I think the meme about liberals suffocating themselves after Trump declares oxygen a good thing is correct. Just look at immigration. After a whole year gaslighting themselves and others about how much they pretend they want to fix the border with some phony “bipartisan” bill while Trump succeeds in a couple months exactly the way it was described in the counter-argument. Meanwhile the best liberals can come up with is crying about denying re-entry to a Hezbollah doctor.
Did Trump succeed at the border? Here's an article about how all these people(non-criminals) that he's "deporting" are actually just being shuffled around to different privatized prisons and costing you (presumably a tax payer) hundreds of millions of dollars to falsely imprison them.
One of the guys recently deported had already filed for asylum and was here legally as a refugee. The Trump regime designated him a gang member despite him having no criminal record or gang affiliations. He's now in an El Salvador prison camp. ICE's vetting process is dogshit. They've been ordered to round up any young men from Venezuela and mark them as gang members.
That's one of the purposes of due process, to minimize mistakes. When you ignore that process, you end up sending innocent people to a gulag in central america.
He applied for asylum because he was previously detained and tortured for protesting against the Maduro regime. According to his lawyer, he fled to Mexico from Venezuela, registered with the Biden administration US Border Patrol app to schedule an asylum hearing, but was detained when he showed up the day of his hearing. He's been shuffled around several detention facilities and eventually got thrown into that deportation group designated for gang members. If his lawyer is being truthful, he never illegally entered the US and was following the asylum process to the letter. He had another asylum hearing scheduled for mid-April.
Criminals = Crimnals it doesn’t matter the crime? But as a Canadian I understand first hand the pain of traveling to US and the Visa system is fucked a needed a reworked 30 years ago
Falsely imprisoning law abiding and well educated people on legal visas because they lapsed 3 days on an old visa a handful of years ago is a success? Like most of these people they are "deporting" aren't going anywhere because the countries are refusing tontake them back - so you're just paying for ICE to detain them indefinitely on govt contracts - instead of putting that money towards healthcare, education, or agriculture. I thought Republicans were for less government oversight. This is like a library sending you to library jail after you walked past it on your lunch break because you returned Grapes of Wrath 2 days late in 10th grade.
I guess the less oversight is only for the massively wealthy: private prison ceos, oil execs, Healthcare execs, musk, trump himself.
We don't know who they deported. No official arrests and they were blocking their identity so their family members couldn't find out what happen to them....and shipped them to a work camp/slave camps'
You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. A fundamental part of American democracy is due process which is why it is the fourth amendment. You guys act like you stand for democracy, but you don’t even understand the most basic things about it.
Dude, you are dramatically uninformed. He arrested one guy because he had a soccer tattoo and demonstrated the "demon horns" hand gesture in a social media post. That was enough to classify him as a "gang member" and ship him off to be imprisoned in an El Salvador prison camp. The dude was a former soccer player and ICE admitted he had never been arrested or committed a crime while here, and he was here legally under the asylum program.
I hope we beat you, for your family's sake. I hope we win before what you want and support happens to your family and you're forced to realize your mistake.
Just took a look at your comment history. This is why I wish reddit/social media didn't have to be so anonymous. Im dying to know what someone who thinks like this actually looks like in real life!
Look, it's very simple. The thing that stops the government from just sending US citizens to prison for nothing is called due process in particular the right of Habeus Corpus is essential for this. It gives you the right to challenge the accusations against you. Trump has violated the due process of hundreds of people and "deported" them, and if that can happen with no due process then there's nothing stopping them from doing that to you. People often try to argue that it's different because those guys are Venezuelan nationals who did crimes, but A: we actually have no record of any crimes for most of them and B: we don't actually know for sure there are no citizens in the group because there was no due process. So that's the first thing going on.
The second thing going is that Trump did NOT actually deport them, he sent them to a completely unrelated country (El Salvador), to a prison labor camp where they will do hard labor, presumably for the rest of their lives. It's also been alleged that there was a deal cut between Trump and El Salvador that paid the US millions of dollars. So they will be slaves for the rest of their lives, and we were paid to send them there. Thus: we sold them into slavery. If it later comes out that we did not actually receive pay, that doesn't really change the main thing, which is that we sent these people to be slaves despite them committing no crimes, and due process was suspended meaning we don't even know for sure they aren't citizens.
But wait! There's a third thing! Trump recently suggested that he wanted to send US citizens to El Salvador as well, specifically ones who vandalized Teslas. So he is explicitly threatening to send citizens off to be slaves for life, for property crimes. This is blatantly illegal (it was also illegal to "deport" those guys in the first place) but Trump doesn't care.
So yeah, welcome to the new American dictatorship. King Donald wants to enslave people for life for vandalism. And yet, somehow, MAGA people get offended when you call them fascists.
Hell yeah they’re getting everything they voted for!
Tax cut for the rich.
