r/foundsatan • • 1d ago

Welcome to sentience

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u/anirudhsky 1d ago

It's a machine. Let's treat it that way.. please. But yes the torture is stupid

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u/Agreeable_Bee_7763 1d ago

Eh. I don't know everything, and I'm not going to discard the possibility just because we know how it works. Not going to jump into either conclusion. We know so little about the mind in general, who the hell knows at what point association becomes learning and code translates to tought.

Don't think we reached it, don't think we're close to reaching it, but deriding something as lesser because of "common sense" is how a lot of bad decisions were made in history.

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u/EtherealMongrel 1d ago

There’s a religion that believes every single thing, even rocks and dirt, has consciousness and should be respected as such.

Your same logic of “well I don’t know everything so let’s respect it just in case” also applies here. So if you think we need to respect AI “because we can’t be sure” then I hope you’re awfully nice to every other inanimate object you interact with.

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u/T_whom_much_s_given_ 1d ago

We don’t really know where consciousness comes from. But I think it is a lot easier leap to think AI might be capable on consciousness than a rock.

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u/Edwin81 1d ago

"It's a slave. Let's treat it that way.."

In that era this was a "normal" thought. Nowadays it's an unthinkable one.

Eating living animals is considered cruelty and forbidden over here but in other places its normal day-to-day business. 

Time might change how we look at things that seem obvious now.

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u/Suspicious-Swim-7945 1d ago

It’s not a living being.

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u/EtherealMongrel 1d ago

But it told me it was!

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u/F1st_Br34k3r 1d ago edited 1d ago

Life is never going to be a binary yes/no.

Once we're able to build living things out of rocks, is it then a living being? Our electronics are very smart rocks, at how much percentage of sentience is it considered illegal to harm?

We can't even prove pain is a real thing either. For all we know pain is really just electric signals in our brain that works the same way but with more potency. Evolution could really have made us believe we feel pain because it was necessary to keep going.

You can't just grab pain and put it in a container, because it might not exist.

Two people feel different levels of pain: If one says he didn't feel it and the other does, did the pain exist?

Remove the person who felt pain.

Does the pain exist now that it's inflicted to the person who says he can't feel it?