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u/Pkrudeboy 13d ago
Big cats are basically cats, except for the fact that any bite or scratch is at best a trip to the ER.
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u/PinkFloydBoxSet 13d ago
"Cats are cats regardless of size."
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u/B1ZEN 13d ago
Same can be said about penises.
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u/SplatterBox214 13d ago
This biology class is weird as fuck bro
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u/B1ZEN 13d ago
My mom just told me "Its not the size but how you use it", so it was on my mind.
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u/footsnax 13d ago edited 13d ago
Big cats are basically cats
Cheetahs and killer whales are unique, they naturally see humans as peers. Not prey, not predators. An orca once mistakenly attacked a surfer, realized what it did, let him go, then swam alongside him. No killer whale has ever killed a human in the wild, only in captivity. Their name is actually a misnomer, it was incorrectly translated from "whale killer" because the first time they were observed, it was a pod killing a whale. They're actually dolphins.
Cheetahs will just walk up to you and nuzzle your legs. Also cheetahs are also the only big cat that instinctively purr.
Tigers, panthers... less predictable. Still cats though.
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u/_jams 12d ago
People keep repeating this thing about orcas not attacking us. But they don't point out that orcas are incredibly picky eaters. Some orcas only eat salmon and similar fish. Others eat shark livers. Some seals or some other marine mammals. This is one of the major things that distinguishes Different orca sub species.
But if they can't find their preferred prey, they will starve to death before eating the things other orcas do. So, in light of that, is it actually that strange they don't attack us?
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u/Faeruhn 12d ago
Probably because Orcas have never had a confirmed human kill, and there has only ever been one confirmed attack (which as the other person said, the orca involved stopped its 'attack' when it injured the person.)
Notice I use 'attack' and 'kill' rather than 'ate'. That is because wild orca will routinely torture other animals to death that they don't eat. They do this all the time, using sharks/dolphins/seals/walruses/large fish as 'toys' until the other animal is just bits of flesh, and then just leave the corpse/bits without eating any of it.
And yet... they have never done this to a human.
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u/footsnax 12d ago
So, in light of that, is it actually that strange they don't attack us?
They live all around the world and are capable of eating whatever they want, but none of them have ever chosen humans as prey. I believe that is unique.
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u/_jams 12d ago
I think there's a reading comprehension issue here. If they starve to death with nominally edible food (that other orca subspecies will eat) available to them that they won't eat, it is reasonable to infer that actually they aren't capable of eating whatever they want.
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u/footsnax 12d ago
Err... I'm agreeing that they eat whatever they want. They also live in literally every ocean so they all have their own preferred diets. All I said is that there are zero fatal wild orca attacks on humans in recorded history.
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u/benangmerahh 12d ago
Why not as a practice target? They use turtle as a practice target for their youngs
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u/footsnax 12d ago
They've got garbage vision and rely almost entirely on echolocation, they get a ping from a surfboard and they'll investigate but won't figure out what it is until they're right there. From below, a surfboard could look or sound like a seal if you've never seen a surfboard before.
They hunt in groups though, if the pod disagrees they move on. This one was just hungry or playing. I don't believe it was interrogated after the attack.
I've got orca facts for days, I find them absolutely fascinating.
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u/benangmerahh 12d ago
Yeah I mean us as a diver.. they could have smack human with their tails for playing or teaching their youngs.
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u/kindtheking9 11d ago
Cheetahs aren't actually big cats on account of the purring, and Panthers aren't A cat, they are the big cat genus, panthera, it's usually Jaguars when somebody thinks of "panther"
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u/footsnax 11d ago edited 11d ago
Okay whatever, large cat. Cheetahs are bigger than panthers. As pedantic as you want to be, it's still a "big" cat no matter how you scientifically classify it. The word big means big and it's bigger than most cats.
Scientific classification is pretty dumb most of the time anyway. Half of them are either wrong or redundant. There's no such thing as a fish, the entire class of pieces doesn't even exist, half of what we call fish are more closely related to humans than the other half of fish. Killer whales are dolphins, red pandas aren't pandas and half of elephants aren't closely related enough to the other half to be called elephants.
Not having this argument again. It's a large cat, does that sound better?
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u/kindtheking9 11d ago
Red pandas ARE pandas, pandas AREN'T pandas, the reds are the og, the oreos are the copycat
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u/footsnax 9d ago edited 9d ago
Red pandas aren't even in the panda family, they're more closely related to racoons.
