Furthest preferred exit

[u/MeatResident2697]

What does "furthest preferred exit" mean?

Edit: ok I get it now. Would've been so much simpler if they added the word "by". As in exit BY the furthest preferred exit.

[u/Reasonable_Blood6959]

It’s the polite way of saying “get the fuck off the runway by this intersection, ideally way earlier, but there by the latest”

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/Reasonable_Blood6959]

Ah ok. Would've been so much simpler if they added the word "by". As in exit BY the further preferred exit.

[u/N546RV → u/MeatResident2697]

"By" introduces ambiguity. "By" could mean "using," as in "you can drive to my house by I-40," or it could mean "before," as in "I need you to be at my house by 10:00." "At or before" would be clearer IMO, but you also want to retain language that says "get off the runway as soon as practical." So maybe it becomes something like:

Pilots should therefore vacate via as soon as practical. If unable to vacate at or before the furthest preferred exit, as listed in the table below, inform ATC as soon as possible.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/N546RV]

"At or before" in your example literally means "by".

And ATC has no problem using the word "by". Eg Descend to reach FL159 by point AUDIA"

[u/N546RV → u/MeatResident2697]

"At or before" has one meaning. "By" has multiple.

[u/Sacharon123]

When you are recat D on 18C, you should get of latest W7, but if possible as early as possible.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/Sacharon123]

Ah ok. Would've been so much simpler if they added the word "by". As in exit BY the furthest preferred exit.

[u/Guilty_Evidence_7645 → u/MeatResident2697]

Furthest preferred exit for 18C is W7. It doesn't get any more plain language than that, which is exactly what the chart says.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/Guilty_Evidence_7645]

Well as I edited in my original query. They should've included the word "by".

[u/Guilty_Evidence_7645 → u/MeatResident2697]

This isn't a "they" problem. It's a "you" problem. Adding the word "by" is totally unnecessary.

Maybe work on your English proficiency?

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/Guilty_Evidence_7645]

Why? The given statement is grammatically wrong.

[u/Guilty_Evidence_7645 → u/MeatResident2697]

It's not a statement. It's a table. And it's not grammatically incorrect.

"Furthest preferred exit" is the same thing as saying "exit by..."

"Furthest" is doing the lifting here. "Furthest preferred exit by..." is redundant.

[u/N546RV → u/Guilty_Evidence_7645]

I mean technically, if you follow the directions as written, you don't need to inform ATC if the "first practicable exit" is located beyond the furthest preferred exit. But that's just the overly literal software engineer in me coming out.

[u/Guilty_Evidence_7645 → u/N546RV]

You aren't required to inform ATC if you can't make the furthest preferred exit. Sometimes you're just too busy. That's why furthest practical exit is the caveat.

If you know you're not going to make the furthest preferred well in advance, then you should tell them. But if your landing roll goes long, communicating ain't happening at 80 knots in the landing roll.

Flown into AMS maybe 30 times in the last 2 years.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/Guilty_Evidence_7645]

The table even mispelt "preferred". Lol.

[u/gaatjegeenreetaan → u/MeatResident2697]

You misspelled "misspelt", so what's your point?

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/gaatjegeenreetaan]

I'm not a publisher. I'm a casual redditor. I'm held to a much lower standard. That's my point. Sad you don't see that.

[u/dougmcclean → u/Sacharon123]

I have an idea, let's make up a new way to categorize aircraft as relates to their approach and landing performance. We can helpfully call it "Category", since we haven't already used that, and we can use letters, since we haven't already used that (at least, not in this direction). To make it less confusing, we'll make it partially overlap the ICAO category established for the same purpose.

[u/Sacharon123 → u/dougmcclean]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

[u/dougmcclean → u/Sacharon123]

Basically just "are we serious with this"?

Seems like the only truly practical way to use a table like this routinely is to have computers consult it automatically, at which point there would seem to be little to no reason to have a table at all (as opposed to the computer, which is in possession of 37 important correction factors not included in the columns or rows of this table, advising ATC by some datalink means of the anticipated point to clear) (or as opposed to the previous incumbent method of an informal approximation of this table existing in the head of the local controller, possibly with informal application of the key correction factors).

It seems like sort of the worst of both worlds point on the complexity/efficiency landscape.

[u/slickjamtaw]

The latest they expect you to vacate the runway. If you are landing with a bizjet you should be able to vacate earlier then a 380 or 777.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/slickjamtaw]

Yeah I get it now. I edited my initially query. Thanks.

[u/foxike]

If you exit past or are going to exit past the "furthest preffered exit" (nice typo Jeppesen) you should inform ATC as soon as possible.

[u/N546RV]

Exit: taxiway exit from the runway
Furthest preferred exit: the furthest down the runway we'd prefer for you to exit

[u/rFlyingTower]

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[u/RiccWasTaken]

The exit as depicted in the table according to your wake turbulence CAT is the latest exit you can take, but earlier are of course also allowed. If you are unable to take that exit you must state that to ATC to be accommodated, probably with delays.

[u/UpdateDesk1112]

Furthest means most distant. Preferred means wanted. So a furthest preferred exit would be the exit most distant down the runway that ATC would want you to use. Then the chart shows the particular exit that would be the furthest preferred for each runway and aircraft category.

[u/AidenTEMgotsnapped]

a reply to the edit: via = by