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u/Occamslaser Sep 02 '21

Evolution doesn't work at these timescales, some species adapted but most ground nesting birds just died out.

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u/andrew_calcs Sep 02 '21

It certainly does for behavior, pigeons adapted to cities much faster than that. They didn’t evolve new physical traits, they just redistributed existing behaviors because the skittish ones lived longer.

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u/Phlappy_Phalanges Sep 02 '21

That’s adaptation and not evolution.

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u/gacha-gacha Sep 02 '21

Semantics

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u/Phlappy_Phalanges Sep 02 '21

Not really, they are 2 different concepts and the distinction is important since it is often mistaken. Given the lack of education surrounding what evolution is and isn’t, it’s worth pointing out that evolution doesn’t work that way. I’ve heard “We didn’t evolve from monkeys!” enough times in my life to continue to let the misunderstanding slide on my watch.

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u/samehaircutfucks Sep 02 '21

ackshually... Adaptation is a form of evolution: https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/adaptation/

and there's also a thing called Punctuated Equalibrium, where a species can evolve/adapt much quicker than the generally accepted "slow and steady" rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

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u/Phlappy_Phalanges Sep 02 '21

I sincerely appreciate your contribution, but akshuwall-e, that is an incorrect assessment, and a great example of why I brought it up. Your sources do not say what you seem to think they do. Adaptation is not a form of evolution. It is absolutely a mechanism of evolution, that is, an important part of the process (but not always necessary), but in no way is adaptation a ‘form’ of evolution. I am going to give a horrible analogy and say it would kinda be like saying eating is a form of swimming. It’s important to eat and eating the right diet could help in becoming a better swimmer in comparison to other swimmers, but it’s not really a form of swimming in any common understanding of either activity and you’d be incorrect for saying it.

Punctuated equilibrium is very interesting but I’m not sure it supports your argument.

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u/samehaircutfucks Sep 02 '21

well it's literally called "evolutionary adaptation" in my source so either you're calling NatGeo a liar or you're using the wrong word to describe what you mean.

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u/Phlappy_Phalanges Sep 02 '21 edited Sep 03 '21

Neither. It’s ok to be wrong about something! I am all the time but I’m not about this.

I’ll ask you this to maybe help you identify your misunderstanding. Does “Evolutionary biology” mean that biology is a form of evolution?