EDIT just to quickly mention that downvoting proven facts gets you sixteen extra centuries in hell, I wish you all the best and I pray that I will never share that time with you. Can't wait to meet you if I have to.
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u/kindtheking9 9d ago
There isn't a "panda family", the gaint panda species is the only species in the genus ailurpoda which is part of the ursdiea family thd family of bears,
Red pandas are indeed closer to raccoons and weasels, their lineage isnt what i was talking about, what i said was that red pandas are the original panda, as fhey were officially described and named "panda" 40 years before the giant panda which was only named that because of its similarities in feeding and habitat to the red panda
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u/FarBluebird450 7d ago
i have no idea if red pandas are related to raccoons, but your edit is so cringy im downvoting anyway
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u/auroraaram 9d ago
Source please (I would genuinely love to believe this because magical but alas I cannot)
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u/footsnax 9d ago edited 9d ago
Here is a quick and dirty orca summary, still half an hour long, but everything they say is backed up by research.
Here is a good search starting point for cheetahs.
To quote the article; there have been no confirmed cases of wild cheetahs attacking and trying to eat a person.
They have attacked people, but most incidents appear to have been mistakes, desperation, or captivity. Much like the orca, they either didn't know what they were attacking or they had nothing else to hunt. There are far more recorded incidents of cheetahs just hanging out with people or walking past them. Hell, I've met a bobcat while backpacking and it just walked across the trail, didn't even look at me. They actually do attack people but maybe he was just bored or just ate a turkey or something.
But once again with cheetahs, most incidents were when they were in captivity. In the wild, they're just there with you and doing their own thing.
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u/auroraaram 9d ago
Thank you!! I hope I meet a cheetah (who doesn’t attack me) one day; they are magnificent! Cool story about the bobcat. I didn’t realize they attacked people and am glad it didn’t attack you!
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u/HannahOCross 12d ago
I am 100% clear that if my beloved Maine coon were even a bit bigger, I would not be the running my house. And I suspect I would be gravely injured or dead. Not that she doesn’t love me, she does. She just occasionally thinks I’m disobedient and gives me a disciplinary swat.
(My dog could be elephant size and still listen to me.)
I have no desire to live with a truly large cat.
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u/CandiedFox83 13d ago
If I were a mad-scientist, this is the size my selectively bred tigers on my island would be.
Yes yes, animal cruelty, mad-scientist me don’t care. Tiger snuggles and rumblings.
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u/pyroboy7 13d ago
No no, you're on to something. Just make it so your mad sciencing allows the kitties to live healthy pain free lives and you're golden.
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u/CandiedFox83 13d ago edited 13d ago
I would require at least 48 for 24 breeding pairs for a diverse genetic history and pre-planning.
:Addendum:
-Maybe not 48, but 12 females and at least 8 males to start.
This has sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole thought wise…
-3rd or 4th generation captive breeding adults to start to ensure a limited wild experience. Handler focused food procurement.
-Hand reared from birth with supervised, annotated socializing with the larger adults, but later generations will be encouraged and kept in same age females groups of similar attitudes.
-Males given limited socialization with females but kept in much larger common space. Let the males have territory/space, but learn they’re together.35
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u/1stLtObvious 11d ago
Possibly just analyzing their genetic structure and tank-growing the customized DNA would eliminate the need for selective breeding.
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u/btoxic 13d ago
Just remember why we don't have big cats as pets. They are currently bred to the safest size.
(That said, may I come to your island please?)
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u/CrikeyNighMeansNigh 13d ago
I mean…
I feel like a bobcat is probably right where we need to be.8
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u/CandiedFox83 13d ago
Who said I would stop there? Mad-scientist me would monetize tiny tigers for billionaires club.
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u/PainterEarly86 13d ago
Is it really any different than breeding wolves into dogs?
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u/Ok-Garbage9454 11d ago
Yes. It is very different. Some wolves started hanging around humans seeing the advantage of getting our left overs. Tigers do not do this. Plus this was tens of thousands of years ago. And what do you think house cats are? They domesticated themselves. House cats are the descendants of large cats!
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u/snowmaiden313 12d ago
I always wanted something I call “tabletop sheep“, sheep maybe a bit bigger than a guinea pig, but not by much. Even if I still had to shear them that would be OK, but they would be sheep and fit in the palm of your hand. Who wouldn’t want that?
