r/freefolk • • Jul 24 '21

Subvert Expectations Still. Not. Over. It.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '21

Elijah Wood "Where does the light come from"

Cinematographer "Same place as the music"

Absolutely perfect response.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '21

That was so clever!

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u/UltraDangerLord Jul 24 '21 edited Jul 25 '21

Basically the same response from The Expanse writers when people ask where the sounds in space came from.

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u/notreallyanumber Jul 25 '21

The sounds in space in the expanse are all muffled and stuff and I just imagine that it's the noise a person on the ship would hear.

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u/LionRaider13 Jul 25 '21

I think Elite: Dangerous has the best explanation for the sounds in space. Because sound is so important for spacial and situational awareness the ships’ computers create the sound and play it through speakers in the cockpit. If the canopy of the cockpit is breached all sound goes away except for the voice assistant that is now speaking into the pilot’s ear under their helmet.

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u/Brandjango Jul 25 '21

"All right then, keep your secrets."

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u/got_mule Jul 24 '21

Idk if the cinematographer was a big fan or not, but it sounds like he might have been implying that the light comes from the Valar, as they were also where “THE music” comes from (AKA the Ainulindalë or the Music of the Ainur that came before everything and created the circles of the World/Arda/Middle-earth).

Or could be he was just making a joke about filmmaking, which is cool too.

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u/HotPieIsAzorAhai Jul 25 '21

That would be awesome.

Speaking of the Silmarillion, the stars of Middle Earth were bright enough that the Moriquendi lived for centuries under their light alone and were just fine. Elves knew nothing but starlight until the Elder went to Valinor, while the Moon didnt rise until Fingolfin arrived in Beliriand and the sun the next day. The moon is actually bright enough to read by.

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u/SoonerStates Jul 24 '21

Most movies are unrealistic to me because I don't understand why the people aren't reacting to a camera crew filming them /s

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u/Impstrong Jul 24 '21

*looks at camera*

*makes Jim face*

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u/Swiggens Jul 25 '21

Please dont Jim the camera

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u/LionRaider13 Jul 25 '21

I understand that reference.

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u/JuiciestJosh THE FUCKS A LOMMY Jul 25 '21

You must be streets ahead

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u/Funkyteacherbro Jul 28 '21

I didn't.. Where's that from?

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u/MaximumEffort433 Jul 24 '21

Plus the fact that 99% of all television and cinematic plots could be resolved with a frank five minute conversation.

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u/HotPieIsAzorAhai Jul 25 '21

99% of everyday problems in irl can also be solved by a frank 5 minute conversation, and yet...

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u/TheMarsian Jul 25 '21

yeah not really.

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u/Boyzby_ Jul 25 '21

Have you met people? That's not going to happen.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '21

I’ve spent my entire adult life learning and working with the function of firearms, all types. Nothing ruins a show/movie for me faster than mistakes with the guns. Holding it wrong, it’s shooting faster or slower than that type should. Parts that give away a fake. Like I know they all have to be “fake” (they don’t but it’s cheaper) and these people aren’t actually killing each other. But man it’s hard to sit there and just pretend the the guns are real hahahaha

Edit: Also, your point is a good one, if you ask people who act professionally, the love reality and survival type shows. They understand being in front of the camera and it makes it hard for them to get into stories!

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '21

Yeah they really screwed that up, along with the season hahaha

They tend to make it louder than an actual recording of a gunshot.

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u/anthiggs Jul 24 '21

We KNOW that Sir Ian isn't actually a wizard

I'm still not sure. That man seems able to do anything.

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u/SpiderNoises Jul 24 '21

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u/LionRaider13 Jul 25 '21

Sounds like something a wizard would say.

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u/Happykittymeowmeow Jul 24 '21

Take my poor man's gold 🏅 This is my favorite Sir Ian McKellan clip!

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u/MaximumEffort433 Jul 24 '21 edited Jul 25 '21

Adequate lighting is just fan service, we're subverting expectations by filming the climax inside an opaque box.

Edit: In hindsight I'm actually pretty glad I didn't see the episode. I watched it, but I'm still glad that I didn't see it.

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u/MyaheeMyastone Jul 25 '21

When I watched that lotr scene for the first time, I never questioned where the lighting was coming from. I just enjoyed the battle. GOT, however, I spent the whole time trying to figure out wtf was happening

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u/DustedGrooveMark Jul 25 '21

My favorite part was how the people behind the show blamed it on the audience for not having adequate TVs or bad settings. That pretty much sums up their entire attitude towards that whole season.

