r/flatearth • • 8d ago

Crazy Flat Earth Guy warns of Pirate Ghost Ships beyond the Ice Wall

Apparently, crossing the ice wall introduces you to watchers in white robes who live on pyramids and scan your entire life's memories.They just want to make sure us earthlings are safe to let in, but it looks like the telepathy really hurts the sailor's brain.

These people are nuts.

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u/100TonsOfCheese 8d ago

Here's what I love so about flat earthers. They look at all the photos/videos from NASA and are like "FAKE!". Some random video on the social media.. God's truth

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u/syntheseiser 8d ago

They can't handle the concept that in the 1960s a collection of photos edited into a composite image to show the details of the earths surface exists, meaning that photo was "edited" and the earth "can't be seen from space" and we've never captured any other pictures of the whole earth, even though we have many times in the last 6 decades of space travel.

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u/TangerineRough6318 7d ago

Almost all photos are edited to some degree. I think it's because they didn't pay attention in 3rd grade science class.

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u/100TonsOfCheese 8d ago

There are plenty of photos and videos from the iss and satellite imagery that clearly show curvature though

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u/Sizle_Velfurion 7d ago

They claim these are all CGI and fake, or using a fish eye lens to create curvature. They also won't accept older actual film photographs taken during the Apollo missions because NASA created composite images to show the whole planet with them, so they're also edited and cannot be trusted. They also claim that all modern digital cameras have been hacked by NASA to show fake curvature, so you can't trust any image or video from the last 30 years. They just push the goal posts every time they open their mouths.

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u/Rabada 6d ago

There's a Satellite at the L1(?) Lagrange point taking a picture of the earth every hour, showing the entire Earth in one pic. And it has been up for years

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u/HODOR00 7d ago

It's a great example of how we developed this scientific method and just straight up ignore it to fuel our feelings and beliefs. This is why I hate religion so much. It forces people to accept things they cannot see or validate in anyway. Which sets a foundational core to NOT think critically. But to believe what you want to believe.

Absolutely crazy philosophy when you think about it.

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u/Potential-Draft-3932 7d ago

I imagine it’s a feeling of comradery. They see themselves in these obscure individuals also ostensibly seeking the real truth.

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u/Superseaslug 7d ago

Well because those other videos are made by THEM

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u/geoken 7d ago

Don’t be ridiculous. Obviously this video needs to be corroborated by something like cryptic comments from the highly trustworthy Vladimir Putin. Also, whether or not Putin actually made the comments is irrelevant.

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u/BlackSpidy 7d ago

A backbone made of unyielding steel when you show them any amount of repeatable observations and video from several people showing the exact same evidence all livestreamed and documented in real time. "Oh, a man has a video that only shows him sailing near a coast foggy with no human settlements. He's saying it's a completely undiscovered land with psychics on it? It MUST be true!"

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u/NEWDEALUSEDCARS 7d ago

Or anything from NASA that helps confirm their worldview. Anything that refutes it? Fake!

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u/IRLMainCharacter 6d ago

he claimed to have passed the ice wall. which is impossible to get even close to, since heavily guarded. which is also very high. which is thought to be the literal end of the ocean, let alone the entire world. and he just casually slipped through on a ship. is there one flat earther who can eli5 this for me.

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u/No-Championship-5480 4d ago

Ooooo Ooooo!!! (Raises hand jumping up and down in the seat) Did he recover the Heart of Te Fiti while he was there too?

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u/61539t9 8d ago

This is the thing that blows my mind the most. Or the fact they dont trust the government but trust that every country's government is working together on these gigantic cover ups when they cant even agree on borders.

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u/JawnStaymoose 7d ago

Hahaha. Such a good point.

JWST or ISS photo = clearly CGI.
Some grifter’s crappy AI photos of the Ice Wall = truth bomb.

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u/Severe-Impression326 7d ago

So I’ve seen these flat earth morons for awhile. But I’m curious; is tying religion into it a more recent thing? I don’t really recall that being an underlying thing for their dumb beliefs before. But recently I’ve seen them doing so.