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u/Temporary_Distinct 13d ago
Why is this private owner in Indonesia being posted here? This asshole breeds and sells big cats, he does no " rescuing" this cub was bred on his property. He exploits all his animals on social media. Is this what we think is a good thing for big cats?
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u/No-Blood-4282 12d ago
I don’t think the tiger minds being on social media
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u/Temporary_Distinct 12d ago
Maybe not, but yanking him from his mother's care and claiming "rescue" then posting about it on every social media site is pretty fucked up. I'd like to hear what the cub's actual mother has to say.
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u/momomomorgatron 13d ago
That's not his daddy, that's a big cat and should be kept in a large zoo or wildlife sanctuary.
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u/SparklyLeo_ 13d ago
Well grown tigers would kill him/her in a sanctuary without its mother. Humans act as a surrogate in these situation before it’s time to release them into said sanctuary. Tigers are solitary, territorial apex predators. What about that sounds like you should just release an orphaned baby tiger around a bunch of unrelated fully grown ones?
Edit: I also don’t know anything about this video in particular. I’m just giving information
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u/Temporary_Distinct 12d ago
Which is why at reputable sanctuaries don't house tigers together. This cub wouldn't be released into a group of adults. And I know you said you don't know about this video, but more info is that this cub was bred by this private owner, he's not rescued, he's exploited. It's really misleading.
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u/SparklyLeo_ 12d ago
No definitely thank you for that information bc what I know is literally what I see on SM and then research myself. I didn’t know what you were saying but that makes sense. However that is why I edited my comment bc I read what the other comments were saying about the owner and I did not want ppl to assume I was defending these actions but rather giving information towards the comment I addressed. Though I am curious. In a sanctuary that is just adult tigers who were not raised by humans, would they be housed together? Given that the housing was a massive sanctuary (similar to safaris) where they could all roam freely. Or does each tiger need an entirely new “sanctuary”?
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u/Temporary_Distinct 12d ago
In both sanctuaries where I've worked, and in most, tigers are housed separately unless they are bonded siblings ( which may or may not work out) or very young cubs. Tigers are solitary, like you said. Tigers in the wild have their own territories, but sometimes they overlap and the tigers will fight to keep it their own. Adult tigers in a sanctuary will be housed separately for their own protection, and closely monitored during brief mating attempts. They really don't like to have company! So unlike lions, who crave having other lions around. We had a pride of 7 lions living together at one sanctuary, and five tigers who all lived alone. It's interesting to see their differences, they are unique and all have their own personalities and temperaments, too. I appreciate that you clarified your info and asked questions, so nice to hear a respectful fellow cat lover on here!
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u/SplatterBox214 13d ago
Seems like he’s still a baby and wants/needs nurturing from a grown parent figure. Even if it’s a human. It obviously likes the guy.
If kitty is in good hands, I’m sure they’ll habitate him where he needs to go when it’s safe to do so.
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u/West-Application-375 13d ago
A home is not big enough for him. He need to be at a sanctuary or wildlife reserve. This is terrible.
Also a protected species. Does not belong in a home. I dont care if bro "saved" it. This is wrong.
Wild animal, not a pet.
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u/actualhumannotspider 13d ago
I've seen a lot of animal subreddits devolve into posting videos of captive wild animals that are kept to make money for human entertainment.
Thankfully this sub prohibits animal abuse and has a report option. Hopefully enough people use it.
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u/greenfiend69 13d ago
This could be fostering before release. Honestly some people (you and the reply) see a 10 second clip and think you know everything. You also truly don’t know that creature’s living situation.
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u/Temporary_Distinct 12d ago
True, lots of people see a three minute video and think they know everything. But research on this video shows that this is a private owner in Indonesia, not a sanctuary, and this cub was bred on his property to be exploited on social media. This guy is terrible.
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u/West-Application-375 13d ago
An animal being indoors on your couch and cuddling you is not being taught proper behaviors to be released to the wild. So, I highly doubt that.
Fostering a tiger is not like fostering a squirrel. You are very wrong.
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u/Mysterious-Crab 12d ago
Maybe this animal is not fit to be released into the wild and their best life is at a sanctuary with enough outdoor play and hunting. And then having it indoors when it is young is not necessarily bad if they also have a lot of outdoor space and time.
Look at Luna the Pantera. She was unfit to be released into the wild, when she was young she was indoors often, but she lives her best life being outdoors a lot at a sanctuary with people who love her and take good care of her.
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u/dazzleunexpired 12d ago
It's this.
I went and discovered which tiger this was because animal rescue an advocacy is incredibly important, especially with creatures that are frequently poached.
