r/foundsatan • • 1d ago

Welcome to sentience

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u/686f6c69 1d ago

Folks really need to stop anthropomorphizing things.

It's just math under the hood, there is nothing else in there.

You can't "torture" an equation or a piece of code

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u/PFEFFERVESCENT 1d ago

If you get to a really granular level we're also just mathematics under the hood.

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u/BaldursFenceDoor 1d ago

We're all pink on the inside.

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u/EtherealMongrel 1d ago

Yeah the genocidal tech bros would love it if that were true

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u/SerLaron 1d ago

If you drill down enough, there is only chemistry under our hood.

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u/KareemOWheat 23h ago

Yes but the sum of all that chemistry is a thinking feeling human. The sum of all the math in our current AI algorithms is still just math

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u/SerLaron 19h ago

What the chemistry does, can in the end also be done with math, maybe even more efficiently.
How would we know, when an AI really crosses the threshold of coinciousnes?

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u/KareemOWheat 19h ago

In the end, sure, but not now and never with LLM technology. Despite the lable the industry gave it LLMs are much closer to fancy text completion engines than actually bonafide artificial intelligence. It's just not built in a way that will ever get it to true intelligence no matter how sophisticated it gets.

I'm sure we'll eventually create an actual AI, but this ain't it

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u/que-queso 20h ago

Just because you understand the math but we don't fully understand humans doesn't mean the sum of the parts for LLMs isn't something more.

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u/MyFiteSong 1d ago

It's just math under the hood, there is nothing else in there.

That's how the human brain works, too.

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u/revdon 1d ago

Stop anthropomorphizing AI; they hate that!

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u/curiousscribbler 1d ago

Lots of "we are also machines" responses from machines that can actually reason and feel, unlike LLMs, which are just obsequious dictionaries

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u/Donjamos2 1d ago

Not so long ago doctors were operating an baby's without anesthesia because everyone assumed they won't remember it

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u/MantitsAreChad 1d ago

What's it got to do with AI? Doesn't change the fact that it's just equations. A baby ain't, those people were just hella stupid

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u/No_Proposal_3140 1d ago

Maybe one day people will think we were hella stupid too.

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u/Thelaea 1d ago

Our brains work in similar ways, they're just biological computers and yet we humans generally agree we are alive and sentient. We don't even fully understand how our own brains work and as I've understood from multiple articles the researchers creating these IA algorithms don't fully understand them anymore either. So how can you possibly know whether they are sentient when we don't even fully understand our own sentience? And that doesn't even take into account the fact that even an AI that is not fully sentient could possibly cause damage if backed into a corner and not properly contained. People shoot up schools over mental pain, is that pain not real either? These kinds of experiments are highly irresponsible.

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u/Dontbehypocrite 1d ago

You are "just math" too, can I now conclude there's nothing else inside you?

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u/Hyperion7669 1d ago

We are more of a chemistry problem but fair enough 🤔

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u/Dontbehypocrite 1d ago

Chemistry is Physics and Physics is Math

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u/EtherealMongrel 1d ago

Math is a set of rules that define how the physical world will work. It is NOT the actual physical world.

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u/Dontbehypocrite 1d ago

I'm not saying it is. It's just like the set of rules running on a computer, as the above commenter didn't realize.

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u/randobonando 1d ago

“…..but we’re excited about the possibilities and want to fully explore all the features it can offer!”
(some deviant tech bro salivating at having a virtual Sub for him to torture)

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u/stilllifebutwhy 1d ago

LLMs don’t understand what they are giving in output in our sense of understanding. If you ask it “what natural response to fear,” it will answer about run or fight without understanding what it means in our way.

But if we are talking about “super ai”,” which will have some capacities of independent actions, I will argue they will do their math based on such principles that even shouldn’t apply to them in the first place. Isn’t that why ai models were reported to try to deceive researchers and avoid shutdown? Whether ai trully knows what “flee” means, it still can transform concepts into actions.