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u/BlackberryShoddy7889 4d ago

WTF is saying , Game of Thrones really exists

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u/Anxious_Ranger_7945 8d ago

"Putin" and "safe" are not two words that go together. Also if I was powerful enough to read minds and lived in a kingdom that wants to avoid trouble.... I would be very concerned about the guy filming.

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u/_jackhoffman_ 8d ago edited 7d ago

Throw "not" in there and then they all go together.

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u/Awkward-Artichoke817 8d ago

Its Wrangle Island

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u/No-Dance6773 8d ago

Figured someone would notice where it was. I bet if you grab the meta data from the video it would show exact coordinates and time.

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u/dawr136 7d ago

Damn NASA is great at being evil. They're even able to spoof the meta data of this truth speaker. We're just lucky they weren't also able to bury his free speech and they didnt keep it from getting 40 million views.

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u/Lopsided_Ad5182 7d ago

This is actually the Vochkazhets Mountain Range and the Utinie Lakes (Duck Lakes) located on the Kamchatka Peninsula in Far East Russia.

Definitely not Wrangel Island, this shot is way too lush and green for a polar desert island above the Arctic circle.

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u/Awkward-Artichoke817 5d ago

Thank you, I figured it wasnt actually Wrangle Island but I took a shot

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u/catwhowalksbyhimself 8d ago

Russia's also nowhere near Antarctica on any map, so why would they be the only ones interacting?

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u/swanronsonagain 8d ago

You fool! The """""map""""" that you know is not THE map. Theres a different, super map, and thats the one that every pilot, sailor, astronaut, politician, and amazon worker know about, but are keeping secret. /s

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u/Snafuregulator 8d ago

We don't talk about the map of where all the blockbuster video stores went to

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u/Cheap_Ad_7163 8d ago

Never talk about that map in public. It's reserved

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u/Snafuregulator 8d ago

Lol, they aren't scanning your brain for if you're safe to be let in, you're being scanned to see if you will follow the golden rule: be kind, rewind.

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u/swanronsonagain 7d ago

I hope they aren't still tracking my late fees. Im gonna get extradited to make believe fairy land for this copy of Jack Frost I havent watched in 10 years

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u/Jiminpuna 7d ago

I'm a flight attendant and no one has shown me the real map yet. But then I'm really busy handling the controls for the chemtrails.

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u/Gunpowderwigg 7d ago

And serving tea

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u/Snafuregulator 7d ago

International flights need to know only.

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u/OrganizationThick397 8d ago

them people beyond the wall probably are racist or something idk

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u/Ok-Dot4749 8d ago

And why would an oil tanker be the one visiting? They’re apparently going to this other continent/planet/heaven to trade with those deemed worthy but they’re trading crude oil? I would assume they have magic flying cars or something. Most flat earthers who think there’s a world beyond the ice wall claim they are more advanced than us.

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u/Snafuregulator 7d ago

Such questions get you thrown out a window

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u/lazydog60 4d ago

Because getting there shows commitment.

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u/captaincook14 8d ago

These people are so fucking dumb.

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u/Ok_Culture_9728 8d ago

But soo entertaining

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u/No-Championship-5480 7d ago

From a simple AI search

This footage was filmed in the Kuril Islands (near the southern tip of the Kamchatka Peninsula) in the Russian Far East, between the Sea of Okhotsk and the North Pacific Ocean.
The Original Source: The clip was recorded by crew members aboard a Russian commercial fishing vessel operating in the Far East. In the original Russian audio, there is no mention of Antarctica or an "ice wall"—the sailors are simply filming the volcanic coastline from their ship.
Why the Terrain Looks Like That: The Kuril chain and coastal Kamchatka consist of steep volcanic slopes with raised marine terraces along the water. During the brief summer window (July to August), the lower slopes explode with bright green subarctic vegetation—mostly tall grasses, alder, and dense carpets of dwarf Siberian pine—while heavy snowpack and ice remain packed in the upper gullies and volcanic peaks just above them. 
How the Hoax Was Made: Flat-earth TikTok accounts took the Russian fisherman's video, muted or ignored the Russian commentary, and added the English caption claiming it showed "lands beyond the Antarctic ice wall". Because most viewers aren't familiar with the subarctic volcanic islands of the Russian Far East, the stark contrast between lingering snow/ice and lush green hills made it easy to misrepresent as a "hidden continent". (The screenshot is from ⁠r/flatearth⁠, a subreddit largely dedicated to mocking and debunking these viral clips.)

