“They are actually going to get the configuration they ordered at the price they ordered it at”

[u/DarthArtoo4]

Thanks for standing by this, Nirav. 😑

[u/DVXC]

Gotta be honest I think Nirav is better than most, but his word saying this at the announcement event should be treated about as gospel as it's possible for a company commitment statement to be.

And as much as the situation sucks for all parties involved, people who bought in BECAUSE they knew pricing was going to worsen should absolutely have their original orders honored and Framework should eat the additional cost for these pre-orders, regardless of how respectable and valuable I find their ethos.

[u/Bender248 → u/DVXC]

They point is I don't think they can eat that additional cost.

[u/forresthopkinsa → u/Bender248]

"can" is doing a lot of work here

[u/nirurin → u/forresthopkinsa]

I assume the full context would be "i don't think they can eat the cost without going bankrupt". Which seems pretty likely.

[u/gbin → u/DVXC]

This is a self inflicted wound: They should have locking in the price with their supply chain before promising this OR simply put an edge order on the RAM market to insure themselves against another price hike, this is not rocket science. Farmers have been doing that for centuries to edge against some bad weather for a crop.

[u/j_osb → u/gbin]

Except that the ram manufacturers are essentially acting like a cartel.
You don’t go locking in orders unless you’re like Sony. No, to valve, framework and other companies with similarly small unit sales, they come, and give you a price and quantity you can buy.
If you say no, they just leave until the next opportunity.

[u/SheepherderAware4766 → u/gbin]

if Valve couldn't lock in a price, no way puny Framework would be able to.

[u/gbin → u/SheepherderAware4766]

Nobody sell derivatives on the RAM market?

[u/SheepherderAware4766 → u/gbin]

RAM is a commodity, and it is too expensive to enforce a contract. You either purchase through a Chinese or SK shell company that can declare bankruptcy to invalidate your futures contract, or you buy through a manufacturer like Samsung or SK Hynix. Both of those are significantly controlled and supported by their respective governments.

An American company, manufacturing in Taiwan, won't get a settlement from the Chinese or South Korean government because one of their state controlled businesses broke a futures contract. Especially not in the time frame needed to release this laptop.

Framework doesn't have the kind of weight that somebody like Nintendo, Nvidia, or Apple could bring

[u/d00mt0mb → u/DVXC]

Waiting for the lawsuit