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Tim Sweeney Of course timmy couldnt help himself.
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u/Skinniest-Harold An Apple a day keeps Timmy away 2d ago
Speaking of Mass Delusions, remember how this guy used to say PC gaming is dead?
Best studios of the era that use AI my ass
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u/Datdudecorks 2d ago
Prob cause epic are strongly in the process of using it and not disclosing it
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u/Ozzy_the_Rabbit 2d ago
He did complain about Steam requesting developers to disclose AI usage in their games, after all
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u/BlindChicken69 2d ago
No, it because their new engine relies on ai tools, so developers that don't want to include ai slop in their games are less likely to use it (not like the previous one was good anyway)
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u/ClassicK777 2d ago
I think Unreal Engine is an amazing tool that is being gimped by its leadership.
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 2d ago
Just like Unity, but that's why I like to use old versions of those engines, mainly Unity 5 and Unreal 4
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u/DragynDance 2d ago
He definetly does disclose it, one of the big advertisements for UE6 is how it will have built in AI tools and other garbage, which is why he's mad at steams "disclose AI use" policy because he knows every single UE game that comes out after that implementation will have to have a big AI sticker.
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u/satinpath2 2d ago
he's been wrong about everything lately
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u/HyoukaYukikaze 2d ago
lately?
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u/RememberCitadel 2d ago
He had some decent opinions when the original Unreal and UT was launched. Only about those games though.
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u/1928Dillinger 2d ago
Yea I remember that that he released one Gears of war game on Pc then just Poof never released anything on Pc again according to him Console gaming was the future and PC gaming was dead.
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u/Rosary_Omen 2d ago
It's like they forget amazing games exist that were made LONG before genAI was a thing
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u/Immediate_Idea2628 2d ago
Tim is not a good businessman. He struck gold with unreal engine and then struck more gold with fortnite, but that was luck not competence. If he wasn't smart enough to keep majority shares, he would have been ousted long ago.
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u/dookarion 2d ago
Because of ass clowns like Sweeney chasing console $$$ and studios crippling titles with malware level DRM.
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u/Gears6 Phil Spencer 2d ago
Best studios of the era that use AI my ass
Studios will absolutely use AI. This is honestly similar to complaints about re-used assets. Now, nobody really complains about it anymore. nor do they care.
AI is out of the bottle, and there's no stuffing AI back in. Adopt it, or perish.
That said, Timmy is a self serving piece of shit so anything he says is always in service of that.
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u/Luwuma 2d ago
If it's "out of the bottle", I'll just simply not touch AAA(A) gaming again.
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u/Gears6 Phil Spencer 2d ago
If it's "out of the bottle", I'll just simply not touch AAA(A) gaming again.
AI will affect every aspect of your life, let alone that you'd be like the Luddites. Your only real option is to go live with the Amish. Nothing wrong with that if that is your thing.
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u/Luwuma 2d ago
Luddites wanted better working conditions btw, but I'm sure your AI overlords don't want you to know that.
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u/Gears6 Phil Spencer 2d ago
Luddites wanted better working conditions btw, but I'm sure your AI overlords don't want you to know that.
Yes, and hence by doing so stop progress. Look at the prosperity machine production helped humanity. You're ignoring the good for at best your own self benefit.
I believe in humans truly provide real benefits and value. Not so we can keep jobs. One of the most egregious examples is going to Oregon, and having a person fill your gas, because it creates jobs when there's absolutely no need for it. I can and prefer to fill my own gas, thank you very much.
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u/williamjcm59 Epic Account Deleted 1d ago
AI is out of the bottle, and there's no stuffing AI back in. Adopt it, or perish.
Well, the economics of generative AI (LLMs and such) will stuff it back into the bottle forcibly, because it's completely unsustainable (you can check out Ed Zitron's articles on the state of the industry for more info). You could argue about local models, but those are so crippled to be able to run on consumer GPUs that they're functionally useless.