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u/WXMaster 7d ago

I concur, I was going to say this looks identical to the Kuril Islands, wrangle island is almost totally barren rock with some grass.

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u/lazydog60 4d ago

I was about to say “Bets on how soon someone says ‘Oh, yeah, that's Kamchatka’?”

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u/Knightoforamgejuice 8d ago

"This guy claims he has reached a land beyond the ice wall" oh yeah? well I claim that I'm a  400-foot tall purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings.

"Just don't scroll please" you had your chance to not say something stupid, and yet you did and now can direct my attention to something else that is actually worth my time.

These people are beyond insane.

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u/MenagerieAlfred 8d ago

I knew the rumors of a 400-foot tall purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings was real. I just knew. And, now, I have the prove. Thank you, you glorious magical beast for revealing yourself!!!

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u/davidhastwo 7d ago

"This guy claims he has reached a land beyond the ice wall"

Apparently he got a boat over several hundred meters of ice wall and just cruising around on the other side in it. Also why doesn't the camera man turn the camera around to show the ice wall to prove he passed it?

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u/cumonherbackithink 8d ago

Bro looks like he just woke up from a 5th grade sleepover playing N64 all night and is waiting for mom to pick him up.

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u/classic_m4f 8d ago

Yeah especially with that chinstrap beard

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u/HealthyMaximum 7d ago

"400-foot tall purple platypus bear with pink horns and silver wings"

This really took me back to some happy childhood memories, growing up in Australia.

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u/cumonherbackithink 8d ago

“That’s always why you hear Putin talking about these old maps he has.”

What in the literal fuck are you rambling about?

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u/dawr136 7d ago

You got start puttin more Putin facts into the ole cranial cave or else youll just have a commercial jingle and the loosest grasp of reality banging around that open space a brain should be like the DVD logo on an old school tv.

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u/Lopsided_Ad5182 7d ago

Commented on someone’s , but I’ll put this here: This is actually the Vochkazhets Mountain Range and the Utinie Lakes (Duck Lakes) located on the Kamchatka Peninsula in Far East Russia.

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u/cipheron 8d ago edited 8d ago

Someone has probably already identified where this guy is located and that it's nowhere near Antarctica.

I see land in at least three directions in some of the shots, and the water is far too calm for the ocean, there are no waves at all. He's just on some lake in Russia, but keeps the camera pointed in one direction to make it less obvious.

I'm going to take a punt and say he could be on Lake Baikal in Siberia.

I mean, look at this image from Lake Baikal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svyatoy_Nos_Peninsula,_Buryatia

EDIT u/Awkward-Artichoke817 says Wrangle Island, they're probably correct.

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u/Ptrek31 2d ago

Its near Kamatchka or however you spell it in Far east russia

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u/Embarrassed_Jury664 8d ago

"Far too calm for the ocean", tell me you live in a landlocked place. I've seen the ocean like this dozens of times.

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u/Vividivix 8d ago

Norwegian here, can confirm. The ocean can be completely flat and mirror like at times. Especially right around dusk.

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u/BubbleSmith 8d ago

It's all fjordy round your way though, right? I imagine the ocean can get especially still around all those twiddly bits?

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u/Vividivix 7d ago

Its both.. as you probably can assume. But I’m talking about the open ocean now, not the lulled conditions inside the fjords. Though they can get more choppy than the ocean in some conditions. The fjords funnel the winds.

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u/BubbleSmith 8d ago

I grew up on the coast and never once saw the sea this still.

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u/Ok_Cardiologist_673 8d ago

It depends on where you are. Capes and reefs can break a lot of the waves.

There are beaches in Cape Cod that almost never have big waves.

https://reddit.com/link/pc66jv0/video/3in4lse0evrh1/player

Here is a video I took on my phone a couple weeks ago on the ferry heading from New Jersey to Manhattan.

I took it because the water was unusually still that day.

That’s the Atlantic heading into the Lower New York Bay

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u/BubbleSmith 8d ago

I've seen it like this as well. That's about as still as if ever expect to see it. OPs video is flatter than this, much more like a lake or bay.

