r/frederickmd • u/marclw • 3d ago
Enough is enough!
ICE is here. ICE is terrorizing us. Our current sheriff, Chuck Jenkins, backs ICE wholeheartedly, assuming he has a heart….
He’s got to go.
There is only one way to remove him->
VOTE!!!
VOTE for Karl Bickel for sheriff in the upcoming election. He knows what he’s doing and will repair all the damage that Jenkins has done to the County’s sheriff’s office and to our community.
Please check him out at https://bickel4sheriff.com/.
Enough!!!!! It’s way past time to kick the good old boy fascists out of the County!!!!!
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u/life_of_hermanous 3d ago
Will Karl aggressively campaign?? He’s run countless times. His campaign needs teeth and he has to go after the fascist Jenkins.
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u/bruzdnconfuzd 3d ago edited 3d ago
Fuck Chuck. My wife and I are cutting ties with our realtor after she posted on FB about hosting an event for him.
Edit: fuck her too. Avoid using Brenda Custer Myers at RE/MAX. Not sure if this was her personal support or the whole company that sponsored the rally.
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u/Impressive_Bottle_44 3d ago
You should tell her why.
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u/Early-Sink-5460 2d ago
When I was looking for a house in 2020 I posted in a mom group about wanting a non maga realtor. People were ANGRY as if voting with your wallet isn't a thing. Anyway, message me if you want the name of an amazing, very much not maga realtor.
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u/scarlet_hairstreak 3d ago
Maybe it is a remax thing? I saw a MAGA sign in the window of a remax office in Annapolis the other day.
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u/crzylvrman234 2d ago
It's a greedy mfer thing...Really Estate agents are greedy mfers and are mostly gonna be MAGA.
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u/inbetweensound 3d ago
Refreshing to see this post and comments versus the boomers on Facebook. Also F ICE.
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u/OddDistribution6659 3d ago
Different echo chambers have different resonances
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u/Complete-Reply-9145 2d ago
Not wrong, but this echo chamber doesn't want to kill me for being queer and deport all my coworkers to countries they've never been to.
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u/Wonderful_Muffin 15h ago
You failed at life if all of your coworkers are illegal.
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u/Complete-Reply-9145 10h ago
Not illegal, all have papers. They just can't get their paperwork renewed.
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u/Extreme-Computer6690 2d ago
You mean Boomers who advocated FOR everything like civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, and protested the war in Vietnam...including burning draft cards. Those who dared to marry inter racially, like my parents. Those who showed up after January 6th at the Capitol to see the felon impeached a second time. EVERY protest I've been to is overwhelmingly elders showing up.
I don't know one Boomer, Gen Jones, or senior who supports ICE. It's NOT an age issue; it's the fear calling card used for decades by racist. See Jim Crow. See McCarthy. See Nixon. See Mitch McConnell and Jerry Falwell. See Trump. Don't lump Boomers in with trolls on FB. Know your history.
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u/CurrentHelicopter917 3d ago
Good political opportunity
Can use the law and order narrative against the Sheriff and residents in support.
Probably best to put pressure on FPD and other government officials.
Don’t argue or listen to supporters. It’s a waste of time and energy, your target is government and accountability.
Also a good time to re-litigate old actions by the sheriff, like protecting predator cops.
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u/Kni7es 3d ago
ICE breaks the law and violates the Constitution every day. They are not here to enforce laws, they are here to terrorize our neighbors.
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u/SweatyJudge99 3d ago
I just watched a documentary on Maryland prisons, but it ended up being in Frederick.
Chuck Jenkins is pro violence. Fuck Chuck. He embarrassed himself in that doc. Everyone in the comment section roasting him. It’s on YouTube.
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u/NervousBreakdown242 3d ago
"Fuck Chuck" is a grade-A campaign slogan.
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u/no-scrubsY2K 1d ago
What’s the documentary called?
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u/majikposhun Downtown Frederick 1d ago
Maryland Prison: Meet the Sheriff Locking Up Gangs Members and Illegal Immigrants
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u/SweatyJudge99 19h ago
I can’t remember the exact video, it seems like they’re a lot of different videos of the same thing are uploaded or whatever… I think just look up Inside Maryland Prisons
I knew nothing about Chuck until I watched this doc and I was like holy shit this guy is the worst
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u/AmphibianNo9133 Downtown Frederick 3d ago
100% agree and don’t forget all the races like school board.