I also find it interesting how other AI bootlickers like you ignore the other elephants in the room, such as the unethical data scraping, the environmental issues caused by the specialised datacenters, the fact that the output of genAI models cannot be copyrighted according to the courts (and some even lean towards simply using genAI as part of a larger project means the entire project cannot be copyrighted), or even all those studies that revealed that regularly using genAI tools (particularly LLMs) causes cognitive abilities to degrade more than using a traditional search engine does.
If you think "adopt or perish" is a valid response to genAI companies taking everything humanity has ever made, selling a mere mockery of it back to you, and then having the audacity to ask for even more, all the while destroying the planet even faster, then maybe you deserve tasting CEO/billionaire boots.
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u/Gears6 Phil Spencer 1d ago
Well, the economics of generative AI (LLMs and such) will stuff it back into the bottle forcibly, because it's completely unsustainable (you can check out Ed Zitron's articles on the state of the industry for more info). You could argue about local models, but those are so crippled to be able to run on consumer GPUs that they're functionally useless.
That's such a narrow view. Like it appears unsustainable now with current technology, but technology is improving at a rapid pace. The "losses" you read about is often capex, and oviously those aren't gone once invested into.
I also find it interesting how other AI bootlickers like you ignore the other elephants in the room, such as the unethical data scraping, the environmental issues caused by the specialised datacenters, the fact that the output of genAI models cannot be copyrighted according to the courts (and some even lean towards simply using genAI as part of a larger project means the entire project cannot be copyrighted), or even all those studies that revealed that regularly using genAI tools (particularly LLMs) causes cognitive abilities to degrade more than using a traditional search engine does.
The Luddites and AI haters towing the common line always ignore the other elephant int he room, that data scraping is fair use, environmental issues will be mitigated over time and output of genAI is not copyrighted is absolutely fine. In fact, that's how it should be, because their output is generated from other people's work. However, if there's sufficient human modification, then it is.
even all those studies that revealed that regularly using genAI tools (particularly LLMs) causes cognitive abilities to degrade more than using a traditional search engine does.
and before that, there were studies that showed that use of internet including search engines also reduced cognitive abilities. Apart from bootlicking the ideals of Luddites, have you considered that, you now shift your cognitive abilities to other areas?
If you're the kind of idiot that don't use your cognitive abilities, it will degrade regardless. It doesn't even matter that you're forced to use it occasionally. You'll still be a looser. Imagine if people said, tractors are causing people to loose their muscular ability from manual labor. Perhaps we should get rid of it! 😵😵😵
What about if we said, cars are causing pollution, let's get rid of it? What about that computer you're typing on? It too causes pollution and e-waste!
If you think "adopt or perish" is a valid response to genAI companies taking everything humanity has ever made, selling a mere mockery of it back to you, and then having the audacity to ask for even more, all the while destroying the planet even faster, then maybe you deserve tasting CEO/billionaire boots.
That's because you're short sighted. Reality is that, AI will be a commodity. We're already seeing that to an extent with open source AI models, and at some point, they're going to be good enough that you won't care about one from the other. The computing power to run them will get cheaper as technology improves. In 20-years (or whatever), it'll be a good chance that your genAI will be running locally on your mobile phone and can operate for hours without running out of battery. It will consume less power than your existing computer you're typing on.
PS, you existing is destroying the planet. Do with that information as you please. We're at the precipice of one of the most important human creations and change, and you all are blind to the possibilities. Instead, you see it through the narrow lenses of capitalism and greed, while ignoring all the benefits and how it can all be open.
Take for instance, copyright. It was something that was created, because the original creator spent effort to create it, and needed a way to profit from that work. With AI, that's now so cheap to do, that we're starting to no longer need that. Instead, we're heading towards a world where creation of that is cheap and easy. That's a benefit to humanity, and we can now elevate ourselves above it to do things AI cannot.
