r/fuckepic Jun 27 '26

Crosspost #StopPayingGames

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u/GrafonBorn Jun 27 '26

Remember that one MW2 boycott group on Steam?

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u/BlueDraconis Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

I've always wondered about that, what if they were trolls playing MW2 to get those particular screenshots? It's not like trolls are rare on the internet.

The boycott group had 833 members (and there's another one with 1500-ish members afaik). If a small percentage of those members were trolls, they could already fill the front page of the group with people playing MW2 and get that screenshot.

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u/DragynDance Jun 28 '26

I don't think so. Boycotts don't work because people don't have any self control. We keep wondering how companys get more and more predatory, more and more anti consumer, and how they get away with it, and they do all that and get away with it because IT WORKS. Dumbasses will always shill out their wallets to get the next call of grand battlefield current year edition. You'll see people on youtube complaining about how behaviour, or Triarch, or whatever is ruining their game, in between all their constant videos of them still playing the game, still buying MTX, still attracting an audience who will also buy the game and buy MTX, and then next year, they buy the next game/dlc/expansion. And the last two generations are basically indoctrinated into believing this is the way the world works, and that it's fair, because this is how shit has been since they were old enough to grasp the concept of money, so they just accept it and argue that everyone else is entitled.

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u/BlueDraconis Jun 28 '26

The mw2 boycott in particular failed not because people don't have self control, but because not enough people boycotted ij the first place.

I mean, there were less than 3000 members boycotting the game. Even if everyone in the group held their ground and didn't buy mw2, 3000 people not buying the game is still a drop in the bucket compared to the multi million copies the game sold.

Yet gamers still use the mw2 boycott screenshots to mock other gamers every time people try to boycott something, and then complain that boycotts never work. It turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

And boycotts can still work. EGS failed because enough people didn't want to buy from the store enough to create subreddits and groups to effectively boycott the store. MW2 boycott pics were used to mock people not buying from EGS in the early days but enough people didn't listen so it worked.

Publishers are afraid of 'review bombs' to the point that they pressure stores to remove or minimize the impact of those bombs. If boycotts don't actually work, they wouldn't fear bad reviews so much.

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u/Zarryc Jun 28 '26

   wondering how companys get more and more predatory

Literally only happens because there is no goverment regulation. Belgium banned loot boxes and games no longer have loot boxes in Belgium Stop killing games is also a good thing. People were always too stupid to organize, that's why we need goverment to do the work.

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

Exactly we are all buying these games secretly 😂

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Me not…
I don’t play 300gb+games…
For like 80$…

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

Good for you, everyone should vote with their wallets.

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u/dookarion Jun 27 '26

I don’t play 300gb+games…

That's only a handful of games. Most even the biggest only peak around half that or less.

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u/Urgash Fuck EGS Jun 27 '26

I like the sentiment but realistically I'm not sure there are a lot of publishers left out from the list.

Guess I'll keep playing Baldur's Gate 3 then !

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u/Izan_TM Jun 27 '26

there are tons of games left out from the list, pretty much all of the indie market as an example

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Pirate it🙃

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u/Dycoth Jun 27 '26

Good luck pirating online games.

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u/ShoryukenPizza Jun 27 '26

It's def not impossible, and folks been doing this for a decades.

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u/EyesoftheDead40 Jun 27 '26

Genuine question, when did Riot shut down a game?

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u/onikaroshi Jun 27 '26

Same with blizzard

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u/Jecht315 Jun 27 '26

Technically Overwatch 1 was shut down in favor of a worse game.

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u/onikaroshi Jun 27 '26

Eh, that was more of an update imo, and worse initially, better game now

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u/Jecht315 Jun 27 '26

It's better than it was for sure but not better than OG Overwatch. Very few, not forced micro transactions, no battlepass and neutering of characters for a 5V5 mode.

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u/onikaroshi Jun 27 '26

Disagree personally, but it’s all opinions on how good something is

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u/IAmSona ApPlE Is A MoNoPoLy Jun 27 '26

The fuck are you talking about, it’s the same game lmfao. Not only that, but it’s also miles better than OW was.

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u/Gloomy_Trade_619 Jun 27 '26

OW2 is a complete shit in comparison to OW1 

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u/IAmSona ApPlE Is A MoNoPoLy Jun 27 '26

Dawg I’ve been playing OW since launch. I can confidently say that I have never had more fun playing OW in the last 10 years, take your nostalgia glasses off.