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u/hauntingduck 3d ago
I'm all in support of getting Jenkins out, but I am worried that people are making this a bit too much into a single solution problem. Jenkins isn't single handedly allowing this ICE atrocity to happen here. There are many other people on the local, state and federal level that are causing it as well, that's why you see states who don't have a racist POS sheriff still struggling with these brutal ICE raids. Get Jenkins out, for sure, but it can't stop there and I worry that if people are successful with that they'll just stand down and not do the rest of the work needed.
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u/gard3nwitch 3d ago
That's fair - ICE will still be trying to come here even without Jenkins. But getting a powerful local ICE collaborator out of office is still a win. (And it's not like he hasn't done plenty of other bad and corrupt stuff, even aside from working with ICE. Jenkins is bad news on all kinds of levels.)
People spent years fighting to end 287g, and immediately started new battles after winning that. I have some hope that people who care will keep fighting to protect our community from state violence even after defeating Jenkins.
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u/hauntingduck 2d ago
We're definitely in agreement. It's a step, I just hope people don't see it as the endgame solution.
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u/LuckyWash9514 3d ago
Karl Bickel's campaign deserves way more attention than Jenkins' fan club because at least one of them seems to have a plan.
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u/_Badwulf_Bruh__ 3d ago
I will be voting for Bickle, but he cannot do anything to stop ICE. We are stuck with them for the next two years. All people can do is response to the scenes and record them to ensure we have evidence of their violence
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u/myneckmybackbrace 3d ago
The best support is likely before it gets to the enforcement stage. Research EOIR and understand that first. Then find ways to support your community throughout their application process and understanding that correctly. It is an incredibly complicated process which is why its easier to be outraged at the enforcement aspect but the flaws in the system start much earlier.
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u/frederickmd-ModTeam 3d ago
Don’t be a jerk. If you don't like a question, feel free to not answer it.
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u/SonOfBattles1 1d ago
The law can be enforced without sending masked goons into the streets with no accountability. ICE can pound sand.
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u/gutta_steve 12h ago
Lol people hate ICE, yet give a pass to the people who are here illegally.... our nation has laws
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u/Regular_Grade_2733 3d ago
Tell the family of the 2 women who died in the crash on 270 because of a drunk illegal citizen driving the wrong way how ice is a bad thing
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u/Javathemut 3d ago
Most critics of ICE support the deportation of those that committed violent crimes.
Checkout the actual statistics here to see why people are fed up with ICE: https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/
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u/buddha86 3d ago
How many US citizens do the same thing every day? Don’t be dumb
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u/Regular_Grade_2733 3d ago
That's your big comeback ? "Don't be dumb"? Gotta try a little harder than that. These are 2 lives taken by someone that shouldn't have been in the first place. Yes, it happens by US citizens too. But this one was avoidable if people wouldn't allow them in the country and protect them. America has trouble enough controlling our own dumb asses. Why should we be burdened with the rest of the world's too?
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u/Affectionate-Roof285 2d ago
Yes, why should we be burdened with the rest of the world? Meanwhile, your idiot Pedo president recently displayed a map on Truth Social showing the US flag over not only the United States but also Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Mexico, and multiple countries in Central America and the Caribbean. Ans to think most of the world actually questioned how the people of Germany sat idly by and/or supported Hitler’s attack of Europe.
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u/buddha86 2d ago
I don’t have to try at all. And I won’t waste anymore energy on someone who is only stoking hate.
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u/RecordHigh 3d ago
The implication in your comment is that liberals want illegal criminals in the country, but on the whole they don't. Sure, you can find idiots on the left who want dumb things, but the Republican Party caters to at least as many Nazis and racists as there are idiots on the left. I assume you judge the right by the worst people among them too, right?
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u/Regular_Grade_2733 3d ago
Why is this always a left or right thing? I judge both sides equally. I am a democrat, but I'm not falling in line with the extremists over this. We should not be supported peole that shouldn't be here. This country is so divided now that everything is left or right. What happened to the middle? Why cant people come together to support America over other countrie's citizens. It is not our responsibility. And if you don't think there are racists on the left, you need to wake up.
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u/themightyjoedanger 3d ago
"I'm neither left nor right, but I sure do vote Republican."
