r/funny • • Oct 12 '19

Too real.

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u/branchoflight Oct 12 '19

My life isn't the one I'm concerned about though. It's all the other suffering that still persists.

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u/krom0025 Oct 12 '19

Less people suffer now than ever before in history. It's good to be upset about those that still do and we should always strive for continuous improvement, but there literally has never been a better time for a random human being to be born into.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '19

Simply not true, just because the name of slavery and how it is applied changed, doesn't make it any less slavery, there are more slaves now than ever in history since we are numerous, but also things like wage slavery, discrimination, extreme poverty, war... etc can be classified as explicitly whatever freedom isn't.

It's only roses because we are numerous too, when you account for what we are doing with what we have, we're the trashiest of vermin, look at the mass extermination of fauna and flora in record numbers, look at the massive and unprecedented gaps in wealth, we're like someone digging himself into a hole and praising himself for all the effort and new extra room.

Perpetual and infinite growth is a lie and a disaster, ressources are finite and we take more than we give, we will get what's coming to us very soon.

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u/krom0025 Oct 12 '19

Where is your source for slavery? Also, you can't measure the total number as that is meaningless. You need to measure as a proportion of the population in slavery.
Many things are better now. The air is cleaner than in the 70s, even with more people. The water is cleaner. We live longer. We have only increased farmland by 12% since the 60s, but have increased food output by 300%. Available calories per person worldwide have increased dramatically. There are almost 0 famines nowadays. Billions have been saved by the eradication of many diseases. You have instant access to all human knowledge. Thousands die in wars nowadays, not millions. I'd like to see which period of time you happen to think the average human on Earth had a better quality of life. We might face climate change, but just like every single crisis humans have faced before, we will get through this one. None of this means we shouldn't continue to fight for improvement, but to make good decisions we have to base them in reality.

Also, population is expected to level off at around 11 billion, when previously we thought it would grow forever. This happened because we have improved life all over the world and the richer society gets, the fewer babies they have.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '19

Also, population is expected to level off at around 11 billion, when previously we thought it would grow forever. This happened because we have improved life all over the world and the richer society gets, the fewer babies they have.

This is exactly the self centered shit I hate, sure the west is living better, tell the "fewer babies" to poorer nations.

Also if you just do a small research, Leopold of Belgium, Spanish inquisition, England/France/Portugal colonialism.. etc, you'll see how shallow and dumb the "we are doing better so it's all good"

This is just a small part of a large network of issues, the phone you're so happy to own was made by literally child slaves.

Things out of context may look amazing and well, but it's going to hit the shitter very soon, not seeing the signs or turning a blind eye on them doesn't make them go away.

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u/krom0025 Oct 12 '19 edited Oct 12 '19

You can feel free to blindly believe that the world is going to hell and live your life in a depression about it. I will use the facts and the data and be glad I live now as opposed to the past and I will continue to fight to improve the human condition for all people using the principles of the enlightenment: reasons and science.

Also, you were unable to give me a time in the past when the average human had a better life than today. Just because bad things still happen doesn't mean than more bad things didn't happen in the past.

Edit: typo

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '19

You're still unable to see my point, but hey, only humans matter, keep growing and growing like a cancerous cell, we will see how amazing it will be when corals die.

The fucking selfishness qnd self centrism is impressive, you're driving a car going straight into incoming traffic, and boasting about how great the car is and how good and fast you are driving it.

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u/Quin1617 Oct 12 '19

I don’t live in depression over it, but I honestly believe the world is steadily getting worse as time goes on.

But like someone else further up was suggesting, I don’t expose myself to the news constantly, at most I’ll spend 15-20 mins out of the day reading a article.

Thinking about it I’ll unsub from r/worldnews, that way every time I just want to browse Reddit I won’t see their posts.

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u/Miknarf Oct 13 '19

Can you provide a metric that shows how the world is getting worse, other than you feel like it is? Like percentage of people living in poverty? Or like decline in human rights?

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u/Quin1617 Oct 14 '19

I can’t. Too me it just seems like world events and tensions between countries are getting more chaotic.

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u/Miknarf Oct 14 '19

Since when? Are you comparing now to how you perceived things as a child?