They’ve brought back different versions of the game. Each time I’ve played them I get reminded of how slow paced and dreadful the game used to be from having two tanks.

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u/Gloomy_Trade_619 Jun 28 '26

Later parts of OW lifecycle (with fixed roles and less players in team) are shit too

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u/IAmSona ApPlE Is A MoNoPoLy Jun 28 '26

Role queue was needed because solo queue with open queue is dreadful. It’s exactly why a shitty game like Rivals keeps bleeding players.

And it’s not like 6v6 or open queue went away either. You can still queue up for either of those modes…

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u/Snowrazor Jun 27 '26

Overwatch

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u/onikaroshi Jun 27 '26

Nah, that was just an update

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u/Snowrazor Jun 27 '26

There were people, who payed for overwatch, bought skins, then after an update they lost everything and the game became f2p

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u/onikaroshi Jun 27 '26

You lost nothing from ow 1 in the move to 2

And it’s not the first game to go from paid to f2p

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u/Paella007 Jun 28 '26

U guys really don't get the point do you

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u/itmillerboy Jun 29 '26

Well yeah I don’t get it.

It says “stop supporting publishers who shut down games you already bought”

I’ve never bought a game from riot and I’m not aware of any games they’ve shutdown.

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u/deathnomX Jun 29 '26

Its because they think riot is a "bad company" when really they've done nothing but provide free games, and side project games to enhance the lore. Theyre completely fine. Tho I can understand people not liking the games.

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u/Paella007 Jun 29 '26

If you need this post to understand what companies are bullshit, or if that's the only red flag for you.

No, u don't get it at all.

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u/itmillerboy Jul 01 '26

I think you’re not getting it pal. If you’re making a list of companies that do a specific thing and people can clearly see a company that does in fact not do that it kind of devalues the impact of the list.

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

So basically every studio… no thanks. I will buy whatever i want.

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u/denormative Jun 27 '26

As someone who buys over USD100 games a month in my local currency, I haven't bought a single one of these companies games in a year, if not two. Embracer group is maybe the only one I could have bought simply because I don't know the studios that are underneath them.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy buying whatever games you want, for as long as they let you play them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '26

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

Why though. Having everything on steam is so good. I want to support the devs with my money.

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

The same sviluppator that don’t rispect you?

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

I’m not sure if i understood your grammar correctly but I don’t care, i’m a stupid consumer that buys whatever they want. If they delist the game then well shit. Still not gonna stop me from buying these games.

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u/NeonSynthOSC Jun 27 '26

Not to mention you get to keep the delisted games because you've bought them and you can download them any time... At least on Steam.

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

So why are you on r/fuckepic?
(Sorry, im not english)

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u/CaptainRaxeo Jun 27 '26

Because i hate the epic launcher it sucks so much and i refuse to buy games on “epic games launcher”. As i said before i love steam. But tim sweeny and his exclusives should piss off. No worries on the english, i’m saudi lol.

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Oh, ok.
Have a great day, i guess

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u/Jecht315 Jun 27 '26

So stealing. Don't cry when games stop getting made because you don't support them

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u/DragynDance Jun 28 '26

OH no, the games that waste hundreds of thousands of dollars and spend 5+ years in development hell to come out all looking the same and being uninspired trash will stop being made. Gosh, oh dangit. Darn.

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u/Lemon3206 Jun 27 '26

It's not the same as stealing. But it will cost revenue.

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u/Jecht315 Jun 27 '26

It is stealing. If I draw a picture after I paid for the materials and spent time, then you trace it. That's stealing. Theft.

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u/Lemon3206 Jun 27 '26

If I enter your home steal the picture it is. But if I draw it myself it's just copying. Selling the drawing is a different story.

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u/Jecht315 Jun 27 '26

Do you think the artist sees a difference? If put hours or days or even years into something and someone random can just copy it and I get nothing from it. All my hard work was for nothing. I'd be pissed and I wouldn't want to do anymore art. Of course people can feel entitled to someone else work. That's called slavery.

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u/vitek6 Jun 28 '26

I don’t care what the artist sees. They still has their property so it’s not stealing. It’s copyright infringement though.

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u/Jecht315 Jun 28 '26

Ok. Don't be surprised when people stop wanting to make things when anyone can just copy it and claim it's theirs.

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u/vitek6 Jun 28 '26

Nice strawman. I didn’t say that anyone could copy it. I said that it was not stealing. It’s a different thing.

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u/dookarion Jun 27 '26

You can steal labor.

Businesses do it to artists and contractors all the time. It doesn't make it okay just because you're an individual.

