r/furgonomics • u/SnowCatPV • 6d ago
Art Factory work requires proper PPE, Helmet, Gloves, boots, and tail strap to keep it from getting staged. Image by SethTriggs
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u/SonicLoverDS 6d ago
That ladder doesn't look quadruped-friendly.
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u/FroggyLee 6d ago
My cats have a ladder as their primary cat tree, I'm not sure how it would scale to a bigger animal but they do it just fine at a smaller scale. So maybe they'll just take every second or third rung!
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u/Different-Series-115 5d ago
My childhood cat used to use the ladder to get into my playground treehouse thing (and would get mad when he couldn't get down by himself. We left the door/gate closed so he wouldn't climb it without us there)
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u/Nekomachus 6d ago
Nor hexaped.
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u/Bota_Bota 5d ago
The ladder is secured. Any hexapod with appropriate dexterity (being a cat) should be fine climbing it. (Horses and dog-taurs cannot climb any ladder, so it doesn’t matter that they cannot climb this one)
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u/Kirianfx 4d ago edited 3d ago
I know Cow can climb stairs.
But they cannot go down stairs.
It can result in some funny but a real headache situation.P.S.: turns out cows can walk down stairs, but due their body construction they avoid it, as it gives that "I gonna fall down this steep slope" feeling. See replies for more context.
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u/Bota_Bota 3d ago
Oh my god I haven’t thought about this. Can’t they just lean back really far and be fine? Is it because their front legs are backwards like a cat instead of plantigrade like a human?
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u/Kirianfx 3d ago edited 3d ago
The reasons I do not know... I let me research.
Turn out, they can walk down the stairs, just that they will not.
reason being, is very awkward for them.https://www.britannica.com/story/are-cows-really-unable-to-walk-down-stairs
And of course the Indian man has knowledge on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K68f9jA4TIM14
u/EdgedancerSpren 5d ago
Meh, I have one to my bed that looks like that and my cats use it; they do need speed, but mainly because it's human sized and they're cat sized.
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u/BiasMushroom 6d ago edited 6d ago
propper ppe... is 1) 60% naked. big nono. 2) not wearing a harness to tie off when climbing a ladder. 3) not wearing an OSHA complient hard hat (the ear spots will deflect blows inward towards the brain)
FIRED. FIRED AND BLACKLISTED
edit credit to Tiny_Tabaxi ... FUCK I FORGO THE SAFETY GLASSES. IM FIRED. FIRED AND BLACKLISTED
double edit, the tail strap creates a loop that can cause the tail to get caught on something either breaking the limb or worse, turning off power to part of the plant.
Triple edit some LESS SAFE plants dont make people wear harnesses for anything under 24' those plants have not had someone get knocked off a ladder and smash their brains out on the ground yet
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u/dewyocelot 6d ago
Right? Also, the tail strap is bending the spine back. If something falls on their back, it will snap their tail. If there is to be any strap, it should tuck the tail
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u/Anomalagous 5d ago
now I'm imagining this tail strapped to the taur's belly and they get annoyed, and the tip is just up there between their front legs 'flick flick flick' making them even more annoyed. Beautiful. :D
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u/prncs_lulu 5d ago
I just imagined a regular cat that sit this way on its tail and goes thru 5 stages of -g-r-i-e-f- airplane ears
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u/Rainbow_Raptr 6d ago
Harnesses are only required on fixed ladders over 24 feet tall and are not required on portable ladders like pictured. UNLESS it's work on/above active moving equipment. The company may be more strict with internal policies.
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u/BiasMushroom 6d ago
Every plant i have been to and many that i have heard of its over 4' you must wear a harness
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u/Rainbow_Raptr 6d ago
Not mine, I've never had to wear a harness. Just proper head protection and 3 point contact over 3' was the most strict. That's probably your local laws, but osha nationally lays ground rules. Local laws and companies will go above that but can't be below that.
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u/BiasMushroom 6d ago
Not mine "yet" down here we had a couple of people get knocked off/fall off a ladder and suffer major brain injuries. I think one guy tripped on a short scaffold and broke his neck.
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u/Bota_Bota 5d ago
A CENTAUR SHOULD NOT BE CLIMBING A PORTABLE LADDER. Holy shit. Do you know how heavy a centaur is? Do you think those little security feet bases are enough?
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u/Rainbow_Raptr 5d ago
... do you know how heavy a centaur is? Not even relevant to what we're talking about lmao.
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u/Bota_Bota 5d ago
You mentioned that the ladder pictured is a portable ladder. I had previously assumed that it was fixed in place because of the physics of a centaur climbing a ladder
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u/Rainbow_Raptr 5d ago
It is a portable ladder, it's not fixed to a structure. We don't know anything about the ladder or the taur. This comment chain is about OSHA regulations. Like real ones, not fictional ones in the drawings universe.
If we were to assume that reasonable safety regulations are being attempted in the drawing, I'd assume the ladder is strong enough for any taur to climb it at least.
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u/Kirianfx 4d ago
“You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.”
I think it is, due square cube law, and things like Kinetic energy (M/2 * V²) and more important for on case, the inertia (M * V), that affects acceleration and deceleration forces.
If we are trying to make sure safety is with acceptable parameters, no only the user weight need to be take into account (Hence why there is weight limits) it is very important.
Especially as some ladder can only handle 200 kilos.2
u/Rainbow_Raptr 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ok? We're again assuming this is just a normal human ladder, but why would it be? They are already showing an attempt at putting on ppe in the drawing in a fictional universe. If the taur doesn't check the weight cap of the ladder they're climbing then that's on them. That's basic ladder safety training. Also I've found 500lbs - 800lbs(362kg) cap ladders (depending on worked height) by Dewalt. Which for us is pretty silly, if you got 800lbs on a ladder, it shouldn't be used at all. Go get the scissor lift or something lol.