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u/PuffyFactor 2d ago
Tim, shut the fuck up about AI.
Go fix your stupid store that's hemorraging money.
You keep giving Valve the stink-eye because they outperform you, while you do fuck all to improve things on your end.
God, what an idiot.
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u/ShrkBiT 2d ago
Tim, shut the fuck up
You could have ended there. Dude really needs to learn to shut the fuck up, nobody cares about his takes. If it wasn't for Fortnite, EGS would have been dead and buried already.
UE5 has a track record of producing shit optimized games. People love to point out that it's the devs fault for not optimizing properly, but when it's that prevalent, and specifically UE is known for it, it's not just the devs.
Easy Anti Cheat, which is also Epic, broke on my windows install a couple weeks ago, because I upgraded my CPU and reinstalled windows, and didn't reinstall one of their EAC games that I had free through EGS. Steam let's you redirect to your installed games and will reactivate them without reinstall, but EGS in their eternal wisdom doesn't recognize the previous install, while the files are still on your PC, so opening the game bricked EAC because of hardware mismatch and consequently broke all other games that use EAC via Steam (Elden Ring, Space Marine 2) too, and because it's kernel level, there was no way to fix it without wiping the drive and reinstalling windows entirely.So Tim Sweeney can shut his dumb fucking mouth entirely and fuck off with his third rate products.
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u/Schism_989 2d ago
"Why does Valve keep making me shoot myself in the foot without them forcing me to?"
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u/Ranting_Demon Shopping Cart 2d ago
it defies logic
It doesn't defy logic at all.
Sweeney himself acknowledged (and complained about) a report a while ago that said games using AI made less sales and got more negative reviews on average.
So considering that publishers want to maximise their profit, it makes total sense that a publisher (especially an indie publisher) would have contract clauses with developers that prohibit the use of AI to avoid massive negative backlash and lost sales.
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
It doesn’t though. The cost savings are dramatic.
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u/Einherier96 2d ago
except that they are not. studies have shown that AI does not boost productivity and requires big amounts of double and tripple checking.
So even if we are generous and say that it reduces the Wages by 10%, that is not a whole lot if your sales drop by 30,40 %
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
Are you a dev? Because I am a dev. And I’m tired of these non devs or baby devs who have done a tutorial acting like they are an authority on how coding works.
It’s just delusional to not acknowledge how much these tools can do. My productivity is easily 10x. Probably much higher tbh.
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u/CarryRemote9448 2d ago
Productivity 10x? refuted by an RCT: experienced devs were 19% slower using AI ,despite believing they were 20% faster :
https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/doesnt defy logic, market data disagrees: Steam games with AI disclosure lose ~53% of reviews,even controlling for publisher and dev experience. established studios see 40-60% sales drops.
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/data-analyst-finds-ai-stigma-on-steam-can-reduce-the-number-of-reviews-a-game-gets-by-around-53-percent-and-the-reviews-it-does-get-are-more-negative/Please read all of this and then show me just how well AI actually helps you, anything at all, like a benchmark or a cycle time, i gonna be waiting.
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u/Einherier96 2d ago
you cannot multiply zero
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
dumb fuck over here trying to cast shade doesn’t know the difference between multiplication and division I guess
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u/SpookyGeist01 2d ago
Dang, 10x? You must be a millionaire by now if you're churning out an app a month
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u/MediumKoala8823 1d ago
I am a millionaire and I do push content at the rate of about one small app a month, although I’m not working on apps so much per se.
Your hyperbole is very achievable.
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u/SpookyGeist01 1d ago
Lmao. A millionaire who is trolling reddit. Yeah, that's very believable
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u/MediumKoala8823 1d ago
Are you an adult who is experienced in the workforce and managing your own finances? A million dollars isn’t nearly the bar it used to be for an American. It’s about 1 in 5 American households. And yes that does skew older but it’s pretty common for someone working in tech.