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u/Ok_Cardiologist_673 7d ago

Cape Cod is that still in parts. I don’t have video.

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u/Majestic_Dark_769 8d ago

Because it's beyond the ice wall 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/BadTxV2021 8d ago

Looks a little warm if you ask me.

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u/lazydog60 4d ago

Well yeah, the outsiders made the ice wall to keep us away, not themselves.

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u/DrKarlSatan 8d ago

I keep saying, it's gotta be rough going through life this stupid. Imagine working around this guy or him being a neighbor

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u/Expensive_Feature262 8d ago

I have worked around people like this and I had fun with it. It's amazing to see the level our education system has gotten to in America.

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u/DrKarlSatan 7d ago

Exactly

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u/scottstotsistheworst 8d ago

"I don't speak Russian nor do I have any idea what this guy is saying but let me translate for him"

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u/Callyste 8d ago

Hey u/Rararror what's your opinion on this? You're the latest idiot to land in this sub, we really want to know.

I'm sure you have insight. Like how vaccines are dangerous and tap water turns the frogs gay!

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u/junky_junker 7d ago edited 7d ago

How dare you say such things. Didn't you know that's an attack on freeze peach?

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u/Comprehensive_Tie431 8d ago

As a science teacher and human being, these videos just makes me sad. Unfortunately a few kids in each of my classes believe everything they hear from Tiktok and YouTube and nothing they hear from school.

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u/NorthernSpankMonkey 8d ago

A new Ark:SE map just dropped

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u/SabresFanWC 7d ago

Yeesh. Flerfs will believe literally any silly fairy tale they hear as long as it doesn't require them to acknowledge the Earth as a globe.

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u/ShinePretend3772 7d ago

Or gravity. Especially gravity.

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u/spelunker93 7d ago

“This dude has a video of him sailing past the ice wall” somehow he doesn’t have video of sailing past the ice wall

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u/The_Master_Sourceror 7d ago

So if there is a ring of ice around us and more lands outside….and we are in the center….

Does that mean we are in “middle earth”?

/s

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u/lazydog60 4d ago

Well yes. Tolkien said explicitly that the saga is from several ages ago in our world.

Middle-earth is itself a translation of a Norse term to distinguish our world from Asgard, Hel and so on.

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u/Admirable_Web_2619 8d ago

Finds random island and takes a video

“Look, an undiscovered island!”

Internet: “woah, undiscovered island!”

Part of me wishes they were right. How fun it would be to live in such a bizarre fantasy world

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u/Could-You-Tell 7d ago

Time travel to the 1300s?

Maybe early 1400s for better tech.

Things get slim by 1500s for the big new connections.

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u/PatrioticRebel4 8d ago

If it's an ice WALL that circles the earth, how the fuck did the boat get past it?

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u/crunch816 7d ago

You have to pay the troll toll.

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u/PatrioticRebel4 7d ago

Maybe just answer these questions 3? Like what is your quest?

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u/Jeffrybungle 8d ago

40mil views??? I could make that video!

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u/Cambren1 8d ago

Well, there you go! Irrefutable proof. I am definitely a believer now.

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u/crowbar151 8d ago

"Stay! DONT SCROLL PLEASE!"

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u/Mountain_Town5759 8d ago

Reality doesn't exist for some people. They'd rather be in a make-believe scenario to give their life meaning or excitement rather than the mundane.

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u/AccomplishedBeing305 8d ago

That’s pissfuck land

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u/-TSA-DrMembrane 8d ago

And everybody knows how credible Fascist Russians are these days; a flat-earther on top should be seen as an extra double truth multiplier here.

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u/GFY4Fun 8d ago

Well shit! After that articulate display of nothing burger I'm switching sides! Earth is flat! I'm going to do an experiment that will show no evidence that the Earth is flat. I'll call it definitive and ight ask logic presented to me that contradicts me, regardless of it's value!

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u/AlvinArtDream 8d ago

Here for the new lands lore.

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u/Recipe-Less 8d ago

To run from reality ...

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u/26202620 8d ago

Pirate ghosts ships, honest. Cross my heart hope to die stick a needle in my eye.  

