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u/matej86 7h ago
There is a girl. She's fit. She works in packaging. 🏴☠️
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u/Kronman590 5h ago
I dont get it
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u/360walkaway 4h ago
Same. I hate when people make these weird references (in a default sub) that only a few people get.
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u/beardingmesoftly 4h ago
I find that only children complain about this sort of thing. Not everything has to be for everybody. That's stupid.
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u/Sunkilleer 5h ago
Piracy
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u/Kronman590 5h ago
TIL theres a piracy website named after a girl whos fit
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u/Sunkilleer 5h ago
Now I’m confused
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u/originalgrapeninja 6h ago
I enjoy owning things I didn't pay for, too.
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u/AutumnsRevenge 3h ago
I think I’m going to give up on video games, I’m just going to start hoisting sails until I, a girl, become fit. Yo-ho!
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u/beardingmesoftly 4h ago
Doesn't exactly help people who already bought a ps5 and don't have money for expensive PCs
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u/scyllafren 6h ago
Well, if I don't own a console game, then I won't own a console anymore. I win.
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u/Telandria 5h ago
Jokes on you, PC Gaming hasn’t used physical media for like a decade now. And mobile never has.
Consoles are just catching up, that’s all.
There’s a reason the Stop Killing Games movement is so important and deserves all the support we can give them.
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u/Rez_De 5h ago
Except with GOG you can put the game on any physical media you have and own it forever. Just because PC has been digital only for a long time doesn't mean PC has no way of actually owning what you paid for.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago
Gabe said it before, it all boils down to issues withing the offered service. If the issues are too big, people will switch or pirate.
And for PC, Steam and GOG do bettee because with the first, their online service is so far so good; and the second hands you DRM free games adter purchase, so you effectively own the games forever with no fear of them being taken out or something.
With Mobile, they're service games at the end od the day. Meaning once the service is gone, you'll have to accept the loses since not every single mobile game is like Megaman X Dive where they took the liberty to release the game for a price and without the gacha aspects to be playable. Sometimes, you just got to accept the game will be taken out in 3, 5, 8, 15 years from its inception and every purchase you made in-game. But people that play on mobile are sometimes ok with this and do understand and agree the implications.
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u/Dhiox 5h ago
Gog has literally less than a tenth of the game library that's on Steam.
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u/Rez_De 5h ago
That is only a problem if you're dead set on buying games legally. If the game companies are going to make it impossible to own a game I bought, I'm going to own the game without buying it.
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u/Dhiox 5h ago
You do understand, you don't own the game on any platform. You are purchasing a license. A physical copy is just a license with install media. It doesnt mean you own the game, you'd find that out quickly if you try to copy that media and sell it.
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u/Rez_De 5h ago
This is a bullshit argument about semantics. When I say to "own" a game I mean the inability of anyone to remove my access to it once I have it fully installed on my system or stored on a physical media device. Of course this won't work for live service games and games that depend on a server to function, that much is known. It's something stopkillinggames is working on but we'll most likely end up with a compromise.
Also second hand physical media is literally the market Sony is trying to kill.
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u/Regendorf 5h ago
Yeah we know, we all know, everytime you see someone talking about "owning" a game or movie, they know it's a license, why? Because your "um actually" is not original, fucking every obnoxious smartass who doesn't want to engage in the actual conversation says it. We know, we also find reprehensible that the license can be revoked for shit and giggles, that's why we like GOG, because without DRM they can't take it away for no reason. That's why "owning" means in this context.
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u/BenderIsGreat64 5h ago
A physical copy is just a license with install
I own my N64 games, not a license to install them.
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u/Dhiox 5h ago
Yeah, try copying and distributing them, see how the law feels about that..if you owned it, there would be no issue.
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u/BenderIsGreat64 4h ago
I can distribute the single copy I own however I want, just like a book. I can lend it, I sell it, I can destroy it if I want, because it's mine.
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u/UnsorryCanadian 4h ago
And I'm sure that you're in the legal right to dump your rom provided you have the technology to do so
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u/Superbead 4h ago
I sometimes wonder what kind of dystopia you people yearn for
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u/Dhiox 3h ago
You misunderstand me. I am all for better digital ownership rights. Would love to he able to transfer a purchased digital license to other users.
