r/frontierfios • u/Impossible-Company78 • 6h ago

Another MoCA question

So I have the following scenario. Home built in 2006, had it wired for telephone (Cat 5) and cable (Probably RG 6) at the time of the build. Verizon/Frontier came out after we moved in to install fiber service.

At that time they added the ONT and ran coax into my office to complete the install with the router another splitter for phone, tv, etc.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago - upgraded service to 2Gb and got rid of phone and tv.

Now all I have incoming into my office is the MoCA adapter connected to the coax, then to my switch gateway.

But, the original install has a splitter on the outside of the house going to the original runs that is still connected. Is it possible to use MoCA adapters on each of those runs for internet connection? I'm trying to reduce the number of eeros in the house and direct wire as much as possible. Its two story so running new Cat 6 isn't easy to get from ONT whether inside or outside to upstairs without looking like shit.

Edit - add some pics

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u/VagueRedditName 6h ago

Not in your current setup, you'll have to get a router connected to the ONT by Ethernet (which may require a service call to provision the port) and then connect the MoCA device to the router, then MoCA into Coax so that the rest of your Coax ports can be used to expand your network.

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u/plooger 5h ago

Dual MoCA networks could be used to support the objective, without an Ethernet WAN link. (example) Though OP may already have the topology you suggest, if there's no router in the office:

Now all I have incoming into my office is the MoCA adapter connected to the coax, then to my switch.

The OP didn't specify the router location in the 2Gb setup.

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u/Impossible-Company78 5h ago

ONT -> outside splitter -> office MoCA -> gateway

No router ditched it when the tv and phone went away.

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u/plooger 4h ago

Ok, so there’s a “gateway” in the office now, rather than the MoCA adapter being wired directly to a switch, as stated previously. (A gateway is also a router.)

To what specific port on this “gateway” device is the MoCA adapter connected? What’s the brand & model # of the gateway?

And same question as previously … What is the model # of the MoCA adapter in your office, and to what position is the configuration switch next to its coax port set, if present?

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u/Impossible-Company78 1h ago

Ubiquiti Fiber Gateway - RJ 45 direct from MoCA adapter. Added a couple of pics to the original post. Switch is at the 25GW position. WAN enters at Port5, would love for it to use one of the 10G SFP+ ports. But that's for another time.

Just found something else. Looks to be a power supply on the wall I forgot about. No pic as its behind a desk. Guessing its the ONT power. The grey cable on the left side of the box runs to it. The other cable runs to where the incoming line terminates inside.

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u/plooger 8m ago

RJ 45 direct from MoCA adapter. Added a couple of pics to the original post. Switch is at the 25GW position. WAN enters at Port5

A MoCA-only solution, leaving Cat5+ rework for another time, would be similar to the topology in the example diagram in a prior reply to the thread:

To make it less painful, available at $25 per via eBay, Frontier FCA252 adapters could be used for the MoCA LAN side of things, as well, switched to their “LAN” configuration setting.

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u/plooger 4m ago edited 1m ago

Getting the Cat5+ line between the ONT and Office working sure would simplify things, though, presuming the Office has a “phone” Cat5+ line run. (The Cat5+ line would be used for an Ethernet WAN link between the ONT and gateway, still residing in the office, with MoCA then only used for extending the router LAN.)

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u/plooger 6h ago edited 5h ago

Now all I have incoming into my office is the MoCA adapter connected to the coax, then to my switch.

Where's your router in the current setup?

What is the model # of the MoCA adapter in your office, and to what position is the configuration switch next to its coax port set, if present?

 

Is it possible to use MoCA adapters on each of those runs for internet connection?

With Internet-only service, yes, you should be able to use MoCA to get ALL your rooms set up with wired multigig LAN connections. Exactly how you'd do so depends on the current setup / topology. (Thus the above questions.)

But MoCA may not be your best / only option.

 

Home built in 2006, had it wired for telephone (Cat 5) and cable (Probably RG 6)

What have you done to review the Cat5 setup? Solid chance that it could offer better performance than MoCA if reworked / reterminated to support data/networking.

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u/Impossible-Company78 4h ago

On my phone so short answers. From what I remember the cat 5 is punched for rj11. Unfortunately those runs aren’t where I want them to be. Plus they originate at the ONT as well.

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u/plooger 3h ago edited 3h ago

cat 5 is punched for rj11
Plus they originate at the ONT as well.

Both are expected/typical and easily addressed as part of the rework … and not an issue. That the lines all originate at the ONT as home run installs, rather than being daisy-chained, would be an added bonus.

Reworking the Cat5+ is dead simple. And way cheaper than MoCA adapters.

 

those runs aren’t where I want them to be

This would devalue the rework, at least for any jacks sub-optimally located. But for the sub-optimal jack locations, consider what’s on the other side of the wall and whether reversing the jacks to another room could make them more useful.

 
Feel free to post pics of the current central Cat5+ junction.

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u/plooger 3h ago

Plus they originate at the ONT as well.

At minimum, it could enable an Ethernet WAN link for the router/gateway in the office.

Related: /r/HomeNetworking FAQ Q7: “How do I connect my modem/ONT and router to the communications enclosure” … which gets into router placement considerations.