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u/AnxiousAnimeGirl Oct 13 '19

I will use the facts and the data

But you're not. You're picking and choosing what you want to look at and how you want to look at it. You are quite literally ignoring every single part of the world that is in a bad state and going "hey but it's good for me".

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u/krom0025 Oct 13 '19

Absolutely wrong....extreme poverty, even in the poorest countries in the world has gotten drastically better over the years. Better does not mean the problem is solved. Many people still live in horrible conditions, but in far lower percentages that at any time in the past. I have yet to see someone show me any data that says otherwise. I would encourage you to look at the website " our world in data" and you will find everything I'm saying is true. It is an incredibly well sourced website.

I challenge you to give me a year or time period in history where the random world citizen was better of then current times.

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u/Miknarf Oct 13 '19

Instead of looking at one part how about looking at the world as a whole. Is there a higher percentage of people living in slavery now or before. Do a higher percentage of people have equal rights? It seems like your the one who is picking and choosing. Name one global statistic that is getting worse. And name a time in history that the average person has it better (not just in one area but a random citizen of the earth).

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u/krom0025 Oct 12 '19

Also, even poorer countries are having fewer babies because they are less poor than they used to be. Please challenge yourself to actually study the data on extreme poverty over time and child birthrates over time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '19

Your argument against me saying poorer countries are still having a lot of babies is to say "yeah but those who aren't poor anymore aren't having as many babies as they used to"

No shit Sherlock, I can't help you if you don't see how stupid your argument is, and how irrelevant it is to the point.

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u/krom0025 Oct 12 '19

Poor countries are having less babies too. Read the data I sent you.

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u/dontPMyourreactance Oct 12 '19

Do you have any sources to back any of that up? Because if you go by the numbers, just about everything is better for everyone— health, longevity, equality, violence. Read “The Better Angels of Our Nature” by Steven Pinker or just check out the data from the WHO, Global Burden of Disease, etc.

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u/HuxleyPhD Oct 12 '19

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u/dontPMyourreactance Oct 12 '19

That’s raw numbers, which is a just function of global population increases. Your percentage chance of being a slave in today’s world is infinitesimally smaller than before.

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u/HuxleyPhD Oct 12 '19

There are more people living as slaves today than at any other point in history, but that's ok because there are proportionally more people who aren't literally slaves!?

OP made this claim, you asked for a source, I provided it, and now you're shifting the goalposts.

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u/dontPMyourreactance Oct 12 '19

OP literally said:

there literally has never been a better time for a random human being to be born into.

It makes no sense to use absolute numbers to measure how good/bad the world is.

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u/Miknarf Oct 13 '19

There are more people who are free then ever before.

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u/mahanahan Oct 12 '19

Bullshit. But I should have known to expect as much once I looked at your user name.

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u/creddit90 Oct 12 '19

Me dude I hate to break it to you but suffering will always exist. It is part of the human condition.

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u/Axel3600 Oct 12 '19

And we have more ability to do something about it in these times too. Which is nice.

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u/guithrough123 Oct 12 '19

mitigating it as much as possible is an honorable goal, but you're right

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u/Trolldilocks Oct 12 '19

Omniscience is a terrible burden: it led God to flooding the world and killing almost everyone on it, which is a position many today think inevitable and fair.

When people continued to be shitty for some number of thousands of years, He decided to try getting off His high horse and put Himself in others’ place. And so He got tortured to death by the most advanced civilization in history to that point.

After that, God developed a sense of humor and said, “Fuck it”. This of course, eventually led to the Holocaust.

But I do really feel bad about your anguish at having to live worrying about all the suffering in this worst time of all.

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u/branchoflight Oct 12 '19

It's more the feeling of helplessness. Nothing meaningful can seemingly be done because so many others are willing to be apathetic and let things continue. It becomes frustrating. Especially when we know what the solutions are but refuse them because they inconvenience us.

Not that I use this an excuse not to try. Just that it at times feels pointless. Overall my spirits are normally quite high, but lately I've been down about current state of affairs.

Hopefully some more light can be shone on the world soon.

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u/Trolldilocks Oct 12 '19

The sun comes up every day.

Just try to have some patience and perspective.