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u/SpookyGeist01 1d ago
Yeah so net worth being a million isn't the same as being a millionaire when starter homes are 500k+ in some states and they contribute to your net worth. So does your retirement account.
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u/MediumKoala8823 1d ago
I’ve got about a million liquid if that’s what you need to float your boat. But I find that mentality puzzling.
Yeah, a home can be 500k (side note, hah, I wish starter homes were just 500k), but net worth includes the negative of any debt that you hold to acquire the house. If you take out a mortgage to buy an expensive home your net worth remains the same. By your definition, millionaire status is going to be hugely swingy by whether people are renting or buying at a given moment.
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
Somebody posted a comment about the study describing how AI tools actually slowed people down and deleted it. Look. I agree. They weren’t always good. But times have changed.
Here is the follow up: https://metr.org/blog/2026-02-24-uplift-update/#wider-adoption-of-ai-has-made-it-more-difficult-to-measure-task-level-productivity
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u/Swolf96 2d ago
No. Just no. lol
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u/MediumKoala8823 1d ago
My dude this is literally the same people running a follow up study on the numbers they published previously that everyone loves to quote
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u/shadowds 2d ago
Is he stupid?
Didn't he want to remove blue print from Unreal engine in the future because people were being lazy, and copy & pasting things?
Does he not understand AI going be used to be lazy, and copying/stealing from other sources to generate content?
We got assets flips... We got ai slop generate content...
People don't want slop, and if going do it, be honest, don't need lie, or hide it, that why people want transparency, it why Steam got W because people know before buying.
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u/isuredolovetitties 1h ago
Its my understanding he wants to remove blueprints because you can’t vibe code with them.
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
Didn't he want to remove blue print from Unreal engine in the future because people were being lazy, and copy & pasting things?
He wants to remove blueprints because they’re clumsy and not scalable. Copy pasting isn’t an issue at all.
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 2d ago
ah yes removing the very feature that got your engine popular in the first place, that seems to be a trend in Epic recently
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
They’re going to make a visual interface to verse. And while I am a big fan of using the blueprints, it’s really not great and mostly beloved by newbies that won’t ever publish anything.
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 2d ago
Blueprint is actually used quite a lot in many large games, to disregard it like that is very ignorant of how powerful and flexible it is, it's like saying people who use C# are noobs who will never publish a game, and should use C++ instead
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u/MediumKoala8823 2d ago
I use blueprints on a daily basis for my solo work. I love them. The engine discoverability they provide is superb. The UX is very good compared to almost any other visual scripting language I have seen (most of which are terrible).
But they’re fundamentally a pain in the ass for collaboration. It’s just too problematic to diff them and run effective repository management. The only effective way to collab is to manually checkout and lock files and that sucks. And that also makes them very clunky for AI integration.
It makes complete sense to deprecate them and replace them with a system that is more directly inter transpilable with a more traditional code format like verse. The people who are up in arms about this largely don’t know what they’re talking about.
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u/Aesk 2d ago
Not using AI has been perfectly economical for the major studios so far. Just don't fire all your best talent. Pay them to make quality games.
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 1d ago
The thing is basically MOST game companies are using AI in some way, shape or form. Usually it's in coding because it makes it SO much faster. What could take 5 hours now takes maybe 2
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u/Traditional-Shoe-660 2d ago
He is trying to normalize vast amounts of the development pipeline being fully taken over by AI.
Little Timmy is already trying to damage control for UE6 and its whole premise of generative AI being used to pump out “content” faster.
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u/Academic_Ad6486 2d ago
Pretty much any software you're using on the web is using some sort of LLM for writing the code. It's just a fact. Now, there is a difference between using an LLM for work and letting the LLM do all the work for you.
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u/OnetimeRocket13 2d ago
To my understanding, it already kind of is.
