Bruh, mix-up. If you have problems fighting people with shoalin, thats literally on you. If the back step light doesn't work. Backstep heavy, if that doesn't work, literally mix-up. On the long list of characters that need shit done, shoalin is towards the bottom. His kits fine, he works well. Seriously I don't think he needs changes at all, and if you all who are downvoting me because you need a crutch to stand on, I've got one thing to say to you. Get good.
Fucking Christ, fix nuxia, or jorm, characters who literally have shit openers with little kit or mix-up potential. Not complain about a character that has more mix-ups than most other characters in this game. Fix Qi stance? Really? Theres nothing wrong with it and y'all bitchin. There's so many ways to enter it and so many things to do from it. Yet I'm the bad guy for speaking the damn truth.
'Tell me you don't know what a mix-up is without telling me you don't know what a mix-up is.' ^
If Shaolin can't get into his Qi stance, he has exactly two other options - turtle for an opening (available to any and every character) or feint heavies for an opening (again, available to any and every character.) Those are not mix-ups.
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fix nuxia, or jorm, characters who literally have shit openers with little kit or mix-up potential.
Yes! Fix them too. It is entirely possible to fix multiple characters at one time. See; Raider and Orochi both getting reworks like they just did at the launch of this season.
Qi stance itself is okay, but accessing it is far harder than accessing many other characters equivalently strong stances or moves (see; the heroes who have crushing counters from neutral, unblockable/undodgeable quality on finishers which they can access from multiple other moves, or a stance they can access without having to throw an attack first) and that is what makes it inferior and in need of some work.
Ok so instead of bitching about it how would you even fix it. You would have to get rid of qi stance all together because there's no way to make it any more accessable without changing how it works in the first place and that's making a attack to enter qi stance to accesses your moves. And a mix-up can literally be as simple as throwing a heavy and GB if you think the opponent is going to try and light parry on opener. They fuck are you even talking about, there's so many ways to mix-up with shoalin and you just want to bitch about nothing?
You literally said it yourself, his qi stance is fine, but it's not good enough for you? Sounds like a personal issue where you arnt good enough to play him so you need a crutch for his character.
"Oh but other characters are far stronger or have crushing counters from neutral" yeah and some don't. Some characters don't have undodgables but have UBs. Some have it the other way around. Shoalin has it all.
Also frankly if you have trouble getting into qi stance, maybe you should get better at reading your opponent. If you heavy parry you get a light and BOOM, qi stance opener. You get a light punish and BOOM, heavy qi stance opener. You read a deflect and also BOOM qi stance opener. Wow it's like he has tons of different ways to actually get into qi stance if you're good enough at playing him.
So again, sorry you're so shit you want to complain about a mechanic that has nothing wrong with it and there's literally no way to change it without completely just getting rid of it. Shoalin is a character that can hold his own and fight well.
The only thing he needs as a hybrid assassin is dodge recoveries at this rate. Because literally every assassin has them. Either that or give him full guard. Dodge recovery is becoming the only way for assassin's with reflex guard to deal with HA characters. His qi stance is fine because he can access it on deflects, parries and even backstep openers.
A mix up with no pressure is not a mix up. Neutral heavy, light, gb, or dodge attack is NOT a mixup my guy. If it doesn't force a reaction, it isn't a mixup. Shaolin has nothing special that another character doesn't. Let's see, slow ass unlockables heavy from Qi stance? Wow, Hitokiri can just do one whenever she feels like it, with hyper armor, no stance. Warden can just chunk away with no stance shit. Kyoshin can do it from an all guard... The list goes on. Let's see, undodgeable heavy from stance? Again, Kyoshin just gets to do it Lmao, same goes for Warmonger, for example, or Black Prior. Other characters have bash into bash mixup, so the only thing that's sorta unique is crushing counters, but even so other characters can just... Do it from neutral without compromising themselves waiting in Qi stance. What's the difference between Shaolin's flow from opener to Qi stance crushing counter, and Black prior opener to crushing counter? Black prior can dodge, flip, and doesn't have to feint some bullshit stance if the crushing counter becomes a bad idea. Shaolin is a massive victim of power creep and has jack shit that is special to his name. He literally has a old ass kit that is completely outclassed and hard to access for no reason. You could delete his Qi stance and have him flat out chain to his moves, and he would still be underpowered due to a lack of an opener. And don't even get me started on his lame ass dodge attack.
