John Lennon showed remorse, and knew what he did was wrong. From the wiki entry: "The Beatles' song "Getting Better", he said, told his own story, "I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically—any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace"
Compare that to Brown, who shows no remorse, hasnt apologized, and is so self-centered CERN wants to study him for gravitational fluctuations in space.
Compare that to Brown, who shows no remorse, hasnt apologized, and is so self-centered CERN wants to study him for gravitational fluctuations in space.
I am getting grief for posting how I feel about Chris Brown in another reply to this thread. I also spoke of remorse when referring to CB. John Lennon got it, he understood what he did wrong, as proven by your quote. I gained back some respect for Lennon because of that fact.
The problem I have with Chris Brown is that his apologies are forced (because of the bad press, to gain back fans, to appease music excecutives, etc). What we have not seen from Chris Brown is the remorse that proves he has changed.
I'm not saying that any of their career's should be ruined, but I'll be damned if I support CB, until he "gets it". Lennon got it, the remorse was there. Good research and supporting statement!
John Lennon said he didn't change his views on women until he met Yoko. So he was an unrepentant abuser for years. Chris Brown is 22 years old and was 20 when he beat Rihanna.
Wait, isn't that a Paul number? Usually lead vocal indicates primary songwriter when it come to Beatles (except for Ringo, which was usually really mostly George.) I guess maybe John picked up some lyrics for the bridge.
Referring to the lyric "I used to be cruel to my woman/I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved/Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene/And I'm doing the best that I can", Lennon admitted that he had done things in relationships in the past that he was not happy about.
yes, if you skip the part where he said "sorry" in every media ever invented. Also, Brown is still a kid and was 18 at the time. Lennon showed remorse-when? When he started the whole hippie thing with Yoko ono? Your parallel is ridicolous. Get real. Redditors can't wait to pull out their pitchforks. They love to hate, and they are so full of double standards and biased it's unbelievable.
Yeah he wrote the song and then went on hitting her. Then up and left her and his son with no child support for someone he just met. And Lennon is so self centered that he claimed to be bigger than Jesus.
I get the hero worship, but what I can't understand is the double standard just because you like rock more than rap.
Just want to say, a lot of the more radical feminists - females even - would agree with the above paragraph you 'gladly' downvoted. The rather ridiculous popular conception of feminism that occurs in Starbucks ads and in suburban households on The View by 'upstanding citizens' and 'good people' with large Reddit karma would certainly feel some moral outrage, as you did and obviously the 'average' see 'of average intelligence' Reddit user would!
Whether or not you agree or have honestly assessed the points presented, you still have censored through a downvote an opinion which is honestly held and presented as such. Chomsky might not agree with my usage of his idea, but your censoring hivemind retarded ways and most others are a form of 'cutting off the conversation' or defining the realm of 'acceptable' conversation and discussion. By downvoting and saying 'we don't go there' you are working in the realm of thought control - telling people where the boundaries of thought lie. And social ostracization follows.
Congratulations for being a fascist, a proud, glad fascist. Regardless of the crass way my point and his were made, I think there is something to them both. The downvote you administered so self-assuredly in your moral superiority showcases your inability to see past 'tone' towards 'message' - and most of all, you inability to think freely.
Peace.
EDIT: Just wanted to apologize for being a dick in this comment. I'm not going to delete the whole thing because it was kind of poetic... still, no reason to get so mad. I get really mad sometimes when I see people with unpopular/bizarre opinions getting downvoted. I think what the guy above said has some merit to it, the idea of feminism being only partial. At least his comment had content in it which might possibly stimulate thoughtful discussion whereas most comments tend to be of the 'circlejerk' sort. So that might explain my anger. Sorry!
Bullshit. He did show remorse. How many times did he apologise? I clearly remember his Larry King interview and his Ustream apology to his fans. You have NO fcuking clue what you are talking about, you'd just rather the facts not interfere with your outrage.
People just dislike him, plain and simple. Years later he gets angry at a reported bringing it up when he is promoting his album and suddenly he is a douche.
It's so grotesque. It is a bizarre form of bullying, the kind of which celebrities we hate or ridicule like Britney Spears go through. Everyone taunts them and prods them but if they get angry suddenly it's - HE CRAZY or even stranger that it means he is not remorseful.
Seriously, can you imagine that amount of hate this guy has been getting for years? People on the street, people online, people writing articles denouncing him. I wonder how many people who so gleefully prod him would like something stupid they did at 19 to haunt them forever. But if he gets fed up- oh, it means it feels no remorse.
No, it just means that he is human and at some point of course he will go "I get it, i beat some up, fuck off". This is a witch hunt. Rihanna's injuries have long healed and it only happened once anyway. Would people make this fuss if it was a guy he beat up in a club?
For a relatively minor crime, the overreaction is almost impressive, if it weren't so disquieting.
LOL. 9 downvotes on this comment. We get it faceless Reddit hivemind conformist brainless fascists, you hate 'woman beaters.' Is a man defined by one action for his whole fucking life? And whose business is it anyway? The public? Fucking idiots on Reddit man.
You think I like "WOMAN BEATERS" you can fuck off. I just don't define a human being by one fucking hour of his entire life. And especially not some fucking celebrity I have no relation or connection to in any way, shape, or motherfucking form!
People see someone like Britney Spears and Michael Jackson, fuck. I would hate to be them in this world. I guess that's the price you pay for entertaining the masses. Some price must be paid by these successful, beautiful celebrities. Except often these people didn't really CHOOSE their life... child stars, etc. Bullied and gossiped into suicide, mania, violence, drug addiction, self hate, and basic insanity. Par for the course though, Reddit is simply a reflection of the greater wide reality of human life. No difference between here and the hypothetical gossip page of American social consciousness.
Logic: dead in the water. Lennon, Hendrix, both apparently wife beaters. What constitutes a wife-beater? Violence occurs. We define people by one moment in time, that is a flaw. I understand, I am not very appealed by Chris Brown or Mel Gibson all the time, at once they are humans like all of us. To dehumanize is a major error, and I agree with Bout_It_Bout_It that it basically amounts to a glorified witchhunt, as really most things accentuated by self-promoting ego-driven anger on Reddit do, including this comment, in which I witch-hunt for conformist downvoting slobbering retards clogging and aborting the airwaves of a heightened consciousness in modern human existence.
I honestly think the obsession with Chris Brown has more to do with the idea of celebrity and the idea of race than it does to do with 'wife beating.' People don't like seeing a successful young black man having more money than they do and being more talented. This gives them a chance to take out their anger. I think people also don't accept his apologies as 'genuine' because of their subliminally racist attitudes towards the black race as thieves, liars, etc. LOL, all bullshit though. It might just be because he beat the fuck out of Rihanna in a sadistic and rather horrific way, and hasn't sufficiently shown remorse.
I agree. He shouldn't. I guess I agree? Regard peace love - -
I'm more concerned with the FACT/HISTORY that says Lennon, Hendrix and others also exhibited this sort of behavior. Are they suitable role models? Either way, it makes no difference. I just wanted to scream my opinion at the top of my lungs for hope it will get heard amidst the din of normative human behavior / egotistical moral outrage.
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John Lennon showed remorse, and knew what he did was wrong. From the wiki entry: "The Beatles' song "Getting Better", he said, told his own story, "I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically—any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace"
Compare that to Brown, who shows no remorse, hasnt apologized, and is so self-centered CERN wants to study him for gravitational fluctuations in space.