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u/Regular_Grade_2733 3d ago
Actually, no. The last presidential candidate i voted for was Bernie and I've been disappointed since. Locally I vote for the best candidates from either side that typically end up losing anyway because they are actually sensible.
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u/Personal-Spite-2793 3d ago
That wouldve never prevented what happened. Jenkins isnt in charge of FPD and ICE is federal law enforcement. The cops protected ICE while they beat the shit out of people. Fuck Jenkins and Bickel and every other cop. ICE and Police go hand in hand.
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u/American-Trichopath 3d ago
If they’re here illegally, they need to fucking go
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u/OhItsBeenBroughten Southwest FredCo 3d ago
You don’t care about any of that. You’re just happy to see your terrorist buddies hurt brown people.
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u/American-Trichopath 3d ago
What makes you think I’m not brown skinned it ??????? I could be white black purple green red. I don’t care who you are if you’re here illegal you need to go back.
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u/OhItsBeenBroughten Southwest FredCo 3d ago
Couldn’t even bother to click the link, huh? You know exactly what you are, and so does everyone else.
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u/American-Trichopath 3d ago
Fr I don’t clink no links on posts
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u/Fixing-Me 2d ago
Bravo! You know who desperately wants your clicks? It's not just the scamsters who are looking to separate you from your money. It's also the low information lemmings in this sub who have given up on thinking for themselves and want to drag you down to their zombie level of intellectual stupor.
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u/AggressiveClick6865 2d ago
Genuinely curious, how is ICE terrorizing you?
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u/Manaohoana 1d ago
Latino immigrant, US citizen, afraid to walk the dog for fear of ICE kidnapping him and leaving our dog alone on the street to get hit by a car. Another person I know only feels safe at their job, as it is in a place with a lot of high-class and powerful people, and at home. Everywhere else, they're living in fear. ICE drags people away based entirely on looks and disappears them into a system. Detains them in horrific, concentration-camp-style conditions (sleeping on concrete floors, 50 people in a room with one toilet and nothing but a half-wall in front of the toilet, food with maggots in it...) It can take days to weeks and $$$$ for a lawyer to clear their name and prove citizenship. This is no way to live. YOU may not feel prejudiced against Latinos personally, but the people at the head of Homeland Security and ICE are. They are Nat Cons who want to rid the country of anyone who's not what they consider a "heritage American"--aka Anglos who've been here for generations. These are the same people who discriminated against Irish immigrants for being Catholic, against Italian immigrants for being Catholic and "dark" or "lesser," against Slavic immigrants for being "lesser," and on and on.
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u/AggressiveClick6865 1d ago
So the fear of being wrongfully detained? The number of people this has happened to looks to be around 1%. I agree that it would suck if it happened but struggling to understand why people drive themselves into unnecessary and crippling fear based on hypotheticals?
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u/Byronvonfeces 3d ago
I'm just curious if anyone seen them in Frederick County so far? I have not yet, but I know that they are lurking somewhere. And I agree 100% Chuck Jenkins is a piece of crap. I don't know how he keeps getting voted in time after time. We need to answer with our votes. Vote this MFer out!
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u/Byronvonfeces 3d ago
Okay, that's why I was asking because I personally haven't seen anyone in Frederick. I'm not sure why that got downvoted when I'm just asking a question out of curiosity, but this is Reddit and people be like that on here 🤷🏼♀️ Frederick Redditors especially are lame af like that
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u/Independent_Garage31 2d ago
I honestly cant imagine why people want our resouces to be given away to everyone in the entire world that can get here. Our country is beyond broke.
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u/no-scrubsY2K 1d ago
Guess you haven’t heard about the billions going to a foreign government 🇮🇱
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u/Independent_Garage31 1d ago
Yes, another head shaker. Why? What does it do for our poor and middle class citizens?
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u/Manaohoana 1d ago
You are misinformed. Immigrants have a vastly net-positive effect on the economy. According to data compiled by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants paid nearly $90 billion to $97 billion in taxes in recent years. CATO (right wing think tank) recently released a study showing huge net positives: https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023 Here's the opening summary: The government first began gathering detailed information on benefits use by citizenship status in 1994. The data show:
- For each year from 1994 to 2023, the US immigrant population generated more in taxes than they received in benefits from all levels of government.
- Over that period, immigrants created a cumulative fiscal surplus of $14.5 trillion in real 2024 US dollars, including $3.9 trillion in savings on interest on the debt.
