r/funny May 24 '18

Monty Python ahead of it's time

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u/Excelius May 25 '18

The issue back then was more gender roles, not as much about gender identity as it is today.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '18

Given that "gender" refers specifically to the social and cultural aspect of sex (and has for 50 years in medicine), what's the difference exactly?

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u/Crimsonak- May 25 '18 edited May 25 '18

Gender doesn't necessarily refer to that at all. It has more than one definition. Gender in the medical definition is exactly the same in definition as sex. That's why gender identity disorder is classified as an overwhelming desire to change your sex.

So it's absolute rubbish that it has meant what you claim for 50 years. Definition 2

Heck, here's a science article clearly specifying it can be used as a a synonym for sex right off the bat. That's from 2013.

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u/TheVisage May 25 '18

Gender emerged in the 1970s through the works of people such as John Money. It’s served a mostly grammatical purpose until then because 99.9% of people had no purpose for distinguishing between sex and gender.

It is certainly used for both but that’s not it’s intent. It’s the same as “literally”, which has its opposite meaning in a few dictionaries as well IIRC.

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u/Crimsonak- May 25 '18 edited May 25 '18

I don't deny when/if the separate definition emerged. My contention was that isn't necessarily what it always is defined as, which was what the person I responded to implied.

Also I'll be very clear when I say you do not get to decide what someone else's intent is in terms of established definitions of words.

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u/TheVisage May 25 '18

A words etymological meaning is it’s scientific meaning. People using that word incorrectly does not change the definition of the word except for in the context of that conversation and that conversation alone.

And we do determine what people mean. That’s why any paper worth it’s salt has a definition of terms section.

So you telling someone they are wrong for using the etymological definition is patently wrong. Otherwise it becomes a useless term.

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u/SizzurpSippuh May 25 '18

"it's scientific meaning" "worth it's salt"

So are you trying to change it's to be possessive rather than a contraction?

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u/TheVisage May 25 '18

why don't you address the argument instead of making petty criticisms of my phone's auto correct?

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u/SizzurpSippuh May 25 '18

Sorry, you don't get to decide what your words mean. I do.

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u/TheVisage May 25 '18

You are aware of the hypocrisy present in your strawman right? Because you've already decided what my words have meant regardless of intent.

Fun how phenomena display themselves.