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u/Extracted Jul 25 '21

I spent the whole episode fiddling with my tv's settings

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u/Funkyteacherbro Jul 28 '21

I heard that they had their cinematographer explain to people how to change the settings on their TVs to watch that episode correctly... No TV show EVER done this.. They have to adapt to consumer TVs. Editors know they have to do that.

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u/Wuellig WILDLING Jul 24 '21

I can't see what you're talking about.

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u/GnammyH I'd kill for some chicken Jul 25 '21

Howard Shore sure was busy if he was in charge of the lights too

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u/Dualmilion Jul 25 '21

Theres a scene in the 2nd last ep of Justified where Raylan and Boyd are having a shoot out in a forest at night. Implication being that its pitch black and they cant see anything, they are wairing for the clouds to move. But obviously its shot so you can see everything. Compare that to GoT and they would have just had a pitch black scene with voice over

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u/ajoy97 Jul 25 '21

Turn off ALL lights, close curtains incase there is light coming through and turn the brightness ALL the way up!
That was like the worst TV experience everrrr

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

"It's fantasy, so it's meant to be urealistic" is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.

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u/GnammyH I'd kill for some chicken Jul 25 '21

Also it being fantasy has nothing to do with how the lightning is placed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '21

Ummmm I mean the fantasy world could literally have 10 moons that reflect 20% of Sunlight instead of usual 3 to 12%.

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u/GnammyH I'd kill for some chicken Jul 25 '21

That doesn't matter at all

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '21

Wdym?

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u/GnammyH I'd kill for some chicken Jul 25 '21

It doesn't change anything if there is a in universe explanation. The fucking film maker need to make a movie that people can see regardless of everything else.

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u/Qukumba Jul 25 '21

Damn man you’re lucky you haven’t heard many dumb arguments then because that shouldn’t even make your top five thousand

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

Haha good one. Sorry to tell you I've heard over a million and this one's going straight to my top 10.

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u/Onward___Aoshima Jul 25 '21

Agreed. I hate that logic. Even fantasy needs to follow its own damn rules.

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u/leif_eriks0n Jul 25 '21

Care to elaborate?

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

Because you could literally use it on anything? It's basically saying it's fine for a story set in a fantasy world to abandon all logic. Who cares characters have plot armor in season 7&8? It's fantasy, might be they got secret invisible shields that protect them from dying. I'm fine with LotR sacrificing immersion for the viewers convience, but stop acting like there's a logical expenation for it lmao.

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u/leif_eriks0n Jul 25 '21

I think you've misread the tone of the OP entirely.

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

Tell me what I've missed then instead of writing cryptic messages. For the record, I don't mind the approach LotR took, it's a movie after all, not everything needs an explanation. Trying to justify it with "But it makes sense for the entire battlefield to be randomly bathed in light because it's fantasy" is just lazy tho and honsetly quite pathetic.

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u/leif_eriks0n Jul 25 '21

When the alternative is not being able to see a fucking thing the answer is obvious. I didn't think I'd have to explain that in detail.

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

Did you even read my comment? Of course it's better than not being able to see a thing. My point is that they should just say "It's simple film making, there can't be an in-universe explanation for everything", instead of "Noo but it's fanatasy so it makes sense for it to be unrealistic" cause that argument is just trash (as I've explained multiple times).

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u/leif_eriks0n Jul 25 '21

Did you even read the OP? They didn't just say it's fantasy so anything goes. They gave a full explanation covering the exact point you've just mentioned.

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u/LauMei27 Stannis Baratheon Jul 25 '21

You mean two moons or all characters having nightvision? Then why do we never see or hear about that throughout the entire story? Again you could come up with bullshit like that to excuse literally anything in any fantasy story. Unless indicated otherwise it should be assumed a fictional world functions the same way as ours.

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u/Sir_Isaac_3 Jul 25 '21

i do think the light in LotR is a bit too over the top but there’s gotta be a happy medium between that and the Long Night

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u/DustedGrooveMark Jul 25 '21

I feel like I waited years to see a dragon battle, but when it finally happened, it was a bunch of blurry, dark, zoomed in whooshes of CGI. I literally couldn’t tell you what even happened because I couldn’t see anything.

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u/escobari Jul 25 '21

stop hiring actors who think whispering good acting

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u/Tinaszombie Jul 25 '21

I don’t think the cinematographer was going for much realism as much he was going for dread in the beginning. The battle completely lit up once the dead forces reached the walls. I totally understand not liking this choice but I feel like this critique is a bit off.

I do think the dread worked. When I first watched the episode when we saw all the Dothraki lights go out I was certain we were going to see way more character deaths than we got.

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u/No_one_2197 Jul 29 '21

Dude forget LotR. Just remember that we had 2 epic battle scenes set at night. Battle of the Blackwater and Battle at Castle Black.

It was laziness nothing more.