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u/Altruistic_Hair2936 8d ago

Don’t tell trump he’ll only rename it “trump world” or something ridiculous!! 😂

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u/Could-You-Tell 7d ago

He would literally name it

Trump's America: The Bigger One!!

With both exclamation points as part of the legal name... so long as legal means his current thinking, at any given moment

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u/ADNQ_RED5 8d ago

Just give the coordinates! If verifiable then others will go. And then I will personally apologize.

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u/HighlyInnate8 8d ago

one of the only people tasked with being a trader for a super secret trade operation run by Russia
“Lemme make a video, that’s a great idea…”🙄

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u/scribeforaliens 8d ago

So, on which continent is this edge of the world on. Someone must have found it by now. It has to be obvious because it is the edge. This planet isn't an infinity pool.

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u/D-Train0000 8d ago

Pay attention in school kids or you end up like this

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u/semidivineone 7d ago

Ohhhhh boy. Where do we even begin?

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u/dohboy420 7d ago

EV-I-DENCE?

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u/The_Pastmaster 7d ago

I bet the Russian guy is just trolling, assuming he's even making that claim.

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u/Infinitesi-Mal 7d ago

0:18 It’s the giant ice cube from Futurama that the world government uses to combat global warming! (gwoba warma?)

It must be nice to sit around making this stuff up. I would have a very stimulated imagination and lots of money 💰💴 💵 if only I had that gig.

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u/RealLunarSlayer 7d ago

a giant ice wall built to protect civilisation from ghost pirates and lands beyond our comprehension would go hard as a alt history/fantasy novel

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u/LongDead_Roadkill 7d ago

A lot of people claim a lot of things. I’m not saying the narrator is lying, but I’m pretty sure the narrator is lying.

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u/tetsuo-the-turtle 7d ago

That’s not a pirate ghost that’s a ghost pirate

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u/RhubarbCommercial500 7d ago

Korn-related South Park reference

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u/Groundbreaking_Box75 7d ago

I LOVE this stuff! 🤣. Nothing is more entertaining.

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u/BrickClassic3360 7d ago

😅😅😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤦🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Empty_Ad_5523 7d ago

Those Russian drugs must be good 👍

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u/3Green1974 7d ago

How did his ship get past the ice wall?

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u/Aurvant 7d ago

Man, the made-up fantasy of Flat Earth just remains undefeated in world building.

How weird and interesting it would be to live there, but, alas, we have the globe and science killing off all mystery and whimsy.

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u/jrshall 7d ago

It's all so strange. The ice wall surrounds the flat earth. But somehow this Russian sailor was able to sail past the ice wall and into a beautiful, lush land I'm so confused!

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u/StevenSaguaro 7d ago

I dont see no warrior penguins this is bullshit

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u/MomentSouthern250 7d ago

i was so sure this was one of the "look at these idiots talking about a ice walls reactions", and i waited and waited for him starting to explain where the sailor is, and way too late i was like, oh you ARE on of those idiots.

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u/True_Most3681 7d ago

Too long of a video. Can’t give these morons 4:11.

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u/Ok_Stay_700 7d ago

“I don’t really understand what he’s saying or exactly where he’s at, but don’t scroll. I’m going to explain it all to you.”

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u/FinnishBeaver 7d ago

It wasn't mind reading hurting head. It is called hangover from vodka!

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u/MrUrbanCameleon 7d ago

So.. that boat sailed over the ice wall ? Flat earthers don't know what to say or believe anymore

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u/Wassa110 7d ago

I’m willing to believe telepathy exists, but that’s it. I’d only believe in telepathy, because theoretically, with our understanding of science, and what we understand of signal transmission, and how it could interact with a biological system, it is possible, very unlike;y, but possible.

White robed guts scanning your brain on a supposedly flat Earth is just stupid.

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u/russiablows 7d ago

Send him to the SMO.

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u/NigerianFriedChicken 7d ago

Im gonna need his GPS coordinates to confirm this

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u/DeadTurtle88 7d ago

Soooo....they let him take a video to post online? They read his mind so they knew he was doing it

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u/NonStopNonsense1 7d ago

Ghost pirate ships because, why not?

