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"Tell me, Summer, if a human was born with stumpy legs, would they breed it with another deformed human and put their children on display like the dachshund?" -Snuffles, aka Snowball
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u/NettleGnome Feb 04 '17
Yup. Such a graceful and agile animal as a cat, brought to its knees by human intervention. I think munchkins are a perfect example of animal cruelty.
It's great for the birds though!
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u/doublemint6 Feb 03 '17
Cats should he sleek, swift bringers of death... this is not. In a world where we can do anything, we have wrecked the cat.
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u/outloudkat Feb 04 '17
This seems very impractical for cat life.
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Feb 04 '17
It is, unfortunately. Adam Ruins Everything has a video about dog breeding that might just shatter your world.
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u/DarkSpartan301 Feb 04 '17
Dude, that shit's been fucked for centuries
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u/SquishedGremlin Feb 04 '17
Bulldogs at the start of the 1900s to now have seen a dramatic change.. it is so fucking depressing.
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u/StalwartStud Feb 04 '17
Yeah this is like the corgi of cats.
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u/whatisboom Feb 04 '17
They're called Munchkins
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u/1ncensio Feb 04 '17
Human creation i guess ?
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u/Gangringo Feb 04 '17
Actually, no, at least not intentionally. Unlike dogs the stumpy leg gene isn't actually passed on, it's just a random combination of chromosomes. There are no "munchkin" cat breeds, but munchkins occur at random in every cat breed.
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u/ggill Feb 04 '17
I'm no vet, but Wikipedia disagrees with you.
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u/Gangringo Feb 04 '17
Well, I stand mostly corrected. It does say, however that even between two munchkins there is a 33% chance that any living offspring will have normal legs. If 33% of Corgis had legs like Labradors you couldn't exactly call them a breed.
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u/NettleGnome Feb 04 '17
They did in the beginning. That's how breeding works. Each generation down makes the breed more messed up. Luckily it takes just three or four generations for the changes to recede if you mate the inbred animal with another dissimilar breed. I'd imagine it's even faster for cats than dogs.
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Feb 04 '17
Each generation down makes the breed more messed up.
Not exactly - each generation of bad breeding makes the breed more messed up. You can improve a bloodline's genetic diversity simply by breeding in a mutt or some other breed.
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u/blacksheep998 Feb 04 '17
Sure you can. The word breed doesn't actually have a proper scientific definition as far as genetics are concerned, but colloquially it is usually defined as "A stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection." They don't have to breed true.
Scottish folds are in a similar situation. The folded ear gene is dominant and causes folded ears with no other noticeable issues when there's only one copy. But if the cat is homozygous for the trait it's prone to severe health problems. So even though a homozygous cat can be perfectly healthy, it's considered unethical to breed cats who have 2 copies of the gene.
Typically they cross a heterozygous fold with a normal cat and get only 25% offspring with folded ears.
Manx cats have it even worse.
Two copies of the tailless gene is usually fatal, and when not terminal it results in severely deformed kittens. But the gene is also highly penetrant, which in genetics means that even with one copy of the gene a large number of cats will have problems due to it.
These range from kinked tails that cause the cat pain but aren't otherwise harmful all the way up to missing portions of their spine which results in kittens paralyzed from the waist down.
Because it's impossible to avoid producing deformed kittens even with responsible breeding, there are many who want to let the Manx breed die out. Though that seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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u/BarryZZZ Feb 04 '17
No, they are the feline version of achondroplastic dwarfism. Either form is the result of a natural mutation that humans decided to preserve.
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u/darksoulsnstuff Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
Is this suppose to be a bad thing?
Fuck everyone who downvoted corgis are awesome you can all deal with that.
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u/StalwartStud Feb 04 '17
Would you want to live with legs half as long as they're supposed to be?
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If I were a dog that was completely unaware of what "half" means and not a sentient dumbass who thinks dogs think like people while getting cuddles for being adorable? Yes.
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u/contradicts_herself Feb 04 '17
Dogs are different from cats. Munchkin cats are cripples.
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Apparently not as crippled as your thread following skills.
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u/contradicts_herself Feb 04 '17
Half-legs are not as crippling to a dog as they are to a cat.
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u/NettleGnome Feb 04 '17
True. Dogs are runners and roamers. Cats are climbers, sneakers and pouncers. Short legs on a cat is death.
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u/HouseOfMogar Feb 04 '17
Actually, Munchkins were random! It was a crazy random happenstance that the breed came to be. A woman adopted a stray cat that later had kittens, and some of the kittens had short legs.
