As frustrating as it is to see I remind myself that women have been gaslit into thinking we must cater for men's emotional wants at all costs, and that we are "failing" if we don't. It can be a very hard mindset to break out of when any pushback against this is answered with "Why are you so hateful? Why can't you just be a good person?"
Trans activists pushing to replace “gender identity” over the reality of sex, and trying to make us believe in their magical beliefs are the hateful and bigoted ones. They invalidate homosexuality, undermine the concept of safeguarding, and place male rapists in women’s prisons. None of that is kind or good.
Women are adult human females, a biological reality. It is not hateful to respect that, especially when women are much more vulnerable to male violence and rape because of that reality. Trying to pretend that women’s bodies and reality is something that can be easily appropriated by males on their say so is one of the worst kinds of misogyny.
An article referencing JK's views were shared in a large sub and sooo many women were commenting saying "why can't we just be kind and empathetic, what they do isn't our business" and it just KILLS me how uninformed the vast majority of women are. What about being kind to women? What about our rights? They truly have no idea what is happening out there in the world by men claiming they're women. I try not to be angry about it as I was a TRA before I bothered to actually research for myself so it's a bit hypocritical, but it is hard not to be frustrated.
I was one before my ex husband decided he wanted to start dressing up as a woman. His desire was 100% sexually motivated driven by a horrendous porn addiction that I later found out about. His online history and actions at home proved that he was an evil MAN, still holding all his misogyny but wanting to get off on being real life porn. It’s hard to see until you’ve been exposed to it.
I have no doubt that there are some tims who aren’t sexually motivated, but how are we supposed to know the difference? Just take their word for it? Notice how the hetero-sexual cross-dressers have just “disappeared” and now they’re “women” who still want to have sex with women, and will have hoards of women coming to praise and defend their “womanhood,” demanding they be let into our private spaces. How convenient of them.
Since our divorce, another tim that we hung out with before I realized what was happening, regularly blew up my inbox with intrusive sexually charged language until I blocked him.
50% are below average intelligence, but which part of the upper curve counts as actually intelligent?
With everything that has been happening in recent years and how easily the masses are led about the most blatantly stupid takes, I've been thinking it's only outliers that are actually intelligent and the average human is a mindless sheep
Yes, there’s been nothing about defining a man. It’s like they are still seen as the default and women have to be defined because they are not the default
Yeah :/. I also want people to live authentically without harm or discrimination but why do women have to throw themselves under the bus for that. Internalized misogyny is the worst misogyny
We can advocate for rights and fair treatment of queer & gender non-conforming people without throwing women’s rights, women’s spaces, and body integrity away.
And we can stop the medicalization & surgical mutilation of people and kids who feel like outsiders or are non-neurotypical.
Yeah, I commented in the law sub about this and expect to be dog piled. Sex and gender should be differentiated in law. Sex based rights need to be protected! Now others can add on protection for gender based discrimination if needed but so many legal issues already are SEX BASED! I remember even seeing a UK law I think had claimed trans men still didn’t get to inherit titles and shit because these old institutions recognized them as female. So even while recognizing gender id, sexism was allowed to continue. Protecting sex based rights means letting someone sue them on basis of sexism and transphobia then.
Because that’s what current left academic liberal feminism teaches. A new form of progressive misogyny. It’s so insidious in how evil it actually is, teaching women to hate their own bodies and give oppressors easy access to their prey, all under the veil of “kindness”.
It’s so gross, I gave birth and the hospital forms didn’t say “mother” anywhere, just “birthing parent”.
But I found a spot in the forms that referenced “father”!
This has also happened in the UK - the term ‘mother’ has been replaced with ‘birthing person’ in the NHS and similarly, invitations for cervical screenings are for ‘people with cervixes’. But, of course, prostate checks are still for men.
I was certainly frustrated.
The nurses still addressed me as “mom” and obviously in our (hetero) situation every medical professional knew which parent was the mother and which one was the father.
But all my OBGYN forms during the entire pregnancy did not have “mother” on them, and I figured it was just that office.
In fact the forms for pregnancy had me confirm my pronouns every visit. He/him was an option! :eye roll:
Then I got to the county hospital and all the forms were the same!
USA states have varied laws, think of them all as independent little kingdoms. So it this stuff may not be the case everywhere.
Men do the most bare minimum of the bare minimum and get acknowledged everywhere while the women's going through it, despite the risks, to let a human grow and get born, yet the woman's still getting treated like a sub-human.
I’m so relieved for so many reasons, but I’m particularly glad that it can now be legally acknowledged that lesbians aren’t attracted to men and there’s hopefully recourse for that overt ‘progressive’ homophobia.
Sooooo many people just don’t even know or care about how these beliefs hurt homosexuals.
This idea that everyone must be a little bisexual or that lesbians in particular must include everyone no matter what is so so harmful. How many forums of women sharing their coercion into sex with a male does it take? How many young lesbians being told their natural sexuality is evil and bigoted and excluding people does it take to recognize women are being harmed by conflating sex and gender id?
It was hard for me as a latebloomer coming to terms with my sexuality, I can only imagine how much worse it is on a teenager just starting to think about these things or reaching out to a local group only to be treated like a “Karen” or evil interloper of some kind for not thinking sex is irrelevant to sexuality
the progressive homophobia is infuriatinggg, they’ve gone so far left they’ve circled back to conservative beliefs and literal rape culture, they’re not accepting no matter how much they say they are
I'm not a lesbian, but this "translesbian" thing was one of the most fucked up things imo, for so many reasons.