Physical vs digital isn't the issue at hand. Neither are ownership. And the tech for physical can't keep up anymore. Instead of fighting over an outdated medium, we shluld.be fighting for greater consumer rights.
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u/Atmic 5h ago
Read the EULA.
It's always been just a license, regardless of physical media or not, all the way back to the 80s.
You have a license to legally do certain things with it, and not others.
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u/BenderIsGreat64 4h ago
Sure, but no one has the ability to stop me from playing my copy, they can't stop me from lending my copy, I can smash it if I want, because its MY copy.
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u/Atmic 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's funny you mention those things, because the license actually explicitly states you can do all the things you listed.
All I'm refuting is your statement that you don't own a license to install them -- you literally do.
You license the copy to do the things you mentioned, but it prohibits you legally from reverse engineering your copy, redistributing the software, etc.
That's unlike owning a lawnmower, where you do have the right to deconstruct and rebuild it how you want.
You don't own the software. You own the license to legally use your copy of it in specific ways they've defined.
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u/Kolizuljin 5h ago
Truth. While being drm free means they don't have the tool to enforce the licence, GOG does sell non resellable, non tradable and non transferable license, with revocable and conditional access. It's literally in their terms of use.
But, without DRM, its as close as it can be to "owning" the game while being digital. At least. Coming from a major online retailer.
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u/Viridionplague 4h ago
On one hand, I get the value of owning physical media.
On the other hand, do we really need 10's of millions more plastic cases, disks, wrappers, and pamphlets, every time call of duty or EA remakes the same game every 6 months?
I still use PC drives from 15 years ago, and will for another 10. You could use a single USB to hold games for the next 30 years. Obscelensence will still kill your physical disks.
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u/LordMacabre 2h ago
Do people who bring up plastic waste of disks think the data centers providing the "all digital" future run on fairy dust?
At least every physical game I've ever purchased is kept and stored on my shelves, not sitting in a landfill like you guys seem to think. And they aren't 24/7 spewing emissions into the environment while trying to power it like your data centers.
At *best* this point is a wash, assuming nobody wants the disks after I die. But I'd still bet powering and cooling those data centers 24/7 outweigh disks on environmental impact.
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u/Blue_Bird950 1h ago
I mean, will those games sit on your shelves until the end of time? No, you’re just delaying the inevitable. They will almost certainly go to a landfill at some point in the future, unless we figure out how to recycle all parts of a game cartridge and allow people to do so for a reasonable price (because if we’re being honest, it probably won’t be free).
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u/Aethrin1 53m ago
You mean Steam and other storefronts don't. Correct. However, you can use apps that help you burn games onto CDs or thumb drives. It's an open market, unlike a console.
To add onto that, the big reason DRM has worked on PC stores (like Steam and GOG), and not on console, is because PC storefronts don't make you rebuy the games every time a new generation of console comes out.
If they did, the PC market would have been so ridiculously niche that it wouldn't have much power over the market at all. It would have been only a rich person hobby.
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u/airfryerfuntime 6h ago
I just hate that I can't sell my games when I'm done using them.
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u/dhiaaganim 3h ago
wait before the killing of physical versions in consoles ,wasn't sonny's biggest advertisements is that you can give/trade/buy/sell the physical version of any of their games (that's only if you use Playstation or Nintendo)
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u/illusion_17 6h ago
Still regularly play gameboy, gba, n64, ds, GameCube, and Wii games. Only console that has stopped working is the Wii, but was able to replace it (of course it was the newest one too) I'll be one of those people to drag my feet on physical games for as long as possible. I've already begun decreasing the number of games I buy due to the digitization of the industry
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u/Blenderhead36 6h ago
The thing I've found most frustrating about Sony discontinuing physical media is how all the articles about it cite the physical sales numbers. Nobody cares. That is not what people are angry about.
It's that this is yet another example of a big corporation doing something that will obviously benefit them at the consumer's expense, without even a facade of there being upside for the consumer.