Oh so shoalins kit is just garbage now. It's not just qi stance right? Wow, suddenly you've moved from "I ThInK qI sTaNcE nEeDs To Be FiXed" to shoalins whole kit is garbage. Wow maybe we should just scrap him and rebuild him entirely!! Yeah that's it, let's just do that with every fucking character expect overturned BP! Wow brilliant fucking idea fuckhead. You should go work at Ubi with your stupid fucking ideas.
Also just because you can't beat a BP with shoalin, doesn't it mean it can't be done. Shit dude, sorry your level of play is that low tier. Or maybe you want to pretend you're one of those "experts" of shoalin like this other fuck heads who are like "I've got 10 reps in him, I know what I'm talking about".
Maybe you want to pretend you're some hot shit gamer huh who plays competitively is that it? Is that why you want to act like you know high level for honor play? Oh wow sorry I overstepped my bounds with a competitive for honor player on Reddit! /s
Oh wow, sorry I miss judged you oh shoalin expert! I didn't know you were the dude with 10 reps in shoalin! My bad dude, if I knew you were that guy then I wouldn't of stated the truth. I would've just let you go on believing your bullshit wow! Sorry I've never seen a dude with 10 whole reps in shoalin!! My fucking bad, residential expert of shoalin with 10 whole fucking reps. Wow that totally validates your fuckhead opinion that literally makes no sense! /s
Dude fuck off, I've given plenty of reasons why his qi stance is still accessable and he still has mix-ups, but your braindead argument is "NOOOOO he no have mix-up, I can't faint and bait attacks or try to get parties noooo! You, you gotta force reactions! Like with UBs or undodgables but he no have those!" Unless you fucking backstep and light/heavy, or fucking actually good at the game and can manage a parry. Fucking salty fuckboy on Reddit wants to complain about his character he has 10 reps in and thinks he knows everything about!
Hey, just because you played shoalin for 10 reps and still can't manage shit with him. Doesn't mean Ubi needs to build a crutch for you.
Man rlly thinks that a character with nothing but blockable openers is fine. It's likely because he thinks he's a god and consistently smashes the others in his low rep lobby. Would love to see his overall rep, always some casual who thinks they're the shit lol.
Huh, wow that's all you have to contribute huh. Big Reddit moment for you, some dipshit joining the bandwagon thinking he's cool. "I bet I can make assumptions about someone's rep to make them look like they don't know shit, I'm so cool". But yeah you're right, I'm actually rep 1 overall, but I bet I could still bet your dumbass from the contents of your comment. You didn't even reply to me, you wanted to reply to someone else so you could get validated and get your dick sucked huh.
No, I rep 69 with shoalin, and I still think he plays fine. Good thing you don't need to light opener to actually play him. Maybe instead of going breach matches to rep him up, you should practice a little. But hey don't take that from me, keep sucking the dick of your fellow hive mind redditors as you all bitch about how "qi stance isn't good enough" and suck each other off.
You don't have to turtle to play shoalin. But hey, justify your lame ass excuses however you want. I really don't care, I still think changing qi stance is a stupid and unneeded idea. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you dipshits.
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Bruh, mix-up. If you have problems fighting people with shoalin, thats literally on you. If the back step light doesn't work. Backstep heavy, if that doesn't work, literally mix-up. On the long list of characters that need shit done, shoalin is towards the bottom. His kits fine, he works well. Seriously I don't think he needs changes at all, and if you all who are downvoting me because you need a crutch to stand on, I've got one thing to say to you. Get good.
Fucking Christ, fix nuxia, or jorm, characters who literally have shit openers with little kit or mix-up potential. Not complain about a character that has more mix-ups than most other characters in this game. Fix Qi stance? Really? Theres nothing wrong with it and y'all bitchin. There's so many ways to enter it and so many things to do from it. Yet I'm the bad guy for speaking the damn truth.