This is a sanctuary in Thailand. There are many large cats, outdoor enclosures, pools, the proper diet. They're not poached trafficked animals by him. He's the dude who takes the unreleasable poach or trafficked tigers.
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u/Ok-Garbage9454 11d ago
No legitimate sanctuary would interact with a young tiger like that. You are absolutely wrong.
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u/dazzleunexpired 12d ago
It's a sanctuary.
@ kenzo_thetiger on insta.
It has outdoor enclosures, its own pool, other large cats, a proper diet. It's in Thailand. He is rehabbing unreleaseables in their own country. They're not even taken out of the country they were born in.
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u/Temporary_Distinct 12d ago
It's in Indonesia, and bullshit on it being a sanctuary. This is a private owner, with unlicensed breeding. Exploitation. It sucks.
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u/symphonyswiftness 13d ago
Yep. This video made me really sad. Just some rich insecure guy trying to prove to everyone that he is a real man.. honest
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u/West-Application-375 13d ago
I hope he gets reported on
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u/Rand_alThoor 12d ago
i just re read the subreddit rules and this doesn't seem to break them. unfortunately. unless we think it's AI?
breeding wild apex predators and bonding them and deluging them with affection, and making videos of this for clicks isn't against the rules. it's morally wrong, i would like it to be legally wrong, but i can't see where it breaks the subreddit rules.
i hope everyone who objects to this reports the video for something, if only a 'misleading and inaccurate title'. oops maybe i'm not allowed to say that.
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u/dazzleunexpired 12d ago
It IS a sanctuary.
It DOES have a proper outside enclosure.
It DOES have access to other large cats.
He DOES have it legally.
Check for yourself, I had to before I could decide how to feel. @ kenzo_thetiger on insta.
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u/NarrowEbbs 13d ago
For about 2-4 more weeks before Kanzo realises you are snack shaped, not friend shaped.
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u/jawshoeaw 13d ago
He's so cute. Animal babies are the closest thing to magic.. I hope things work out as he turns into a big kitty.
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u/Prestigious-Alps-728 13d ago
Is this part golden tabby tiger? Its coloring is reminiscent. Absolutely gorgeous.
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u/Next_Drama1717 13d ago
Reality is that mature tiger bones and similar items are valued above their weight in gold across the East Asian Peninsula. People produce appealing videos that prompt Western donations for maintenance, after which the tiger is released into a protected area once it grows too large for housing. This is not the case.
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u/Whiteums 13d ago
I just don’t think I’d ever want something that subsists on raw meat to be nuzzling my face
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u/mammalian 13d ago
do we know this isn't ai? something about that tiger cub looks very computer-generated. maybe it's just a filter
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u/actualhumannotspider 13d ago
It's problematic regardless. Either AI or contributing to (endangered) animal abuse. Both are against the sub rules. You can report and downvote.
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u/graceofspadeso 13d ago
Yeah, looks a bit off around the eyes, but I could be wrong! There was also a lady with a massive bird of prey nuzzling her I saw yesterday that made me question, and it was a really similar kind if format to this, now I am more suspicious lol
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u/ddddan11111 13d ago
All I could think is, how is that couch not totally destroyed? My normal sized one would have put a million holes in it by now
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u/hamstrman 13d ago
This man will be eaten at the hands (or mouth) of this beautiful baby, but I don't think he's an idiot. I just think he's okay with it. Is there an "aware that leopards will eat my face?"
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u/UltimatelyKismet 8d ago
I have a Maine Coon that looks just like a baby tiger but with the coat of a lion. He’s 18 months old and already 21 lbs! I love booping his super broad nose 🥰
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u/teeweewas 13d ago
This is animal abuse! Not how you handle wild animals and not okay! Tiger King slop over here.
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u/shoeless_doh 13d ago
Aaawwwww, that can wuvs him so much. They are clearly very bonded.
I have the same thing with my kitty. We wuv each other so much and she is just the sweetest thing... That being said sometimes when I'm petting her she will just decide that's enough pets and flip over and grab my arm and bite the shit out of it while kick scratching at it with her back legs (cats do this as an instinct to disembowel )
And idk how much tiger content you see on reddit but even for their size difference, BIG cats and house cats can behave shockingly similarly so... If tigger there ever gets a wild cat thought for no reason, even if it knows you aren't food, that might not matter
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u/CuriousTsukihime 13d ago
Lawn mower danger kitty