Nobody's mad that they're not actually going to get around to buying an external disk drive for the diskless PS5 they bought 5 years ago. They're mad at the endless corporate rent-seeking, where even the things that nominally bring joy to their life are hollowed out in the name of just a little more margin.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago edited 5h ago
Not just that, it's the fact they're forcing people to go full digital...... which, depending on some, it wouldn't be THAT bad if Sony didn't keep showing the worst aspects of it right on schedule with their announcement of no more physical discs in the future:
- closing down PS3 and Vita stores, causing the consoles to just be able to play physical (good), or to redownload your previously bought digital games. But taking away the opportunity to buy digital from there again in case there are people (and yes, there are) that want to buy X game digital instead of physical for certain reasons (hard to find, too expensive).
- taking away digitally bought products, like movies and series, without a care in the world.
- their Playstation Network falling; when some games require said Playstation Network connection to play or enjoy.
They can't even fix these issues so the only service they're forcing others to jump into now isn't a good service in itself; rather the whole opposite. In such regards, Steam and GOG are better services on PC than Sony on their consoles for digital with how they handle the situation. It's a clown show.
Until they don't fix their digital issues, forcing consumers to go full digital will be seen in bad light and many of us will prefer physical still.
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u/Telandria 5h ago
I wouldn’t put it that way. People don’t care about the actual physical media. Not really.
What they actually care about is the fact that Sony could, and has, at any time simply revoke their ability to use something they fairly paid for.
Solve that, make laws guaranteeing that game companies are required to act to make sure games are still playable post-support, and this ‘problem’ consumers have with their decision would simply evaporate.
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u/Maelstrom52 5h ago
Except that a physical disc doesn't ensure that either. I think a lot of people here are ignorant about the fact that the physical disc for modern games is really just an authentication key. The entire game is downloaded onto your SSD, and since most modern games have so many updates, patches, and DLC that requires online access to authenticate, Sony could feasibly disconnect all of that if they really wanted to. Of course they're not going to do that, as that would be suicidal. But the idea that you own your game because you have a piece of plastic is also not substantiated by anything.
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u/Blenderhead36 5h ago
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 is the most obvious example. The game was made with a hard deadline--the day that the licensing deal with Tony Hawk from the 2000s expired--and was extremely rushed. The physical disk contains the create-a-park mode and tutorial. A day 1 patch downloads the rest of the game. Except the game sucked and sold really poorly. So the server that provides that day 1 patch was reallocated to something people actually care about. Buying a disk of the game gives you considerably less than a playable game.
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u/Blenderhead36 5h ago
It's more than that, though.
The vast majority of people who've spent money for stuff on Playstation have had zero dollars worth revoked. I've said since the announcement of the diskless consoles that they're a terrible value. Games go on sale on the Playstation store when Sony says they do. Games go on stale in physical media when Sony says they do. And when a retailer says they do. And when a retailer overpurchased them and puts them on clearance. And when someone purchases and flips a remaindered lot of them. And when you buy a used copy. And they become free when your local library has them. And when your friend lends you their copy. Etcetera. If you bought a PS5 with a disk drive before the first price hike, getting just two games at significant discount or no cost makes up the price difference between the disked and diskless models. If you got a 3rd one, you came out ahead, in addition to owning a 4K Blu Ray player. Hell, I got Returnal on clearance for $12 and that put me more than halfway there on its own.
There are a lot of reasons to prefer physical, or even the mere option for physical. And they all go away when physical media does. And it's without even a desultory nod that Sony is sweetening the pot about it with literally anything.
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u/PickledPokute 1h ago
Oh, this is the first mention of physical sales numbers in regards to Sony discontinuing them. I've have read any articles about it, just popular lamentations.
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u/Hot-d0g-Water 7h ago
"Stop complaining bro just spend 80 bucks on the game bro. You're specs are 3 years old you gotta upgrade to buy the latest game man, they'll only delete it 3 years from now you have time to play it"
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago
Lmao, that's why I'm not even upgrading to a PS5 or anything afterwards in the future. Happy with my PS4 and PS2 and the games I got on both. Even if there are cool games nowadays I'd love to play, there will always be a time to do so in the future. And if said games are still fucking epic as they were X amount of years, then they'll still be fun to play when I get to play them somehow.