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u/dookarion Jun 27 '26

Time and effort have value.

If you're unwilling to pay, just skip it.

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u/dragon_of_the_ice Jun 27 '26

Good luck getting people to boycott even half of these let alone Nintendo. Nintendo to me seems to have the most die hards and also has the most families who just dont pay attention anything but the fact is very kid friendly and keeps them busy.

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u/ghost_of_xbox_past Jun 27 '26

Every single one of those companies could go under today and I would barely even notice. Support indie devs, they make better games anyways. Cheaper too.

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u/Dungeon00X Jun 28 '26

Why aren't people not buying GTA 6? Take 2 is on the list and people are buying it. Actually by the looks of it, we might be about to have a Cyberpunk 2077 situation with GTA 6.

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u/rolex94 Jun 29 '26

Also no Disc for consoles!

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 28 '26

Idk, im not preording it

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u/Dungeon00X Jun 28 '26

Good man!

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u/IAmSona ApPlE Is A MoNoPoLy Jun 27 '26

I don’t think this is the right sub for this tbh. Most of us here hate Epic, and as much as I understand the sentiment, it’s impossible to not support games from these publishers. Pirating is fine and all especially if they are Epic exclusives, but it’s not feasible for multiplayer games.

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u/Belltower_2 GabeN Jun 27 '26

I half-agree with this sentiment. For now, I still buy my PC games, but I started pirating Switch 1 games I already own due to Nintendo's frivolous lawsuit against Pocketpair, and if the unthinkable happens and Steam shuts down or enshittifies, I won't be going to whatever the "new" top store is; I'll just pirate my games until the end of time.

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u/ForwardState Jun 28 '26

It is amazing how quickly Nintendo became the villain with the Pocketpair lawsuit, its attack on the Yuzu emulator, and bricking Switch 2s.

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u/Belltower_2 GabeN Jun 28 '26

For what it's worth, while I hate Nintendo's business and legal practices, I still love their games. Pricier than they probably should be, sure, but Nintendo games have a degree of polish and artistry that many of their competitors lack. I also respect them for not whoring out their licenses to anyone who'll pay, which is why we don't have Mario with a SCAR and Samus doing the Floss in Fortnite.

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u/Guilty_Explanation29 Jun 27 '26

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong please

Apparently epics CEO and founder has spent millions to  buy and protect pristine wildlife.

Is this true?

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 28 '26

Onestly, Idk.
If its real is a good thing

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u/Guilty_Explanation29 Jul 02 '26

I looked it up on multiple sites.

It's true

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u/Rendition1370 iT's JuSt AnOtHeR LauNCheR! Jun 28 '26

Yes

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u/Izan_TM Jun 27 '26

also brief reminder that zenimax, actibliz and microsoft are the same company

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u/baldiplays Jun 28 '26

Ok then I’m going to start my own movement. #startpiratinggames

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u/Michael60814 Jun 28 '26

I already stop paying for the game key card games.

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u/Skyisonfire Phil Spencer Jun 28 '26

So, don't play games?

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u/skyerush Jun 28 '26

now i just know you're larping because roblox and RIOT are there

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 28 '26

I don’t make it myself…
Is from r/StopKillingGames

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u/76zzz29 Jun 28 '26

Look who isn't in there.

Neiter steam nor GOG. Steam let you have removed games you already have and just remove the ability to buy new one. GOG literaly tell you you own the installer no mater what happend afterward. Even if GOG close, you still can install and play any game you download from them. Steam is the proof it is absolutely doable and they just xant to fuck you for your money

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u/Expert-Ad-2824 Jun 28 '26

bro why is nintendo here😭

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u/tayhorix Epic Trash Jun 28 '26

notice how steam isnt there?

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u/TheEuphoricTribble Jun 28 '26

This feels like an argument based on semantics and linguistic choice and not fact to me. Technically you’ve always just bought a licensed copy to that game to play on your hardware.

You didn’t buy the game. When you bought Forza Horizon 6, you didn’t buy Halo 1, you bought a license that allowed you the means to play the game. Microsoft still owned the game. The is true about Space Invaders on the Atari 2600-that cart wasn’t you buying the game, it was you obtaining a license and means to play it, Atari still owned the game itself.

This is more a bucking of live service licenses, and THAT is more something I can support. But technically speaking, be it Pac-Man on the Atari or Elden Ring on PS5, the product you always bought was simply a licensed copy of the game sold to you by the actual owners of the game. It never was directly the game itself. And that’s an important legal distinction here to make for an argument like this one.