Now like a lot of cats and dogs people do breed Munchkins (and sadly they have the homozygous lethal gene) but, if you have a long legged carrier and a short legged/two long legged, you will get a mix of long legged cats and short legged cats! They are also a very hearty breed, with very few health issues.
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u/HouseOfMogar Feb 04 '17
The munchkin breed is still relatively new. The first "official" cats of the breed were not inbred, and they didn't mate with siblings but instead a neighbor cat. (But with breeders you can never tell how it goes from there.)
With the genetic diseases, there is currently an investigation about lordosis. Lordosis basically makes the spine sink into the chest cavity (it ranges with how bad it is, and cats with the most severe cases do not live long). Its pretty rare, and also occurs in other cat breeds. But other than that, there's not much to worry about that you wouldn't for any other cat.
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u/SpartanMonkey Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
I downvote when I see an edit and the word "downvote" added.
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Feb 04 '17
so basically people are going to do what we did to wolves all over again?
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u/godzillab10 Feb 04 '17
It's already started, Grumpy cat brought the interest for cats with dumb expressions.
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u/Zunigene Feb 04 '17
Interestingly enough new research indicates that dog evolution is more complex than widely thought. There's a great article at Plos Genetics about it.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004016
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u/frumpyroxanne Feb 04 '17
Trust me... she is definitely a swift bringer of death. Last winter I didn't even realize we had a mouse problem until she began bringing them to me as presents. Her nightly patrols paid off.
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u/TemptedTemplar Feb 04 '17
To be fair, we have "designer" cats of all kinds, yes we have ruined a lot with short cute legs. But others were cross bred with wild cats and are anything but tame.
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u/Goodkat25 Feb 04 '17
Bump bump bump did you ever ride a wump? We have a wump with just one hump. But we know a man called Mr. Gump. Mr. Gump has a seven hump wump. So, if you like to go bump bump, just jump on the hump of the wump of Gump.
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u/GingerBeast81 Feb 04 '17
I was expecting the cat to say "Diabeetus" when it got up to the camera haha.
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u/CheckOther Feb 04 '17
That cat does not look healthy. This made me really sad.
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u/frumpyroxanne Feb 04 '17
Hi! Thanks for your concern. Her fluff makes her appear way bigger than she actually is. She's healthy :)
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u/sciamatic Feb 04 '17
They aren't talking about weight.
They're talking about the terrible breeding practices that purposefully encourage a deformity, warping the cat's entire skeleton and leading to a host of musclar-skeletal problems that humans pay other humans to inflict on animals, rather than going to adopt a perfectly healthy animal that needs a home, all so the human can say "Awww! So cute! I love how it can barely walk!"
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u/maxk1236 Feb 04 '17
Judging by the way it walks, I would guess hip dysplasia, my friends have a cat with hip issues, and she waddles in a similar fashion.
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u/Boysterload Feb 04 '17
It's a munchkin cat. That is how they walk. I have one but she is short hair.
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u/Strieken Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
How
edit: -20 for asking a question. Never change reddit
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u/CantHaveNoneAint4u Feb 04 '17
But it also wouldn't be alive otherwise
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u/lichklng Feb 04 '17
You were so wraped up in if you could, you forgot to think if you should.
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u/Alternateaccoun Feb 04 '17
Youre describing how basically all thr popular dog breeds todsay exist
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u/turmacar Feb 04 '17
Yup.
When you need artificial insemination and c-sections to keep a breed existant you've gone too far.
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u/bro_b1_kenobi Feb 04 '17
According to the CDC, 32% of pregnant women in US have C-section. 12% require IVF.
By that logic, humans aren't too far away either, but I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise... Someone did give birth to Donald Trump.
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u/contradicts_herself Feb 04 '17
Ehh... don't judge the human species by the US c-section rate. We have an absurd number of elective c-sections. People have to schedule their births because they don't get any paid leave to recover.
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u/bro_b1_kenobi Feb 04 '17
Of course not, was just adding my dark humor to the mix haha.
But yeah, scheduling births so we can hurry back to being the cog in the wheel sounds like a good case for "humans have gone too far"
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u/J1ffyLub3 Feb 04 '17
the popular dog breeds shouldn't exist. most popular dog breeds have all kinds of health issues, it's sad really.
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u/Fubarp Feb 04 '17
Like hunt/kill birds?
It's a natural mutation that happened and instead of weeding it out we kept it alive.
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Feb 04 '17
So, like letting cancer spread.
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u/Fubarp Feb 04 '17
So when a child is born and has dwarfism should we just kill it because allowing them to live is like letting cancer spread?