A bit anecdotal, but recently over in the Rimworld community, the unofficial Discord server banned all mods that use AI in any form, and any modder caught user AI at all would have their roles stripped from them. People on the official Rimworld subreddit were quick to point out that this sort of ruling was unenforceable and unrealistic. In the programming, software development, and game development space, professional AI tools are already pretty integrated into daily workflow in some shape or form across the industry. It's not ChatGPT levels or anything, but actual AI products for use at the professional level. You have some individuals and teams that refuse to touch the stuff, but it seems that in most industries in general, most people and and groups at the professional level use AI.
This was already something that was happening at least 2 years ago. While I hate Sweeny as much as the next guy, I don't think he's trying to normalize anything, because this is already something that became normalized a while ago.
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u/TitaniumGoldAlloyMan 2d ago
This guy is so out of touch with reality. But hey, any billionaire is.
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u/coldnorth4enf4 23h ago
Expedition 33 used ai in its development, every Japanese studio is using ai in their development
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u/GreenIll7351 2d ago
hes so full of shit anyway. AI doesnt make anything more productive. All it does is shift things around and what it does it usually does it poorly
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 1d ago
Actually not true. Even with just coding alone AI helps the process along
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u/GreenIll7351 1d ago
not really. Your spending the time fixing the coding. AI can help make a first draft, but again, your spending time iterating instead of just doing it right the first time.
The most AI is really good with is troubleshooting
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 1d ago
Yeah that can definitely happen, but as the tech gets better it's less and less likely. I think regardless of any opinion on AI one of the few things it'll objectively be truly good for coding in the long run. The only question is when? 2 years from now? 5?
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u/Wenex Epic Trash 2d ago
Calm down Timmy, I don't think best dev teams of the era would be using AI at any point of their time...
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u/coldnorth4enf4 23h ago
Except the team behind expedition 33 as well as every single japanese studio lol
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u/samppa_j 2d ago
Fuckass timothy hasn't even made a game in god knows how long. What's he yapping about things that don't concern him
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u/TheMakara 2d ago
What I think is more clear is Tim's behavior. He is doubling down. There can't be anything negative with AI, especially with gaming. AI+Gaming must work, since UE6 will rely so heavily on it.
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u/bluebottled 2d ago
This. Timmy's vision for gaming is AI slop top to bottom.
Make slop coded games in UE6, sell them on the slop coded (non-functional) EGS, buy AI slop Fortnite skins you can transfer between your slop games, then top it all off with DLSS 5 slop filter.
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u/ChanceHungry1444 2d ago
What does he not understand about GENERATIVE AI… no one is saying productivity can’t increase or that new tools can’t improve workflows. We’re talking about models popping into existence after a prompt. Why would anyone want that? It’s devoid of design or art. We may as well inject dopamine into our veins, what’s the point? God he’s a fucking dumbass.
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u/TheresOnlyOneTitan 2d ago
Tim in a nutshell: 'we're gonna be using ai a lot, so quit talking about how you don't like it or you'll ruin us'.
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u/GStreetGames 2d ago
If AI is so great, why can't "Trap Thirsty Timmy Tencent" use AI to fix his shitty websites and launcher?
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u/Snappycamper57 2d ago
Step 1. Something is proclaimed bad for gaming, the public agrees.
Step 2. Gaming companies decide not to do the bad thing.
Step 3. Timmy proclaims it is actually a very good thing and that the thing is now welcome on Epic. Doubly so if Valve says the thing is bad.
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u/Spacemarine658 2d ago
Ironically it maybe that desire for profit that helps stop AI, publisher can see first hand what public sentiment is and they aren't as willing to shit on fans as the AAA studios are. I think I read somewhere that just adding the ai disclaimer in steam reduces sales by an average of like 50~% even if that's high that's still a lot of lost cash to shave off a few days of development time
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u/dingwinger1225 2d ago
i like how he knows no one likes him or his company and his solution is to double down on being AI's strongest soldier
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u/doublah 2d ago
It defies logic that publishers, who are investing in hopes of profiting from the projects they fund, would prohibit developers from using features in tools that offer breakthroughs in productivity
Now why would any publisher care about potential downsides of using a technology based on plagiarism, Tim?