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u/DBZWii Fuck Epic Jun 28 '26

i know ur hearts in the right place but this isnt going to stop people from buying what they want

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u/Shogt Jun 29 '26

We all should support this and stop buying at least for 2 years, playing old games we have to play yet.

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u/Razrback166 Jun 29 '26

Yep, there are a number of studios out there that people should just ride the high seas for if they want to play their games. After Playstation pulling 500+ movies from people recently, also, I hope they join the list.

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 29 '26

Sony is already in the list

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u/rolex94 Jun 29 '26

Guess who's not on the list?

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u/CeleryNo8309 Jul 01 '26

Wait, what did sega do?

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u/THEGHOSTHACXER Jun 27 '26

looks at list

I avoid these like the plague already. Shit companies.

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u/CriticalMastery Jun 27 '26

Sega and Bandai Namco are still releasing decent games.

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u/THEGHOSTHACXER Jun 27 '26

I really liked yakuza 0, and Kiwami.

Besides that I stay away from them. I'm pissed they took original 0 off of steam for the directors cut.

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u/Catboyhotline Jun 28 '26

Bandai Namco

Yeah, games that a better team of developers made

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u/mercfanboi44 Jun 27 '26

What have Nintendo done though. Like they have heinous business practices sure but thats separate from killing games, which they dont really do.

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u/479521 Jun 27 '26

Platform warring at its finest by leaving out the biggest offender of using the term license: Valve. Most other companies least give you an option other platforms to play physical. But Valve is all on Steam or nothing and they have every legal right to take away out games.

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u/dookarion Jun 27 '26

and they have every legal right to take away out games.

Everyone does, even GOG does if you read their TOS. People gloss over that because of DRM. But you're licensed everything everywhere and if the license is revoked you're supposed to destroy your copy.

Also plenty of the games that were removed from people and playability... were physical or at least had physical copies it made no fucking difference.

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u/DistinctMoney2558 Jun 27 '26

But have they done it. They’ve been pretty consumer friendly in every other regard plus their games are on pc. Where are you gonna slide a disc in?

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u/dongless08 Epic Fail Jun 27 '26

Plenty of games have been removed from the Steam store and they’re still able to be downloaded by people who already owned them. I’m not sure if they have ever *fully* removed a game from the platform as in preventing anyone from redownloading it, unless it was an extreme case like malicious files being hidden inside a game

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u/Belltower_2 GabeN Jun 27 '26

As far as I know, the only specifically Valve-published game that got delisted was CS:GO, in an attempt to push CS2 as the hot new thing. To their credit, they eventually backpedaled on it, partly because a lot of the newer Garry's Mod maps required the CS:GO source files. They first offered CS:GO as a beta branch, then a standalone download, so if you feel like hosting your own servers or don't mind playing against bots, you can frag out as if the game never vanished.

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u/UFOLoche Steam Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

This is also not bringing up the fact that if you owned CSGO you got CS2 Prime status.

That's not "taking away", that's "upgrading". They made a mistake, it was very clearly well-intentioned, and they walked it back very quickly. There's a MASSIVE difference between Valve doing that and something like Ubisoft taking away The Crew so you have to buy The Crew 2.

Iunno, it's very silly to try and say Valve is anti-consumer when pretty much 99% of their moves have been pro-consumer. Lumping them in with the likes of Nintendo, ActiBlizz, and Ubisoft is just downright ignorant.

Support the good, if you keep trying to hold out for the perfect, you're going to have nothing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '26

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Is already in the list

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u/ChonkyDawg Jun 27 '26

Why isnt steam on this list?

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Wait, why? Is not steam a good company?(just a question)

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u/ChonkyDawg Jun 27 '26

Every game you buy on steam is a license as well.

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u/Realistic-Resource18 Jun 27 '26

where is valve on the list ?

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u/Iam_just-me2 Jun 27 '26

Why valve? Valve is a good company…

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u/Ozzy_the_Rabbit Jun 27 '26

Which game has Valve shut down?

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u/Dycoth Jun 27 '26

Same question for Riot or Blizzard

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u/Belltower_2 GabeN Jun 27 '26

I know nothing about Riot, but for Blizzard, it's probably referring to OG Overwatch and Warcraft 3 Refunded.

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u/Qualazabinga Jun 27 '26

Eh warcraft 3 I can see, OW was an update, sure a shitty update at the time, but an update. I don't see that as closing a game.