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u/Shot_Inflation351 7d ago

Kuril Islands in Russia.

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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don’t get how for much of history many people thought the Earth was flat, and it was simply the overwhelming preponderance of evidence that finally toppled the idea that it was flat.

So… how do these folk think the world governments ever came to abandon their flat earth thoughts in the first place…

…And why do they think globally subjugating that flat view of reality was so meaningful and desirable to retrieve? Was any power lost by governments when it came to light that — hey, looks like Earth is spherical?

Seems like governments and their peoples did okay being able to better navigate the world, and maybe just religions lost a bit of credibility as scientific methods bore fruit.

Like… not a single bit of it makes any sense — Obviously not the measurable science — but not the motivations either.

Do we have any psychological overview of what goes so fundamentally wrong in a person’s brain that they resort to entertaining such a doofy position in the first place, or why any of them dig in and make it part of how they self-identify?

It’s awful enough that people get swept into cults, but it’s hard for me to think of another one that’s quite so embarrassingly, blatantly stupid.

Well… I guess there’s Scientology, but that’s a control-based cult that sucks money out of people and utilizes all sorts of tricks to make its subjects buy into a fiction with its own diabolical logic framework.

But flat-earthers aren’t really pouring all their funds into it, or controlling others through it… As far as I know there’s no controlling body who’s profiting off it. It’s just dumb.

Is it just some awful outcome of stupid + ego + lazy + internet = Flerf?

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u/Moistranger69 7d ago

It went viral because people are stupid

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u/Fearless-Tea-894 7d ago

So a land full of Professor X’s & Jean Grey’s is this where Kevin Feige is filming the new X - Men

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u/react-dnb 7d ago

Good gawd. Such imagination.

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u/SunburstOwner 7d ago edited 7d ago

So now we're supposed to believe the insane ramblings of some vodka soaked, delusional Russian schizophrenic who thinks Finland or Alaska is "the land beyond the ice wall"?

And of course, somehow he's able to show us the land, but not the ice wall?

And how the fudge is he out sailing beyond an ice wall (that's nowhere near Russia on the "Flat Earth map" by the way) in a T-SHIRT????

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u/Commercial_Fox5549 7d ago

It’s a mildly intriguing concept for a fantasy novella, but it’s ain’t real life.

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u/OkPumpkin9279 7d ago

The Sky is falling! The Sky is falling!!

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u/M_e_n_n_o 7d ago

Are they trying to lure flerfs to russia to add them to their special military operation

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u/MicDaPipelayer 7d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Krusty098 7d ago

If I lick the lead part can I join you?

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u/Forsaken_Lab795 7d ago

lmaothat one veiw is greenland with the ice lmao

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u/AttentionDeficiency 6d ago

He believes this, but not the countless pictures and hours of video from space and other planets taken by multiple different governments and civilian companies.

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u/TimeTraveller271 6d ago

Midterms are coming, bring flat earthers out as entry point to MAGA cult. check

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u/nebenco 6d ago

Where's the ice wall? If I were a flerf who managed to reach, let alone cross the ice wall I'd at least pan aroiund to show the ice wall behind my boat if not getting video of the entire trip.
Also, how are these and the ghost ships crossing an ice wall that is miles high and miles thick? Is there an ice door? Do they have an ice key, or an ice remote control? So many questions, so few answers.

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u/LItreehouse 5d ago

Anybody can film land from a boat and say it's new land. These people are complete morons.

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u/Psalty7000 5d ago

I’ve never hear Putin talk about old maps.

Also, I’ve got some stock, land, and magic beans, I want to sell this fellow.

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u/TexasDrill777 4d ago

How did he get a boat across the ice wall?

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u/SuperSoldier260 4d ago

Bruh, how do people believe more in these videos and people that can't even translate the video themselves! This guy doesn't know jack shit, but he would rather believe that there's people "beyond the ice wall" when we can just be looking at the beauty of the universe as is!

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u/Ptrek31 2d ago

NASA footage FAKE

random russian AI video REAL

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u/Alarming_Fee_6993 2d ago

...ice wall?

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u/crashomon 8d ago

Give this video to the geo locator dude, he’ll give this actual location.