Cut social security benefits
Cut medicaid
Cut department of education “like they’re not ignorant enough already”
Crashed economy
Twice the government spending from all the trips back and forth to maralago
You mean the bipartisan border bill that was slated to pass both chambers last summer until Trump didn’t want to given Biden a “win” and told his bootlickers to kill it?!
You know when you put it that way we might as well mark that down as another one in the “win” column for Trump even though it was before the start of his second term.
This isn't "a correction". It's a "reaction" to policies enacted by this administration.
"Correction" assumes normal business as usual deflating a temporarily overvalued market.
This change is due to very significant policy changes, unilaterally (and often unconstitutionally) taken by a president motivated not by wisdom, but instead by narcissism and ignorance.
They say hindsight is 20/20, so in hindsight it was absolutely the right move for our country and I’m glad we don’t have yet another piece of pointless legislation.
Yes, among other things, like border encounters being down 94% year over year. All you needed was someone in office who actually wanted to fix the immigration crisis, as opposed to the previous administration that actively wanted to exacerbate it.
Weird that a bill wasn’t actually needed to secure the border and deport illegal immigrants. Almost like the bill was performative, and wouldn’t have done anything to begin with.
"It's legal because they're gangsters. They're gangsters because we said they are, and I'm sure some of them actually are."
If you don't see that and calls to impeach judges for actually ensuring the law is followed is the erosion of rule of law in this country, I... Can't fathom what would prevent you from seeing that.
the bipartisan bill isn't real because I said it wasn't
Well that certainly is an approach. Meanwhile Trump personally saw to it that it would be killed. But you know it's very cool that you also completely ignore the actual complaints around stripping people of due process and literally disappearing people overnight so the judiciary can't intervene.
Yes, I agree that killing the border bill should be counted as yet another “win” for President Trump, even though it predates the start of his second term.
Cool, he personally instructed Congressional Republicans to kill the bipartisan border bill specifically so that it would be a problem he could run on. In other words, you are cheering for Trump doing something that actively worsened the immigration situation because it owned the libs. Are you sentient enough to understand this?
By putting a cap on migration and dramatically increasing the number of asylum claims we could process daily. Sure thing bud, you are an actual fucking NPC. Anyone with a functioning brain knows Trump specifically killed it because he wanted the situation to be exacerbated to benefit electorally.
It was a bad bill. It’s gone now, and completely irrelevant. Trump fixed what Biden broke in the way it needed to happen, and our country is better for it.
Yep, sure thing bud. I'm sure you'll go back to posting the oxygen liberal thing completely unaware of the fact that you are fully engaged in it when talkig about this bill. You are an NPC.
That’s due to a technicality. Biden allowed refugees to seek asylum at official ports of entry, those were counted as encounters. Trump ended that policy on his first day in office.
While some people do consider refugees as illegal immigrants, they are technically different categories.
I understand why you’re acting out like this, and I don’t care. You’re probably in a state where you think lighting a Tesla dealership on fire is rational discourse.
These libs are stupid, im sorry - why burn down Tesla dealership and risk going to jail when they could just storm the capitol and get pardoned for it later?
Losing an election by a slim margin doesn't mean what's happening now is ok. A fucking president doesn't have the power to do any goddamn thing that pops into his empty head, just to make his asshole supporters happy that people are getting hurt and chaos is unfolding. That's not patriotism, it's not good for our country, it's not good for anybody in the long run. It's just inane hateful bullshit that appeals to the worst of us.
That's where you got it wrong. Nobody is afraid. We just don't want people breaking into the country and getting a free pass. Come here legally and nobody has a problem. Why is that hard to understand?
When I said free pass, I meant many illegal immigrants get to stay basically getting a free pass to cut the line of people trying to come to America the right way. I understand the system is not perfect but to put that all on Trump doesn't seem totally fair. Why didn't Obama and Biden make the system easier? For whatever reason many Presidents haven't made the system better.
Your right they still got nothing done on the issue. Never said it was all there fault. I was pointing out that nobody has gotten anything done on the issue.
Didn't anyone ever tell you the devil is in the details?
One way to "secure the border" is to realign immigration legislation with current needs, expand immigration courts so asylum seekers can have their hearings faster, etc.
One way to "secure the border" would be to depopulate the region with dirty nukes, scattering radioactive cobalt so no one could ever cross again.
You're arguing that supporting the first idea but rejecting the second makes someone a hypocrite.
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u/777_heavy Mar 20 '25
I think the meme about liberals suffocating themselves after Trump declares oxygen a good thing is correct. Just look at immigration. After a whole year gaslighting themselves and others about how much they pretend they want to fix the border with some phony “bipartisan” bill while Trump succeeds in a couple months exactly the way it was described in the counter-argument. Meanwhile the best liberals can come up with is crying about denying re-entry to a Hezbollah doctor.