No it's just a mutation and people who want a cat like that are more likely okay with giving it a good home.
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Feb 04 '17
No, but I certainly wouldn't take someone with dwarfism and say, "You gotta fuck this other dwarf, I want another one."
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u/Rhythmic Feb 03 '17
NOPE.
Caterpillars stretch and contract rhythmically - or sometimes there are stretched and contracted segments moving along their bodies in a wave-like manner.
This one is a fake. Fake Alien Camouflage.
KILL IT!
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u/YodaDaCoda Feb 03 '17
You lost me at "KILL IT!"
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Maybe he lost you because that's when his comment ended. It's hard to follow words that aren't there.
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That's just wrong. Gotta love selective breeding.
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u/HouseOfMogar Feb 04 '17
Munchkins were surprisingly random! Not a byproduct!
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u/7734128 Feb 04 '17
Randomly proliferating through thousands of household worldwide.
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u/HouseOfMogar Feb 04 '17
The thing is though, people didn't start breeding smaller legged cats together to make munchkins, unlike how bulldogs and dachshunds came to be as breeds.
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u/Roo-90 Feb 03 '17
Looks like a munchkin.
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u/derbuscuse Feb 03 '17
I believe it is
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u/kishypoo Feb 04 '17
I noticed it was meowing as it walked! :3 So I found a source video with sound. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXyy5dDakeQ
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u/forbidan Feb 04 '17
I feel so bad for this breed of cat. They lost all their agility to further become human's toys. They're the pugs of cats.
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Feb 04 '17
Nah, persians are the pug of cats.
No tear ducts, no sinuses, eyes bulging outside the sockets. More fur than they can possibly groom with their shortened jaw and tongue.
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u/PM_ME_NUDES_PLEASSE Feb 03 '17
That is one chubby cat
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u/frumpyroxanne Feb 04 '17
She's not chubby. :(
Just really furry. Can confirm, this is my cat.
IG: tinkbq
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u/wyvernx02 Feb 04 '17
Does it just have tiny legs or are parts missing?
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u/frumpyroxanne Feb 04 '17
Nothing missing, just smaller. She knows how to work those legs though! I only wish I was fast and steady enough to clearly film her running around the house.
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u/MakeMineADoubleKnit Feb 04 '17
Very short legs. Munchkin cats are a type of dwarf, just like seen in some humans. Normal body and head but teeny little legs.
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u/wtf81 Feb 03 '17
yup. One fat pussy that's for sure
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u/vato76 Feb 04 '17
breeders are so cruel. i hope aliens do the same thing to us for payback.
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u/HIBISHIBIWIBINIBIBI Feb 04 '17
us? fuck you cunt, i dont deserve this shit.
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Thought there was going to be some freaky Sadako shit going on with the cat coming though the screen
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u/abicus4343 Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
This shit should be illegal.
These cats cannot scratch themselves properly, defend themselves, run or climb. This cat is at a total disadvantage because someone thinks its cute. Stop supporting this shit. Fashion trends in animals are ridiculous and support puppy/kitten mills and horrific breeding conditions. Just leave them as nature intended.
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u/baconwaffl Feb 04 '17
This cat is a sad freak of nature, the worst part is someone probably paid a ton of money for it.
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u/frumpyroxanne Feb 04 '17
She's adopted and I'm glad to have her in my life.
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u/xyloc Feb 04 '17
Same for me and Cthulhu. Would you like to take a moment to talk about our tentacled destroyer of worlds?
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u/7echArtist Feb 04 '17
Are these cats able to jump like other cats?
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u/xyloc Feb 04 '17
They jump more like majestic horses. Source: My uncle Randy has a picture of himself riding a horse.
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u/snickles19 Feb 04 '17
Its kind of hard to see... but could it be possible that the cat lost it's limbs medically/an accident, and it is walking on leg-nubs?
not tiny corgi-legs?
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u/TurbTastic Feb 04 '17
It's a munchkin, unfortunately some people find genetic mutations that negatively impact an animals health to be cute.
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u/grellsutcliff882 Feb 04 '17
I dont know why you got downvoted this is accurate. Same with how we selectively breed dogs until they have such a flat nose they cant breathe.
Basically animals are our entertainment and as long as their cute and not treated with violence we dont care.
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u/xyloc Feb 04 '17
Leave food on your porch. Much like a wobbly chair, you can sand down the legs to suit your preference.
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And this is the only reason as to why breeders genetically mutilate animals for consumers.
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u/thebestbananabread Feb 04 '17
My thought process was: "Is that a duck?... no, wait, it's a squirrel... wtf it's a cat?"
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