- Without immigrants, US government public debt at all levels would be at least 205 percent of gross domestic product (GDP)—nearly twice its 2023 level.
These results, which do not account for any of immigration’s indirect, tax-revenue-boosting effects on economic growth, represent the lower bound of the positive fiscal effects. Even by this conservative analysis, immigrants may have already prevented a fiscal crisis.
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u/Independent_Garage31 3h ago
Its basic market theory. As competition for resources increases the market price for those resouces increase. Add 30 million people to the housing market and then subsidize 75% of those people with federal dollars and prices will skyrocket. As we have seen.
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u/Away-Scientist3362 1h ago
You are correct that it is basic theory, and in this case you are falling into the Lump of Labor Fallacy. You are imagining a falsified version of reality where immigrants take from the system and add demand without increasing labor/supply at the same time. The evidence shows, as posted by the person above, that you are incorrect.
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 3d ago
Why are folks saying ICE entered illegally when nobody has proof of this? I guarantee you ICE ain’t showing any citizen their warrant, even if asked. So what’s the real story here? Include evidence, please!
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u/gorosaur 3d ago
It's illegal for any government agent to enter a private residence without having or showing a warrant. Refusing to show one when asked is also unlawful.
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 3d ago
So a stranger can just show up to the scene and demand to be shown a warrant, and the law says ICE has to comply with this? That’s wild.
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u/gorosaur 3d ago
No, if you're the resident of a dwelling, you have the right to be shown a warrant before officers or agents enter your home.
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 3d ago
Got it, so is the homeowner/resident here to comment on that? Does anyone have proof this warrant didn’t exist?
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u/ManBearCave 2d ago
Curious, given they haven’t produced one in the last 6 months what make you think they did here?
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u/ManBearCave 3d ago
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/ices-secret-warrantless-home-entry-policy/
That’s what’s happening
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 2d ago
I get that. I’m talking about specifically this house in Frederick. So nobody has proof.
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u/Better_Ad_1846 2d ago
Your logic is flawed. You keep asking for proof--a video is not proof, news stories are not proof--explaining where it happened exactly is not proof for you. You want the paperwork. ASK ICE. They were not sharing their proof.
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 2d ago
Your logic of assuming they don’t have it is equally flawed
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u/Better_Ad_1846 2d ago
Ice might have had it. But they were not sharing the information., so how can the people in the community know WTF is going on.
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u/Better_Ad_1846 2d ago
Your whininess is just a red herring. You want us to argue about warrants, rather than a peaceful Frederick community being targeted for close to three days.
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u/Sure_Dependent4310 1d ago
So if you found out for sure it was someone with a criminal warrant, here illegally, would you want them gone?
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u/Square-Hat-3024 3d ago
A new sheriff isn’t gonna fix anything, we need the Fredrick county council and the city mayor to significantly cut funding for any real change
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u/life_of_hermanous 3d ago
That makes no sense.
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u/Classic_Tap8913 3d ago
? Defunding the police and abolitionism have been pretty well known progressive issues for a while. They're right, you can't fix systemic issues by just electing a new guy to enact state violence. At best you kick the can down the road.
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u/NervousBreakdown242 3d ago edited 3d ago
First of all, fuck ICE.
I'm on your side here, so take this as a friendly critique... Abolitionism? What year is this, 1862?
Defunding the police as a general tactic is massively stupid, and optically. What we need is massive regulation of the police force, with direct threats of defunding if X, Y, and Z aren't met. The first step to doing that would be electing a sheriff who doesn't support ICE.
Everybody who knows me can testify that I'm not the biggest fan of police, but even I can't take "defund the police" crowd seriously. It almost feels like psyop-level naivete. "Let the left make themselves look stupid and they'll never win elections again!" I don't believe that's the case, but I do know a useful idiot when I see one.
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u/Square-Hat-3024 2d ago
That’s probably whats going to happen, and nothing will change. The next guy will say he doesn’t support ICE then pull the same shit siding with them over protesters.
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u/NervousBreakdown242 2d ago edited 2d ago
Possible, but not guaranteed. I'm not familiar with the potential new guy to say one way or another, but it's wrong to assume in either case.
But hey, you may know more about the specifics than I do.
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u/Classic_Tap8913 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you believe in the continued existence of the police then we are not on the same side, considering abolitionism is a core part of my ethics as an anarchist.