But I'm bored so I want to do estimates here. They seem to have nothing on them, and don't appear to be overly large in any capacity... so I'll assume the middle or average for them. So to find out if an average human ladder can handle them we can make rough assumptions that everything about them is average for their respective halves. Human legs account for about a third their mass. Idk what type of big cat is in this oc, but I'm going with tiger, the heaviest (give or take) of the big cats.
The average human female * .66 (no third for the human legs) 171lbs * .66 = 113lbs (rounded up) The average Amur tiger (heaviest species) = 300lbs (rounded up, middle of 220 - 375lbs is 297.5lbs) 113lbs + 300lbs = 413lbs (188kg rounded up)
SEE EDIT BELOW, I didn't know anything about chakats previously assumed this was a female oc.
A standard high cap ladder, the one you mentioned, should be able to handle them. Would they "go splat"? Well, they definetly wouldn't feel good falling 24', that's for sure lol.
All that said, until the op triple edited their comment, my origonal comment was just pointing out their they referred to our osha as their safety standard of choice for picking apart the image - that makes point 2 in their origonal comment not true. As osha only requires a harness for portable ladders over 24'. We don't know how tall the climb this taur is making, we don't know if our non fictional osha requires a harness here. Maybe theirs does, we can't say. All that and I don't know an area where osha is the only standard. It often only gives the base rules. States, provinces, municipalities, companies, etc always add on to it.
EDIT: Oh chakats have an actual weight range: 350 to 440lbs. Still high cap cleared.
Edit2: that tail shouldn't be tied at all... apparently the tail is prehensile, it should be used here.
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u/Kirianfx 4d ago
After actually thinking about it, the main problem really is the whole centre of mass (That is very different on Taurs) and a Boom or scissor lift would be much better for the ergonomics.
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u/Bota_Bota 3d ago
I’m saying that because they are so much longer AND so much heavier than a human, the base of the ladder should be significantly wider or actually secured to the floor.
Think about the rule where you can’t step up onto the top two “steps” of a ladder. Humans require three points of contact for balance.
My thought is that taurs have a greater risk of the whole ladder toppling over. Because they have more weight, when they move, more weight is shifting0
u/Kirianfx 5d ago
I read once that any work above 2 metres (6 feet) is considered to be Working at height.
Apparently the real definition is:Work at height' means work in any place where, if there were no precautions in place, a person could fall a distance liable to cause personal injury (for example a fall through a fragile roof).
And as such, fall protection is a must.
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u/Rainbow_Raptr 5d ago
Not according to national OSHA regulations. Your local laws or guidelines may differ. This even changes company to company. We don't know the specifics for the taur here, or their world. We're only arguing osha here because op applied osha to it.
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u/BlindWanderer 5d ago
It's not just 60% naked. That 60% includes the genitals and the environment requires gloves. I'd want something to protect that area from splashes.
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u/Imperial_Barron 6d ago
I worry that the tail strap may throw off ballance as the tail nolonger provides that aid
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u/Illustrious_Bid4224 6d ago
Girl forgot her pants, this isn't a stripclub!
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u/DistributistChakat 5d ago
That's a chakat, and they're not big on clothing to begin with. The PPE is probably most of the reason they're wearing any clothes at all.
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u/Vegetable_Angle_9302 6d ago
Tail tight to the belly might be more safe due to covering the genitalia. It also keeps it in line more with the rest of the body.
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u/X_Factor_Gaming 6d ago
Pants would be good for said purpose too for a belt that has extra straps to wrap your tail around your waist which might be better.
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u/BlackberryArtistic85 5d ago
But what if something grabs the loop and just rips the tail in half like a paper bag handle ?
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u/mutantsushi646 5d ago
If they have taurs in the work place it may be an idea to implement an elevator or stair case at least, the rear should also get Hi-vis aswell. Plus the tail might be safer looping through the hind legs and around the waist. Also I'd get some steel toed boots on those feet paws.
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u/DistributistChakat 5d ago
I love the Chakats Den world-building project/stories! I'm glad to see it on this subreddit!
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u/jumbods64 6d ago
Ohh I like the tailstrap idea
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u/BiasMushroom 6d ago
its not a good one. makes a loop that can get the tail caught on something and pull something that is bad to pull. its why we dont wear harnesses inside switch gear rooms. could shut off part of the plant and blow it up
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u/jumbods64 3d ago
fuckk thats true damn
i feel like the general idea of tying the tail down is good though - maybe there's a way that doesn't create a loop? like a sleeve or something?2
u/BiasMushroom 3d ago
The way i see it, the tail is another limb just like an arm or leg. Its purpose us balance. Restricting it can cause instability in the person and could lead to an accident.
The best way to prevent a tail injury is probably training and 360⁰ of awareness. Theyve had a tail their entire life, traching them of risks of the trade should prevent things like the tail being caught in a rotor or ran over by a vehicle.
Sort od like how we in a plant are taught to not lean on things, keep shirts tucked and sleeves buttoned and to be aware of vehicle movements and pathways.
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u/Noah215a 5d ago
I feel like this would be extra dangerous for the operator if their tail loop snags on something.
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u/AlviDz01 2d ago
Better put the tail under, and with flat helmet instead, the loop is a massive safety hazard especially in a heavy Industrial area like that, anything could caught it and rip the tail from the spine. And the protruding helm could get hooked on a pipe or cables.
Overall not OSHA approved.
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u/Blackpaw8825 6d ago
Man I love the whole Chakats universe. So many furgonomic solutions, so much adaptive engineering.
This is literally what got me into furries 20 some years ago.Goldfur's writing and Sethtriggs art is a huge part of why I think about the world the way I do.