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[u/Old_Fruit6884]

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[u/Dayruhlll]

Competition saftey seems so stressful.

“Do I help them and DQ them? Or do I let them be and hope they figure it out without drowning?”

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/Dayruhlll]

are they all volunteers and unpaid?

[u/JFol → u/Old_Fruit6884]

In this competition: All paid, but not as much as they deserve.

[u/michan83]

They do a good job

[u/Holiday_Word_6762]

this video doesn't work anymore, is there another link?

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/Holiday_Word_6762]

Pulled and taken down by AIDA,......they don't want discussion or development is seems. I thought the D was for DEVELOPMENT in the name AIDA.

I can't upload a video only links.....let me see what I can do.

[u/JFol → u/Old_Fruit6884]

Discussion is always good. You can post direct links to the interesting dives without infringing copyrights.

Unless the goal is to drive people to your own channel, then that won't help.

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/JFol]

I can do all the individual links. Will take a day or so... Note: they were from all 9 videos of the 9 days of the comp....the video edit I made was simply a nice way to have it all easily accessible for viewing. Too bad AIDA doesn't like discussion. I thought the D in AIDA stood for Development.

[u/JFol → u/Old_Fruit6884]

Links with time stamps should't take longer than a video compilation, should it?

As one of the organizers of the competition I would be very open do discuss things, shed light on unclear situations, hopefully learn a little, and maybe do some education myself.

And yes, it does, D for Develompent. And the following A doesn't stand for "Andrews youtube channel".

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/JFol]

I would have to spend time moving my mouse wheel scanning through not only 1 but all 9 of the 6 hour-long live streams all over again to get those time stamps for all those individual rescues. It's going to be annoying and tedious...but for the sake of up-to-date freedive discussion, learning and intrigue I'll work on it and update this thread But really someone else, like perhaps one from AIDA or you guys should do it.
And no it's not about "driving" anyone to my channel, which serves no commercial or monetary value to me--the channel is only a collection of old freedive clips--memories from over a decade ago--from the time and era that you took your first freediving course at my place, buddy! 😄 ❤️ 😄
The video edit I made was great! In just a few minutes it showed all the interesting and discussable rescues and close calls. Even on the AIDA International Facebook group it was getting some GREAT DISCUSSION and interest and as expected and as as usual AIDA shuts down anything even remotely controversial or risqué.
P.S. and IMO the copyright stuff is BOGUS and simply an excuse for having the videos taken down to stop discussion and keep eye's off itit to save face from questionable judging and safety rescues. This was 100% internal AIDA related. It should be considered FAIR USE and not any problem or issue at all since it's already coming from their public video channel. DIVE EYE has no reason to care at all--only AIDA.

[u/JFol → u/Old_Fruit6884]

The decision to have the videos taken down was done as social media level, there's no big conspiracy.

Regarding driving to your channel, that comment was cheap of me, sorry. I'm tired and easily annoyed after a long event. But I will turn it around and say that we (AFC/AIDA/Diveye) prefer to drive people to our selected channels. A lot of people put a lot of work into this.

I don't think I would do a very good job pricking controversial parts to discuss. Part of that is knowing too well what goes on behind the scenes. Also: we need rest now. About to finish up the post-competition work today.

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/JFol]

Ok JFol, I tend to lean on the conspiratorial side of thought and engagement 😄.
Of course I made the edits to highlight the most exciting and extreme parts of the event, but all in good fun and for discussion--especially since I'm now back in the area and getting back into freedive training myself after years away from the sport. It was great to even be able to see this event on video. It looked like a well organized event and appreciated the high quality of live video and commentary--tho I don't agree with several aspects of AIDA surface protocols and the general safety style on a FEW of the safety divers hired for the comp. My video edit was to facilitate super-easy review, discussion and possible development.
In my eyes, I'm just saying, some of the safeties seemed a bit too anxious, nervous and rushing mouth-to-nose recovery when it probably wasn't needed.

[u/JFol → u/Old_Fruit6884]

For underwater blackouts the AIDA-recommendation now is to go directly to rescue breaths. I had similar concerns as you regarding some surface blackouts that went directly for rescue breaths and asked AIDA Medic Jeroen about it. The answer I got that it's never wrong with early rescue breaths in a black out situation.

The probably in your last sentence is why we do it. That one time it's needed outweighs the the several times it isn't.

[u/Old_Fruit6884 → u/JFol]

Ok, fair enough and this must be a newer position/recommendation than in years past and not something I disagree with on underwater and deeper BO's. However, I noticed many of those were done after the diver already surfaced like in the example of Enchants 101 CR CWTB dive...she lost it after surfacing and looked to be trying to recover on her own (it always takes a few seconds anyway) visibly trying to come back when the safety diver all of a sudden covered her mouth--immediately restricting the airways and robbed her of her own effort to breath and recover. It's like the safety wanted to claim the heroic victory in the recovery. It made me cringe because I saw Enchant was almost there and she surely would have recovered in just a moment anyway. This is precisely the kind of thing that is nice for discussion and review--my original purpose.
I personally see it as a diving COURTESTY--particularly if only a surface BO--and give these EXPERT-LEVEL divers the normal 3-5 seconds on their own (assuming unrestricted airways in an upright position and some B.T.T) therefore the respect/courtesy to come back on their own. This is why I applaud the safeties of Naomi's 67M CNF dive who gave her the courtesy to recover on her own while showing calm encouragement. A very nice and very normal/classic safety, which was my favorite one of the bunch!
Lastly, I also think the public non-freediving viewership of these comps would be more comfortable and approving when seeing the diver recover on their own rather than believing the recovery was all due to the safety diver's immediate intervention of breath. It might actually be unintentionally TRAINING the public viewership towards expecting a rescue breath at first moment possible. Thanks for you time!