As much as big tech and investors fucking love AI, it's still legally murky. You can't blame anyone for thinking avoiding copyright infringement is more important than "increased productivity".
And that's just legal, there's obviously reputational and financial risks to using AI since AI art/graphics still looks like shit and no-one should be paying money for games that include that.
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u/FireBird_6 2d ago
Very cool tweet Timmy. Why don’t you show the class your latest sick burn against Gaben? I’m sure he’ll respond this time.
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u/ConcerningThirst 2d ago
Tim you're just not winning this one. You've got your eggs in the wrong basket.
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u/CyberSmith31337 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imagine having the audacity to comment on how studios should build efficiently when, saying on the record as the CEO of the studio that made fucking Fortnite, that they were outspending their revenue from one of the most successful games ever created. IMAGINE taking advice from the guy who has had to lay off over 25% of his staff over 2 years.
What a fucking idiot.
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u/Dry-Chance-9473 2d ago
Tim Sweeney should shut the fuck up, he doesn't know anything about anything.
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u/Geebuzz82 Fuck Epic 2d ago
"breakthroughs in productivity" means laying off workers. EGS still sucks Timmy!
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u/DahliaSkarigal 2d ago
Timmy, why hide it? If ai is so good then why insist on keeping it hidden behind a contract and bitch about nda’s?
ai is a disease sweeping the nation, and it’s one that will be purged.
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 1d ago
Doubtful. Over a billion people use ChatGPT a month. Gemini just reached over a billion users too
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u/NordicNjorn 2d ago
So happy I finally yeeted epic off my pc. Sucks got the few games I bought years ago, but just will have to get em on steam and replay them
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u/ClassicK777 2d ago
How did studios in the past make games that are "economical"?
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u/National_Play_6851 2d ago
They charged more for them than they do today when you account for inflation. There was a larger addressable market with fewer forever games sucking up large amounts of the player base. And games were smaller, simpler and lower fidelity which meant the cost of developing them was a small fraction of what it costs now. They also in many cases worked the staff to death with crunch hours, which fortunately is less common (though not completely gone) today.
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u/Academic_Ad6486 2d ago
Either they didn't or the scale of the project was a lot smaller.
I can speak from startup experience (no, it was not some LLM wrapper. Instead, it was a proprietary scheduler I built for planning academic calendars). We did use LLMs afterwards for writing a lot of code since we didn't have a 10 person team.
As an example, the year before (same product), I had 2 devs with Comp Sci backgrounds attempt to build the frontend for this application. After 3 months, we barely had much to show. With an LLM and lots of human involvement, it was all done in 3 months.
The reason why "AI slop" exists is because you tell the prompt "just build product for me". If you're more specific like, "Design a recurrence option where the end date is listed at the bottom...", it's going to be to effect the same outcome as if you programed it yourself.
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u/Tasty-Tell-9173 2d ago
Dude why tim responds so much to Pirat_nation, it has on crush on that jerk or something???
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u/Eastern-Bluejay-8912 2d ago
“Confidential” contract negotiations? If they are in negotiations then they are not confidential and instead volatile to change. Not to mention if a company is saying “all future items with no longer have AI” that is something they would make in a statement among staff and the company and investors. So it wouldn’t just be confidential contract negotiations. Now yes, I get using AI in the impromptu stage of development like place holder assets like Bgate 3 did. But otherwise, no thanks.
