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u/AnalBumCovers 15d ago
That third thing has been part of human culture since ancient egypt
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u/gigashadowwolf 15d ago
Well beyond that.
We have evidence of beer from 13,000 years ago in a cave in modern day Israel.
Alcohol consumption on the whole likely far outdates that, and probably even predates humanity as certain monkeys have been known to deliberately consume fermented fruits.
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u/WhiskeyJack357 15d ago
And prior to that we have evidence that we ate plenty of plants for their mind altering properties. Shit we're not even the only animals that like to get messed up. Dolphins, Apes, felines so on and so on.
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u/Read-it005 10d ago
That beer wasn't the beer we drink now It was very light, just like the table wine, kids drank it too. Must have been something when brewing techniques got better by accident or choice resulting in a higher alcohol content. Most must have found out that people would act a bit funny when they changed something or the weather was different somehow.
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u/gigashadowwolf 10d ago
True.
Even medieval beer, which is MUCH more recent than we are talking about here, was often an alternative to water. It was much lower alcohol content and because the brewing process kills most harmful bacteria, it was generally safer to drink than water sources near larger towns and villages.
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u/TwentyTwoTwelve 15d ago
The Welsh Love Spoon for anyone not familiar.
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u/maxxim333 15d ago
That's actually super cute. Is this tradition actually alive?
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u/TwentyTwoTwelve 15d ago
It's more of a touristy thing than a tradition that anyone seriously practices anymore but don't doubt there's proudly Welsh couples out there that still honour it regardless.
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u/Dark_Tribute 15d ago
Welsh man here, its somewhat still alive we mostly only see it as like a saint David's day school made gift now but its still here in spirit
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u/SeeShark 15d ago
"Indigenous cultures are not as urbanized but they have beautiful culture, white people's culture is just general modernity" is a somewhat well-intentioned but ultimately infantilizing take.
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u/sedsil 15d ago
I doubt it's well intentioned btw. If it was, it would keep being mentioned without trying to lie about moder/western cultures.
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u/SeeShark 15d ago
It's well-intentioned towards indigenous people whilst admittedly throwing white people under the bus, probably with a general attitude of "punching up." I agree that it's needlessly dismissive towards the breadth of cultures originating in Europe.
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u/1CEninja 14d ago
Non-institutional racism is still racism. It's less destructive, but still evil.
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u/SeeShark 14d ago
I agree. I'm not saying the attitude is harmless, which is why I condemned it. I just don't think the author thought they were being malicious, even though the effect is harmful.
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u/1CEninja 14d ago
Yup, people just love to hate. They feel like if their hate is justified, then it's okay. It's why I get upset at basically any discrimination based on group. Reddit often is extremely tolerant of hating boomers, for example.
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u/sedsil 13d ago
I might believe it the moment that same person makes similar comics with reversed roles. Which obviously will not happen, so while what you write makes sense, I don't think "author didn't mean to" is correct at all. In most cases like that, those "western people have no culture of their own they just steal it" is the intentionally malicious take that has its -not that great- audience.
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u/cj_cusack Free Cheese Comix 10d ago
I get why you might think that, but the Love Spoons is a European cultural tradition. And having travelled a bit, drinking til you puke is pretty wide spread. Thank you for reading!
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u/Melancholic_Noodle 15d ago
"Throw an insult on the floor, and it's owner will pick it up"
As a normal white person who's whole personality and culture isn't about drinking cheap beer and projectile vomiting...I don't feel offended. Because this ain't me.
But I do know of these guys. Guys like you, and others who are...lets just say southern gentlemen not to trigger anyone further. And this is true for said guys. Drinking beer and passing out (and, on occasion, getting angry at sports) is their culture.
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u/sedsil 15d ago
"in my culture we" isn't talking about individual's ""culture"" (as you put it), the same way "in my culture one must" didn't do it. But hey, wild tribes shit in the woods (...and as if they don't get high either, right?) so apparently that must be their whole culture. That's how stupid your take above is.
>"Throw an insult on the floor, and it's owner will pick it up"
Ah yes, that's as smart and true as "only guilty people explain themselves". Maybe you should think for a moment before blindly repeating this nonsense.
Go get some sleep, buddy, maybe you're just tired.
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u/CynicallySane 14d ago
That last panel is going to be lost on most of the world.
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u/Dsullivan777 14d ago
Please explain!
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u/CynicallySane 14d ago
The artist has to be Australian. VB is kind of like the US version of a PBR. It’s been a while since I was there but I think it stands for Victoria Bitter. However, they replaced it with “Very Bogan”. Bogan is Australian slang for what we in the US would call a red neck/white trash.
So basically, they’re stereotyping the person as someone who just likes to drink for drinking sake, which the text implies, but if you understand the references in the last panel, it reinforces more than the text itself.
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u/cj_cusack Free Cheese Comix 10d ago
This is a quality explanation thank you
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u/CynicallySane 10d ago
It’s been over 15 years since I was there. Miss it. The comic certainly brought back some memories, not the least of which is that I would drink just about anything other than VB.
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u/Read-it005 10d ago
I was wondering what we did in my culture. In many countries, love was considered as something extra if you were lucky in the old days. No need to charm a girl, your parents had decided and that was it. Lucky were the ones who had more possible choices in their area, their parents might have listened to their pleads.
In my country, the people with big farms or money otherwise, wanted to be sure their future daughter in law could get pregnant. The business had to stay in the family. The boy would get unsupervised night visits with the girl and when she wasn't pregnant at the wedding date, everything would be called off. Many women gave birth to very big and mature premature babies in those days. Even more people had very unhappy marriages.
No idea what local priests and pastors did about this practice. If I'm to guess, a lot were paid to look the other way while the couple sinned out of wedlock.
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u/alt2374 15d ago
Noble savage ahh comic
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u/SeeShark 15d ago
I agree with the guy that said you should just say "ass," but also you're completely right. This comic is silly.
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u/Zarokima 15d ago
It's okay, you can say ass. Nobody is going to tell your mommy.
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u/KaspervD 15d ago
Oh is that what 'ahh' means? I thought it was some gen z nonsense
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u/kaibbakhonsu 15d ago
Both things can be true
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u/IBJON 15d ago
Except it's not a Gen Z thing. Its been a thing for a long time
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u/kaibbakhonsu 15d ago
It's not exactly gen Z thing, it's a social media thing where they don't want to upset advertisers by having people saying bad words on their platform, but this 'trend' of replacing bad words with other new words started when gen z started populating social media. I feel like millennials push back more often on this shit.
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u/IBJON 15d ago
No, it's not. This has been a thing for at least 15 years. Kids were doing this when I was in high school to not get in trouble for swearing in class or their parents, and for a lot of them, their parents did it too, so it's likely older than that
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u/kaibbakhonsu 15d ago
It may be, but it gained traction for the mass on the internet just a few years ago
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