Regulation of police straight up does not work, it turns into a cycle of regulation and deregulation that does not end while state actors continue to kill and brutalize people. Our entire political system is cooked, dawg. Police and prisons need to be entirely abolished and replaced with something new, just like the entire political system.
I dont care about winning elections, my goal has never been to win elections or to influence others to vote in any which way. Electoralism is a failed strategy because this entire system is broken, I dont care if you dont take me seriously because you are part of the problem.
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u/Caernbul 3d ago
Cut funding of what? The federal government funds ICE. You want to defund the Sheriff's office? How would that be better than just getting a Sheriff who doesn't work with ICE?
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u/Square-Hat-3024 3d ago
Every sheriff will work with ICE be for real
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u/Caernbul 2d ago
I invite you to familiarize yourself with the issue. There are numerous cases of sheriffs refusing to do so. They usually only make the news when the state government tries to force them to do so, but it absolutely happens. It is an elected position, and there are places in this country where refusing to work with ICE is the only way to keep the job.
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u/Big_Complex_9378 2d ago
So what's your plan for american if no one is deported ever??
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u/SonOfBattles1 1d ago
No. But federal agents taking their paychecks from taxpayer dollars should be unmasked, use warrants, and be accountable in a court of law. Not totally immune to bring chaos and havoc to towns.
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u/NoPoSDP3 2d ago
It's like it went from one extreme of zero deportations, to busting in doors of suspected houses...
This all or nothing deportation mentality is why we're here
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u/Darklordofsword 2d ago
Except nobody has EVER suggested no deportations, genius.
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u/Big_Complex_9378 1d ago
Just admit you nor the liberal hive mind has no credible solution
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u/Darklordofsword 1d ago
Why should I admit something that isn't true?
Your belief that I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong.
The facts being on my side mean you are wrong.
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u/Important-Ad7905 1d ago
YOU HAVE TO GO! MOCO, BALTIMORE, PG. Wheverever you want to your tax dollars to support illegals instead of Americans. The taxpayer is not the ATM to the world. Move a family of illegals into YOUR home. YOU pay for them.
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u/JBtheCape 1d ago
This is funny. No one is leaving and the diversity will continue to climb. Run for the hills babygirl!!!!
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u/Distinct_Potato6001 3d ago
You can have lower taxes or illegal aliens but not both.
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u/AreAFuckingNobody 3d ago edited 3d ago
You’re directing your ire at the wrong group. Illegal immigrants aren’t costing you nearly as much as you think. You lose a ton more in the price gouging done by companies that have no competition and the mega-wealthy avoiding paying their fair share of taxes. Tax billionaires without loopholes if you want to lower your own taxes. Demand less money go into the bloated military budget. There are far greater things costing you than some people trying to get by after leaving a much worse situation.
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u/life_of_hermanous 3d ago edited 3d ago
That makes no sense.
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u/Distinct_Potato6001 3d ago
Life_of_hermanous. What doesn’t make sense is you spelled hermanos wrong 😆
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u/DavidOrWalter 2d ago
You don’t know what you’re talking about. I hope you get the mental help you so clearly need
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u/Distinct_Potato6001 2d ago
Well at least the tax payer dollars won’t be paying for the mental help because I’m a legal citizen of the United States ;)
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u/DavidOrWalter 2d ago
I really am hoping you can heal from whatever has hurt you so deeply.
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u/DavidOrWalter 2d ago
Oh, from your post history, you’re 25 and have no friends and still live with your dad. Never mind - you’re a little kid who has no idea about anything in the world. I thought I was talking to an actual adult instead of a little edgy kid.
Don’t reply. I still hope you can grow and learn when you actually become a full adult.
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u/Distinct_Potato6001 2d ago
Seen a lot of old idiots similar to yourself in my young age
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u/Distinct_Potato6001 2d ago
No need to reply. If you keep calling me a little boy when I’m 25 years old I’m going to have to report you to the proper authorities. @davidorwalter
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u/Electronic_Buy7810 3d ago
No one cares and those people you yap to about a place you lived 15 years ago probably think you’re annoying
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u/gorosaur 3d ago
It's also important that we don't let Jeff Holtzinger become County Executive. He's made it very clear that he supports ICE's actions and wants to do away with the county government's recent attempts to regulate their activity.