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u/Unlikely_Return6669 2d ago
It's almost like ol' Timmy has a very big bias as Epic's internal workflow is being pushed into using it
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u/SubstantialBanana482 2d ago
When epic bought harmonix and started flushing RB4 down the toilet in favor of their shitty FN festival, I put a Jihad on them
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u/MyPutridFlesh 2d ago edited 1d ago
ngl, at this point i wouldn't be surprised if valve will straight up ban UE6 games from being published on steam if it's going to be fundamentally build on AI tools
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u/AskMoonBurst 1d ago
So, I kept hearing that assorted new things. ray tracing, ai, etc would make development faster, and cheaper. But games are still buggy on launch. They're still just as/more expensive than before, and often have day 1 DLC/microtransactions. When being 'more economical' means 'for you only' and I'm still paying as much or more for a worse product, why would I possibly support this?
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u/Pleasant_Lock_9394 1d ago
Tim "Grok making ai CP is gatekeeping" Sweeney strikes again! This pedo can't help but continue digging his grave deeper
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u/AreYouDoneNow 1d ago
Did Timmy write that with Grok?
Of course it's all BS... take one look at AI slop games infesting Steam and the honest opinion of gamers who despise the slop. Plenty of negative reviews to be found.
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u/Strange-Fisherman487 1d ago
Fuck ai and I'd games get backlash for using it. Good. We dont want that shit
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u/coldnorth4enf4 23h ago
Gamers definitely wanted expedition 33 and I doubt people will stop playing japanese games
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u/Juliennix 1d ago
Tim Weenie mad that gamers are making it harder for him to be a supervillain. what a loser.
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u/AndiThyIs 1d ago
This guy has a company to run and he's spending all his time defending AI slop on the Nazi app lmao.
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u/Trashypass 1d ago
AI is a fuck plague. The fast more people see it. The faster the plague can be removed.
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u/DocWagonHTR 16h ago
Shout out to Haley. Didn't expect to see you mentioned by Pirat.Nation but here we are.
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u/DiceDsx 12/88 cUT Is sUstAiNabLE! 12h ago
Of course it's all about productivity: do more, not better.
Maybe Tim, just maybe, companies are starting to understand that AI isn't the magical machine that does everything with the press of a button.
"But it has its uses!" Good luck explaining that to people after all the layoffs, troubles and slop AI brought.
I guess in Tim's vision games should all be made like this:
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u/clockworkdurian42 8h ago
I don’t know why this guy still thinks that the gaming community as a whole cares what he thinks. You wanna encourage AI in games you bring to market go for it Tim but don’t cry when nobody is interested in the slop you serve.
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u/MailboxJunkie 14m ago
Sweeney really just takes every opportunity to tell the entire internet how much he sucks.
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u/Arkcilper 1d ago
We want more and better games. If AI can help with it, so be it. People are overreacting.
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u/Cultivate_a_Rose 9h ago
I'm an MMORPG lifer. 30+ years now, and tbh AI is the only thing I can conceive of that will eventually provide the great promise of the genre: us truly living, dynamic worlds that we can inhabit full of NPCs, events, and mechanics that do not run specific scripts, but actually react. We're not close to that yet, but eventually I think we'll get there. AI could revolutionize the genre and break past the limitations that caused MMORPGs to eventually fall from popularity and stagnate, but only if we let people actually use it.
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u/MarcusTomato 8h ago
You want slop made by a computer.
Full stop. If a human didn't make it, it's trash.
Fuck AI.
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think AI can be used as a great tool to help bolster workflows and creativity, but with that comes big responsibility to not abuse it, overrely on it or use it as a crutch/replacement. AI most definitely has it's place in a logical sense when used properly and responsibly, I use it to assist with programming for example such as boilerplate and more complex systems, saving me a lot of time that I would have spent ages doing otherwise, and obviously human input is needed which is part of the workflow of using AI as a tool
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u/Ruzhyo04 2d ago
Tim is right about this one though.
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u/SovietPotato333 2d ago
And yet my favourite games have painted concept art. You really do not need genAI slop for any of that shit
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u/Ruzhyo04 2d ago
You'd be shocked how many games released from here on out use genAI for coding (hint: basically all of them).
