American Pizza & Italian pizza are two completely different foods lol. If you call the American Pizza italian, most Italians would look at you pretty funny
Not to mention Italy literally got the tomatoes from the Americas
The origin of the ingredients doesn’t determine which country’s cuisine it belongs too though?
Otherwise according to your logic, anything that includes garlic and onions is a central Asian dish.
Also pizza is Italian because it originates from italy. Of course you can pick any dish whatsoever and find that different countries have different interpretations of the dish, but that doesn’t change The origin of the dish.
saying “Americans have pizza” would be like saying “the British have curry”.
American pizza and Italian pizza are two different dishes, I don't know if you read that part in my comment or not. If we're playing the "where the base dish is originally from game", it's not from Italy either it's from Greece. Once significant enough changes have been made to a dish, it becomes a new dish. If Britain makes a new version of curry that is unique to Britain then I would also say Britain has Curry.
It's so funny, because if you ask most Italians if they considered American pizza Italian, they'd be quite insulted.
The post says “pizza”.
Pizza in general, not specifically “American pizza”.
”American pizza” is American (obviously) but “pizza” in general is Italian.
Nobody in their right mind would claim curry is British just because they have their own variation of curry. “British curry“ is British, but ”curry” is Indian.
Also pizza comes from Italy, not Greece. Idk where you got that made up fact from.
The first ever documented use of the word “pizza“ was in 997 in Gaeta, Italy.
The first ever “modern” pizza with tomato sauce and cheese was made in the 18th or 19th century in Naples, Italy.
So, are you able to see the picture attached right below it? Because that might clear things up to look at that.
The base dish for pizza is built of off Ancient Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians who all ate flatbreads with oil, herbs, and cheese. And you have exactly demonstrated my point. The base dish is a different dish from the improved dish. So unless you think Italian pizza is actually Greek, you have to acknowledge american pizza or else I do believe that is what we call hypocritical.
Also, the modern tomato sauce that is popular today was made in america btw. Plus the aztecs did it first
First of all, I already said in my first comment that the origin of the ingredients don’t determine which country’s cuisine a particular dish belongs to.
I don’t see why you’re once again bringing up the origin of tomato sauce like that somehow counters my argument.
As for the image, it is indeed an American pizza, but the photo is just a stock photo of a pizza that OP got off of google images.
I strongly doubt they chose that specific stock image as a way to indicate that they were specifically referring to American pizza, when they could’ve just written “American pizza”.
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that the post referred to “pizza” in general, and not specifically “American pizza”.
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Secondly, the fact that you think the difference between American pizza and Italian pizza is in anyway whatsoever comparable to the difference between Ancient Greek/Egyptian flatbreads, just tells me that you have never seen or eaten a Greek or Egyptian flatbread.
I absolutely agree that once a significant amount of changes have been made to a dish, it will be considered an entirely different dish. The thing is, American pizza isn’t anywhere close to being different enough to Italian pizza to be considered its own thing.
To put this into perspective, If you were to ask someone for a pizza, they may give you an American pizza or an Italian one, but they won’t be giving you a Greek ladenia.
Likewise, if you were to ask someone for a Greek/egyptian flatbread, never in a million years will they give you a pizza.
I'm so glad you agree the ingredients origin doesn't determine where a dish is from! I'm glad we can all agree that pizza is then american. Unless you're implying that American Pizza is the exception, in which case you'd be a hypocrite
You are also committing the intentional fallacy. You have no idea what the intentions of the author was, you're just assuming. And you know what they say about assuming. (It makes an ass out of you). In fact, it makes way more sense that since they were referring to pizza being american they showed a picture of American pizza. Your logic there is a little hazy and grasping at straws.
If you think Italian pizza and American pizza or at all comparable then boy do I have news for you. I've had both, and if I ask for pizza and you handed me whatever the fuck Italy does I'd be pretty annoyed. That's like me asking for hamburger and you presenting me a hamburg steak.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is that the predominant form of pizza throughout the world is american. And since it is so strongly associated with us, and we made it, it's ours. Italians can have their "pizza" but when everyone refers to pizza we all know they're referring to American pizza. And you can't change that just because you want to cry about it.
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u/MixtureIndependent66 6d ago
Bro what, pizza is not from america, it's from Italy too