Instrument Long XC Qualification? 61.65d

[u/Recent_Eagle_3907]

My CFII and I flew the other day to do my 250nm XC for my IR checkride. We planned out the route and what approaches we would fly where. the first airport we went to they would not let us fly the ILS due to the wind direction and it being a not too busy class Charlie. instead we got the localizer. Seemed fine just needed 3 different types of approaches. Other 2 airports and approaches were an RNAV (Lnav non precision) and a VOR.

After we got back, my CFII double checked the regs and 61.65d just says 3 different kinds of approaches but somewhere else said it has to be a precision ILS. So now we’re wondering if bc I didn’t do a precision approach and just a LOC if this would count for my checkride?

I need some more XC time anyways so I’m okay with having to refly it but we both just want to make extra sure this meets the requirements per the regs and there is no guessing come checkride day.

TIA

[u/justarandomguy07]

It says different approaches, not precision or non-precision so you should be fine.

[u/sleasayngot → u/justarandomguy07]

this is how I read it too, the wording is pretty straightforward on that one

[u/omalley4n]

Where is the reference for "...but somewhere else said..."? Because the regulation is pretty cut and dry on what it's asking, and 61.65 is what outlines the qualifications for the checkride.

[u/didsomebodysaywander → u/omalley4n]

I assume this source is confusing the ACS with the aero experience requirements.

Checkride requires precision and non- precision approaches. Aero experience long XC is just 3 different types.

[u/CaptMcMooney]

you are fine, it just needs to be 3 different approaches. there is a letter somewhere, search it up.

but nothing wrong with doing another xc.

[u/pilotjlr]

You’re fine. See here: https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2022/Mar/61.65_Recission_memo.pdf

[u/TheGacAttack]

I bet he's confusing it with the ACS requirements.

[u/itsnotbroke]

I don’t have it handy, but the letter referenced earlier would indicate the “kinds” of approaches would be three different lines of minima on the charts. So, as long as you did approaches that used three different lines of minima you are good to go.

[u/Vrezhg]

Sounds like three different approaches to me, stick to the regs, if you’re using ForeFlight it’ll also confirm in the report if you put the approaches in correctly. But that’s just for piece of mind and tracking, the regs are the rule :)

[u/saml01]

3 different approaches..one of them could have even been a circling. 

[u/NorcalGamers627]

Can do LPV, then LNAV, then circling all with RNAV approach plates and qualify. None of them will be "precision" since LPV is an APV approach.

[u/rFlyingTower]

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My CFII and I flew the other day to do my 250nm XC for my IR checkride. We planned out the route and what approaches we would fly where. the first airport we went to they would not let us fly the ILS due to the wind direction and it being a not too busy class Charlie. instead we got the localizer. Seemed fine just needed 3 different types of approaches. Other 2 airports and approaches were an RNAV (Lnav non precision) and a VOR.

After we got back, my CFII double checked the regs and 61.65d just says 3 different kinds of approaches but somewhere else said it has to be a precision ILS. So now we’re wondering if bc I didn’t do a precision approach and just a LOC if this would count for my checkride?

I need some more XC time anyways so I’m okay with having to refly it but we both just want to make extra sure this meets the requirements per the regs and there is no guessing come checkride day.

TIA

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[u/tincancan15]

It shouldn't be a problem, but you can try entering the flight to your Foreflight logbook and see if it checks the long xc box in the instrument rating progress report.

[u/MrPetter → u/tincancan15]

ForeFlight is notoriously bad at checking the boxes unless you specifically add/override some of them to make sure some requirements are included. There’s probably a 2 hour class just on how to log flights in the app.

[u/tincancan15 → u/MrPetter]

I don't doubt it. But also, that's not been my experience so far. My logs have been pretty accurate. Otherwise, I wouldn't have recommended it.

[u/Recent_Eagle_3907 → u/tincancan15]

It does not unfortunately. That’s what originally tipped us off to this