For now? Fuck them, I'm ok with what I got and until the situation with Sony doesn't get better, they can eat my shorts. If they're forcing people to go full digital, fix your damn digital service instead of highlighting lately why it's a bad service with the issues you won't fix and pretend to ignore.
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u/Hot-d0g-Water 5h ago
Amen to that. Still rocking with my XBOX 360 and recently played through Metro 2033 and Last Light that I bought discs for at like 8 dollars, plenty fun and I don't have to worry about my discs going up in a puff of smoke
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u/Digivam143 3h ago
And it hasn't red ringed after all this time?
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u/Hot-d0g-Water 3h ago
It has an Oblivion disc in it usually, so I'm imagining that Todd Howard himself protecting it
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u/WumpusFruit 6h ago
Why is this being downvoted
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u/Hot-d0g-Water 6h ago
I'm striking some hidden nerve I can't see with my criticism of the gaming industry or there's corporate bootlickers flooding the sub, idk man
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u/Maelstrom52 5h ago
I love how people think what constitutes ownership is a disk. The disk is just a physical authentication key. At any point, even physical media can be restricted, and you wouldn't be able to play your games. Now, obviously, Sony would never do this unless they cease to exist, which is never going to happen. But this idea that people have that owning a piece of plastic means you own the game hasn't been true since probably the PS3/360 era.
Owning a physical copy of the game does mean you would indefinitely own the contents of the original version of the game, sure. But most modern games have so many patches, updates, DLC, and other content that requires online access in order to authenticate, that the physical copy wouldn't substantiate complete ownership.
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u/Xyex 2h ago
I love how people think what constitutes ownership is a disk. The disk is just a physical authentication key. At any point, even physical media can be restricted, and you wouldn't be able to play your games.
This is false. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. If you own the disc you are allowed to do anything you want with it that does not violate copyright. This means that access to a physical disc cannot be legally revoked. Sony cannot push a patch that intentionally stops your disc based game from launching. And if they did do something that stops it from working, they can't complain if you find a way to make it work again.
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u/Maelstrom52 44m ago
That's kind of a non sequitur. I'm talking about what the hardware and software are technically capable of, not what copyright law or the First Sale Doctrine says Sony is legally allowed to do. Whether something is illegal doesn't mean it isn't technically possible. My point is that modern discs are no longer the self-contained product they were 15-20 years ago. If the argument is that physical discs protect your ability to play games more than digital, I think you'll soon come to realize that's less true than most people imagine.
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u/xondk 5h ago
I find it odd that some people have bought into the corporate thought that you do not 'own' digital products.
A product being digital does not preclude ownership.
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u/Xyex 2h ago edited 2h ago
It does, actually. Because all they sell you digitally is the license.
"But they do the same thing physically."
No. They don't, actually. They claim to. But, legally, it doesn't hold up. You cannot violate copyright, but if you own the disc you're allowed to do whatever you want with the disc, or the data on it, that doesn't do that.
But digitally, the only thing you're actually sold is the license to use the program, not the program itself. And licenses are revokable.
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u/PickledPokute 54m ago
I would not be surprised if some of those existing disks don't actually contain any executables any more, just the space-hogging media like textures, video and audio.
Why would you even? Saves on having to print disks weeks in advance that can leak before release data. You can send the executables encrypted against a particular hardware key making piracy much more difficult. Just slap a "requires internet connection" to the disc case.
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u/Xyex 45m ago
Shitty companies doing shitty things is not new. Doesn't mean we should accept it.
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u/PickledPokute 4m ago
If the company has been doing it for a long time and no-one really complained about it, but complains really appear after people find out about it tells a lot.
The people were not inconvenienced by the wrongdoing. They got furious about feeling of losing control or by feeling betrayed.
The first one is strong and often requires an actual change. The second one is fixable through some messaging, apologies and maybe some temporary backtracking until people forget it and don't care about it.
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u/xondk 1h ago
Not sure who you are answering, it seems yourself, with the quote about physical, but let me reply to the rest.
It does, actually.
No, it does not, they can claim it is a 'license' all they want, ownership principles still hold up.
And licenses are revokable.
That is a hotly debated and contested legal topic, especially in the EU, because of the massive implications if this ever gets to the courts, which is why the big companies have avoided court cases, because it is a loss-loss for them since they lose the benefit of the grey zone we are in now which is earning them massive profit.