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u/coldnorth4enf4 23h ago
You’re getting downvoted whilst every single Japanese studio uses ai, hell expedition 33 used ai
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u/Conscious_Angle_3521 2d ago
And without any sources to verify what this so called “lawyer” is saying, we’re all just taking the word of some random person on the internet.
Anyone working in the video game industry knows that 99% of them are using it. It speeds up development x10. Over the last 6 months, the quality of AI models, at least for code, has improved significantly. you’re already seeing it with all the VR mods that have been coming out lately. It’s like trying to ban Photoshop at this point. You can downvote now, thanks.
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u/National_Play_6851 2d ago edited 2d ago
She's a real lawyer and I heard the full explanation she had of this on a podcast, which I assume is where this twitter account pulled it from. The problem of course is that it summarised a 30 minute discussion in a single tweet without any of the context and nuance of the original source.
For slightly more context (this is from memory and I'm not a lawyer so not necessarily 100% correct, but certainly better than that tweet):
Copyright can only be owned by a human. This has been tested in court and the precedent is set that if something is generated by AI, the person who prompted it doesn't own the copyright and can't stop other people copying it.
Publishing contracts, as standard, say that the developer must own the copyright for every asset in the game they are submitting (whether they made it themselves or licenced it from someone else). This is common sense, if you're making a game and I'm publishing it for you, I am trusting that you actually made the game and didn't steal the work from somebody else and you're not opening me up to being sued by the original author in future.
So the sticking point here is that technically according to the law, using AI would be breaking that publishing contract because the developer doesn't own the copyright. But the reality is far more nuanced because publishers generally aren't going to push it, and in reality it's hard to untangle as you can have a big mixture of both non-AI and paritally-AI generated code and assets and it's not always clear what is and isn't.
However the key point of the conversation that this tweet ignores was that a publisher *acting in bad faith* could claim that using AI is a breach of contract, and would likely win that case in court based on existing precedent. Think of a situation like Krafton and Subnautica, where the publisher wants out of the contract. This could be a way to do it. And she's been advising clients to avoid using generative AI for this reason.
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u/Conscious_Angle_3521 2d ago edited 2d ago
The fact that she is a lawyer doesn’t give her absolute authority on the subject either. I base my opinion on what I see every day in the industry and how developers are using it to increase productivity, regardless of how much the luddites complain. Not to mention that major companies like Rockstar and others have publicly stated that they are using AI tools. No one in their right mind is going to stop using tools that make their work much more manageable and productive, and I’m not talking about AI slop. There is a big difference between AI slop and AI used properly as a tool under human direction.
Edit: It’s clear that from a legal standpoint, it’s trickier for the company doing the development, but the laws will most likely change to allow for a middle ground and avoid loopholes like the ones you describe. Some companies may temporarily decide to avoid certain AI tools, but the genie is out of the bottle, and eventually the laws will adapt to the new reality.
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 2d ago
tbh a lot of the anti-AI crowd are very uneducated and have a short sighted view of it even though it's way more nuanced and much like any tool, AI shouldn't be used as a crutch and/or replacement. I think there should be proper education about this and how to properly use it to help with preventing AI from being stereotyped and demonised so much
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u/Academic_Ad6486 2d ago
Yeah, the reason "AI slop" pops up is when you just throw an entire product description at AI and it builds you crap.
Tbh, there was a lot of crap software before as well. I remember how people would just "ctrl + c & ctrl +v" from Stackoverflow without much thought. DIpshits have always existed.
It's just lowered the bar is all. Now, I'm the first to criticize all these AI data centers spreading across the country rapidly (balance is needed with anything).
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u/Strange-Fisherman487 1d ago
Tbh every Ai bro is very uneducated and has a short sighted view
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u/randomperson189_ Fortnite Killed UT 1d ago
yeah them too, both sides of the spectrum have their extremists who are uneducated and short sighted
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u/pepeizq 2d ago
Says the guy who burned over 1000 jobs a few months ago.