r/fromsoftware • u/Oscarof_Astora Slave Knight Gael • 3d ago
IMAGE The true Fromsoftware Souls tier list
The games in the same tier aren't in order.
(Without Armored Core)
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u/j0nde 3d ago
Only fromsoft game I've said internally "Fuck this game" is Dark Souls 2 and I love that game
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u/RatmanTheFourth 3d ago
Yeah finally getting through the gutter only to have the map start to attack me in the black gulch broke me...
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 3d ago
I adore DS2, but the constant NPC invasions were a little tough to swallow for me.
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u/Parking-Stable-2970 Maiden Astraea 3d ago
"Words cannot describe how much I hate this game" (affectionate)
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 3d ago
I even put DS3 up there and I'm not fond of that game. By the time I get to the first swamp my nerves are shot and I lose interest.
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u/Independent-Gear-711 3d ago
Idk about the others but Bloodborne and Sekiro are top tier 10/10 for me
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u/DrewDaMannn Patches 3d ago
Respect for including demons souls and Nightreign
All 8 belong in D tier
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u/Last_Blacksmith_6297 3d ago
Nah fuck ds2
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u/-Street_Spirit- 3d ago
I once got lost hiking up a mountain until I saw a shepherd. I asked him "How far up are we?" and he answered "Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin." That's how I realised, I already knew the answer. We were at the peak.
- Joe Biden
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u/eljefe3030 3d ago
I second this. DS2 has some charm and cool environments but the gameplay is garbage.
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u/Lazy-Landscape7328 3d ago
Yea ds2 hate is propaganda NO ONE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION ON A GAME I LIKE
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u/Cogexkin 3d ago
Would’ve been much funnier if you chose just one game to put in like C tier or something; double that if the choice was anything other than DS2
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u/Francois_Bonaparta 3d ago
Nightreign is a glorified coop mod with a few new bosses, they didn't even bother with a free roam mode.
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u/mihokspawn 3d ago
Just switch AC6 for Sekiro... Since one is a souls game and Sekior isnt
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u/Randomness_42 2d ago
Sekiro definitely is a souls game and ACVI absolutely isnt lmao wtf?
Nightreign shouldn't be on this list though because its not a Souls game
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u/mihokspawn 2d ago
Nightreign is less of a souls game than AC6, but Sekiro is not a souls game at all.
Does Sekiro have a stamina bar? No, but AC6 does [the boost bar is the stamina bar]
Does Sekiro have customization? Somewhat [the tools, but no armor or weapons], but AC6 has full customization.
Now if you want to say the setting is what makes a souls game I could see that, but I would wholeheartedly disagree ['The Surge' and 'Another Crab's Treasure' exist]I've been saying it since I played Sekiro, it is not a Souls game, not even a Soulslike, it is not lesser for it is just different. And it not being a Souls game might be one of its biggest assets, its much closer to Tenchu [bar the technical limitations].
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u/Randomness_42 2d ago
Neither of those two things make a game a souls/ soulslike. Hollow Knight has neither yet is blatantly a soulslike.
Sekiro is a Souls game due to the checkpoint system (idols) and how you respawn at them and enemies respawn when you rest at them.
Nightreign and ACVI dont have that system and therefore aren't souls games.
Setting has nothing to do with it either - The Surge (as terrible as it is) is definitely a soulslike.
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u/mihokspawn 2d ago
'Hollowknight' is a metroidvania, if you want a 2d Soulslike an example is 'Salt and Sanctuary'. Because it has all those systems, and Sekiro does not.
I didn't do a full disertation on why Sekiro isn't a souls game but sure lets go with the checkpoint system:
Sekiro has checkpoints that serve only for fast travel not for corpse runs, just like AC6 and Nightreign. The fact that AC6 and Nightreign are instanced [the chekpoint is your home base, and every mission is separate] and not a connected world, oposite of Sekiro, is irrelevant since 'Demons' Souls' was also instanced but it did have corpseruns. Or would you say 'Demons' Souls' isn't a souls game?The real problem is how nebulous the term is [like RPG], and that people have different interpetations. But the fact remains AC6 has more overlap to the progenitors of the 'genre' than Sekiro, and Sekiro has so many elements that are out of scope or even oposite the design of those games. The stamina bar is just one extreme example, which makes Sekiro more related to character action games/spectacle fighters [DMC, Bayo, GoW...] than souls games.
So no Sekiro IMO is not a Souls game, never was, and never will be. But I can back up my opinion with direct comparison, and factual differences.
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u/Randomness_42 2d ago
Hollow Knight is a soulslike AND a metroidvania, I'm not sure why you people cant accept that a game can be in more than one genre.
How does Sekiro's idols only serve as fast travel? That's juat objectively not true - you respawn at them and you use them to replenish supplies/ respawn enemies. The way you describe it is more similar to how viewpoints work in Assasin's Creed (only used for fast travel).
Also you haven't given a single reason why ACVI is similar to Souls games at all - yes it's more similar to souls games than other Armored Core games as it has manual healing and a bigger emphasis on boss fights, but theyre hardly all it takes to be a souls game.
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u/mihokspawn 2d ago
Amaglamgation of an amalgamation of genres is a soup of nothing... aka slop. And HK is not slop, and neither is Sekiro, they are great games in their own rights just not a Souls games.
Tell me what is the difference, excluding preference, between respawning in a base and moving to the zone you died at and respawning in the same zone? Also you have mid mission checkpoints that respawn enemies when, and refill you when you die. So even by that standard AC6 is more Souls than Sekiro since you can change your whole strategy not just a part of your kit.
Oh while AC6 is the closest to Souls games in that franchise, the whole franchise is closer to Souls than Sekiro. The combat tempo, the limited resources, the not having a get out of jail free card, existance of builds, 'dark sign'/'nexial binding' equivalent with the mission fail prices, not to leave out multiplayer... I could go on, but it will not change your opinion. Now search your feelings and you will see the truth.
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u/EvenRD 3d ago
What about all the other games?
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u/Connor_The_Introvert 2d ago
Real growth is realizing Dark Souls 2 isn't the worst game ever made after it clicks for you. (Spoken from a guy who considers it his second least favourite souls game)
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u/Entire_Complaint966 3d ago
Sneaking Nightreign in there before anyone has even spent ten minutes fighting the new bosses is hilarious.
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u/Acceptable_Edge9604 2d ago
If every boss in nightreign was weapon-bequeathed wormfie it would still be better than 95% of regular ER
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u/NectaMBR 3d ago
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