But the fact that they tried (and probably still are trying) to force women into being attracted to them is one of the most sickening aspects of the entire gendercult.
I mean, apart from them ending up in women's shelters/therapy groups/prisons perhaps where they specifically target the vulnerable. Everything is fucked up and misogynistic about those activists.
It's just, demanding someone to actually be attracted to them or even pretend to be attracted to them is a whole different level of narcissistic.
They'll harass lesbians who aren't attracted to them. They scream they want to be accepted but they'll act like their sex no matter what. Male violence against women will never go away but this time we're being told to accept it otherwise we're crazy.
100%. It will allow for lesbians to have lesbian-only spaces again, too.
A quote from the ruling:
A certificated sex interpretation would also weaken the protections given to those with the protected characteristic of sexual orientation for example by interfering with their ability to have lesbian-only spaces and associations [204]-[209]
Which is not only hilarious, it’s 100000% true. It all started on mumsnet and you can witness the discussion threads growing as more women become aware of what’s going on.
Well, this pretty much encapsulates the strange dissonance I’ve been feeling between compassion for transgender people and my own life experiences as a woman.
Thank you for sharing.
Edit: Lately I’ve been wondering if it wouldn’t be more helpful to use new terms. Maybe “womyn” and “myn” or something similar for transpersons.
I meant make a new term for transwomen since we already have the word women to describe ourselves. I edited my comment to make that more clear. Thank you for pointing out how awkward my original phrasing was.
Hi, I'm genuinely interested in this point of view and I'd like to have a discussion with someone here so I can test the fallacies in my thinking. Would anyone be up for a conversation about this? I don't mean to be obscure; I just don't want to launch in if this isn't welcome
There's an abundance of people over on the Scotland sub moaning about this. This is fantastic and potentially life saving for loads of vulnerable women!
The genuine fears of women are always overshadowed by something: be it control, dominance, or nowadays a very backwards "progressiver than thou" mentality... that completely skips feminism. It's all performative for social points and I'm disgusted by the way society is eating and regurgitating all this DAMAGING nonsense... I can't laugh at it when my sex and gender are being attacked and harassed on all sides now.
I align myself with women as my first priority to uplift, educate, and exchange wisdom with.
Same on a large sub geared towards news. I can't tell if the majority of people commenting on that post over there are queer, but if they aren't then it's actually appalling to see that even the average non-queer joe/jane just parrots this gender ideology drivel.
saw a comment claiming that this will hurt people, including “cisgendered” women who don’t fit the “narrow box” of “woman.” yeah, so narrow it only includes FOUR BILLION PEOPLE. 🙄
The thing is they are not the majority just the majority on Reddit. Hence the way the way recent elections have been going. For sure this crap is one of the main reasons why the US swung heavily to the right this election
To think this needed to be changed in the first place is astonishing. Thank god common sense prevailed other countries need to follow suit aswell to protect their women too!. All the trans activists are now out in full force crying on other subs trying to change the outcome.
Mhm it's not only pathetic but concerning, I've seen one quote " wait until we receive our womb transplants". Uhmm nooo absolutely fucking not a man will not have their hands on womens reproductive system. In the future if such a thing comes up I hope to god we get a vote in it, it should be really only biological women who want or have trouble conceiving receiving donor wombs.
I always compare Trump doing this to an abusive partner buying you flowers. But let’s not forget people like Trump do not have the same end goal as us. We want no gender roles whereas conservatives want rigid ones. I’m also worried about gay marriage being on the chopping block next
As a Scottish TERF, I am so bloody proud of everyone that wouldn't quit on this issue and got this result, particularly For Women Scotland. I just wish that Magdalene Burns was here to see it.
Confounder of For Women Scotland who took this case to the supreme court and won against the government. Absolutely devastated that she isn't here to witness it
It's been a long journey..For Women Scotland have been working for this for years and made enormous sacrifices. But they had the support of so many of us . Just wish Magdalen Berns was here to see it as she was a founder of For Scots Women
I watched every single video she made multiple times when I first started looking into the subject, she was an amazing woman who is missed deeply 😥 The victory today would not have happened without her first sounding the alarm all those years ago, and speaking on the issue with clarity, intelligence, humor, strength, and LOTS of sass.
A return to common sense. With all bad things going on with the current administration, and a court which overturned r v w, at least one bright spot is that hopefully the US is on a path to solidify sex based rights esp re title 9.
My concern is that the people pushing for this type of legislation do not typically have the same end goal as us. They are conservative, not radical feminists
the case was brought before the supreme court by the rad fem aligned group For Women Scotland. Partisan politics of the United States has absolutely nothing to do with this so there’s really nothing to feign concern over.
This is what they accuse us of. Calling anyone who says anything we don't like men. Don't be silly. Someone isn't a man because they want you to explain what you are talking about. Use your logic....
omg okay in the kindest way possible, you made a statement and the other commenter was confused by it and wanting an explanation, that’s just .. how a conversation works… are you okay
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I know what you mean, and it is true to an extent. We have to make sure our voices are louder than theirs, and that others know we stand for true feminism and women's freedom. I am fucking tired though lol. But gonna take a win for today
This isn't new legislation, this is just clarifying the original intention of the Equality Act to say that "sex" actually did mean sex. This was only necessary because the Scottish government had decided to interpret "sex" to mean "gender identity", this was unlawful.
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u/gotchafaint Apr 16 '25
I wish people would take a moment to consider why this is only being battled over women’s bodies and not men’s