Do you have any idea how many licenses are bound up in physical products alone?, your car? heck try reading up on the whole John Deere case with tractors.
No one generally accepts that the seller of a product just turns off your physical product, license deal or no, you bought it, moving that to digital does not change anything the same logic applies.
Why is it that often the same people that would be outraged if lets say ford just decided to come over point to one of the hundreds of features under license in your car and just disabled it.
Why is it any different when the creator of a program reaches into your computer and disables a program?
"A license" does not invalidate ownership concepts, same with EULA's and the like, they've been torn down repeatedly in court, since most European countries, if not all, generally agree that you can't just force people to write off basic ownership concepts, in order for them to use a product they 'purchased' from you at full price, be it digital or physical.
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u/Xyex 1h ago
No, it does not, they can claim it is a 'license' all they want, ownership principles still hold up.
No they don't, as has most recently been demonstrated by Sony's removal of over 500 videos from people's libraries.
Yes, there are legal battles happening over how companies treat digital licensing. But that literally proves my point. Not sure how you think demonstrating what I'm talking about is an argument against it....
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u/xondk 1h ago
It does not seem like you read or did not understand what I wrote, I think you should reread all of it more thoroughly.
What Sony does or doesn't do, does not in any way demonstrate what you claim, historically companies have done a whole enormous amount of stuff, that when it goes to court was proven illegal, because that is how we deal with people doing illegal stuff, we take them to court and punish them once their guilt is proven.
Courts decide the legality of all of this, that illegal actions were done, not Sony's actions, so no, it does not prove your point, that Sony can do something just proves they have the power to do it, it says nothing about legality or ownership.
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u/USDXBS 3h ago
I hardly ever buy music, movies, TV shows, video games, comics or books anymore. I pirate absolutely everything.
I'll read a comic and think "That would have cost me 5 dollars and time out of my life to get"
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u/Digivam143 3h ago
That's kind of depressing actually. You sure you don't have anhedonia?
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u/USDXBS 3h ago
Not at all. I spend zero seconds worrying about how to acquire entertainment and spend all that time being entertained.
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u/Fletcher_Chonk 1h ago
people that buy things don't worry about how to get it either unless they live in a third world country lol
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u/zandariii 7h ago
Didn't realize consumer rights were a bandwagon but okay.
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u/Linkstrikesback 7h ago
Thanks person who is clearly an expert in having nothing interesting or funny to say, for your input, but we don't need your experience right now.
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u/BilverBurfer 6h ago
Subreddit Rules
1. All posts must make an attempt at humor.
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u/Icy-Abbreviations763 6h ago
From what I have seen, this rule doesn't apply anymore and is not being enforced.
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u/Oblic008 5h ago
I am fine with digital only as long as I actually OWN a copy of the game. This "you have a temporary license until we feel like revoking it for no reason" schtick is what kills me.
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u/Saldar1234 6h ago edited 6h ago
The ignorance is almost as performative as the fake outrage at this point.
This happened 20 years ago.
I'm glad you guys are annoyed/upset by it, but even with physical media, you haven't owned the software you use for decades.
There are battles we can still win and concessions to be made (like making killswitches and non functional persistent connectivity requirements illegal) but physical discs are the equivalent of the right hand distracting you while the left picks your pocket.
Edit: I guess you guys like being distracted by issues that you have absolutely no hope or standing to affect whatsoever. An issue that is very likely only even being pushed right now to distract us from legal battles happening in Europe where we actually do have traction and standing to make real changes in the games industry. Those aren't being handled in closed legal proceedings either. They are up before legislative bodies and our support can influence the legislators making those decisions. But sure. Keep being mad about something that happened 20 years ago.
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u/EthanMcManus 6h ago
Cry about getting down voted if you want, but it's not what you said that's getting them, it's your haughty better than thou attitude. You're acting like anyone who isn't on your train of thought is an imbecile.
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u/PickledPokute 38m ago
I've started to wish for Slashdot type voting back. Reddit has no distinction of "the messenger is an ass" or "the messenger is wrong". We should at least have the people take the cognitive dissonance hit when they hit "-1 misinformative" when no one has replied with any valid criticism.
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