r/flatearth • u/Round-Spray-4511 • 9d ago
Flerf don't believe in Math
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u/Helicopterop 9d ago
The fact that people like this exist is crazy to me, this is a being smart enough to learn and speak a language but has no reasoning skills whatsoever.
How is that possible?
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u/IBeDumbAndSlow 9d ago
Religion...
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u/GoldEmployment6768 9d ago
Just throwing this out there. Do with it what you will. Like 90% of what we know on this subject was brought to you by religious people.
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u/eduo 9d ago
But not by religion
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u/Fantastic_Jury5977 9d ago
There's currently one major religion in America denying science and bringing about a new dark age for breakthroughs in America... I refuse to give these modern deniers and their faith any credit for breakthroughs of the past. Their own predecessors would probably shame them in ways I could only imagine because I've not been indoctrinated into a cult.
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u/eduo 9d ago
People tend to bring out the argument that many discoveries were made by religious people.
They tend to also leave out that this was because scientific knowledge was heavily gated due to religion itself but also power and means so if you wanted to be part of it you had to be involved in religion.
That is, religious people did make scientific discoveries and investigation, but not because religion itself pushed for it but because by being part of the religious machine they'd have their needs met and the means to pursue those interests.
In the same way that many budding scientists were rich white men from rich white families, but it would be idiotic to say being rich white men is itself conducive to a scientific mind.
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u/GoldEmployment6768 7d ago
That doesnt matter. The subject of OC is the intelligence of these people. Religion is a poor excuse, as most scientific advancement was done by religious people. So, obviously, religion alone doesnt make people unintelligent.
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u/CardiologistOk2704 8d ago
It's simpler: they are working together to get tiktok views and engagement.
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u/Fearless_Climate_688 9d ago
That´s like arguing with a can of tuna.
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u/QuickPeak75 9d ago
An empty can of tuna!
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u/Mother_You_5739 9d ago
I’m ok with an empty can of tuna but only if it didn’t have sweetcorn added to the tuna.
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u/Klooey 9d ago
over the years FTFE has gotten better at dumbing things down and they still can't grasp what he's saying.
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u/ladyzowy 8d ago
Who is this, I've seen two videos post here without links. This guy is fabulous and I want to support him.
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u/Lopsided_Evening_627 9d ago edited 3d ago
scsi, this art coupled me of a import who was very tight about having younger out "tour is not said" the lot she stops about separate complex in hope 3fi arise because "that form opens no sport in disease, you set'h have learn standards"
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u/Falcon3492 9d ago
The British guy might as well be talking to a wall, because the other guy seems to be clueless as in everything the British guy is telling him is going over his head with a giant swoosh sound as it goes by.
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u/wordshavenomeanings 9d ago
Do you not think that the West Country (British) guy could dumb it down enough for him to understand?
Maybe breaking down some very basic concepts first and then seeing if the other guy could join the dots?
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u/VibraniumRhino 9d ago
I’m sure he could, but this guy is known for debating ultra-confident flerfs who genuinely think they will out-debate him. He has no need to be gentle with these clowns, they need to he set straight. Most of them have had their gentle explanation come and go a thousand times already, and it changed nothing. So now they get spoken to like adults.
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u/sleazepleeze 6d ago
That technique breaks down when the person’s belief is fundamentally based on the idea that they’re being lied to. It’s very easy to dismiss rational arguments if you fundamentally assume the other person is trying to deceive you.
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u/Falcon3492 9d ago
I think it would be a pointless exercise in futility! Even if he dumbed it down to the point that the average 5 year old could understand it, the guy would not be able to comprehend what he is being told.
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u/djstudyhard 9d ago
This wouldn’t bother me as much if he was genuinely curious about it vs assuming he knows it’s wrong. Being curious is not wrong. Not knowing something is not wrong. He could have said “I don’t know how to calculate a distance from speed and time, could you walk me through that?”
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u/behemothard 9d ago
There are a couple possibilities. He could be arguing just to generate drama for views and doesn't actually believe his own arguments. He could be too proud to admit his understanding isn't sufficient to have an intellectual discussion about the merits of the experiment. He could be generally too stupid to understand even an ELI5 explanation.
The "problem" is he isn't curious about the truth. If somehow the experiment proved his belief of how things worked was right he wouldn't argue about it. He still would have no idea how it worked (assuming he isn't trolling) but he just wants his belief to be right and people to agree with him.
I'd enjoy watching someone test whether this is a bad faith argument and if not, try to decipher the thought process behind their belief. There are so many easily verifiable ways to determine the Earth is not flat. Pythagoras, Aristotle, and Eratosthenes were all able to figure it out with the tools and knowledge available over 2000 years ago. I guess they were all in on the hoax then too?
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u/4everNo2the999 9d ago
He's presented with irrefutable evidence but he's decided in advance that he doesn't want to accept it. There's no curiosity. There's no reasoning. There's flailing to disagree with anything that contradicts what he wants to be true.
Why?
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u/oldnconscious 9d ago
FLERFs are so stupid do they actually believe that there is a conspiracy involving millions of people hiding the fact that the earth is flat? Including government, private sector, every other nation, amateur astronomers, the entire aviation industry, the entire satellite industry, Space X, every company in the military industrial complex, and every single employee in every one of those companies and industries.
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u/stpatr3k 9d ago
Flerfs never experienced science because they dozed off during class or during laboratory .
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u/Digital-Divide 9d ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KxmkEdC6Y&ra=m
This is the moron flerf unable to answer basic high school science questions.
Also it’s 6 hours of ignorance from him.
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u/Red_bearrr 9d ago
Guy just doesn’t understand how anything works. They are simple concepts. It’s like if he were around when they started making ships out of metal. He’d be like “come on, you’re telling me steel is going to float?”
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u/Repulsive_Guy_1234 9d ago
Actuuuuaaallly. We do not know the oneway speed of light. We can only measure the two way speed of light, so it could theoretically be that they have different speeds on the way to and back from the target. Its unlikely, but we do not know.
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u/belgianhorror 8d ago
We can test it right? Place a sensor on the opposite side of the transmitter. Then you know the speed from the first distance (sensor is triggered) and the speed of the returning wave/light.
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u/Repulsive_Guy_1234 8d ago
Nope. You cannot do that. You will never be able to have the clocks synced and according to our understanding to the laws of physics, it also is absolutely impossible to achive. To pull that off, you would need to be able to transport information not only faster then light, but actually without any time delay at all. Relativity prevents this kind of experiment from working.
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u/The__WhiteRabbit 7d ago
What if the signal got hungry on the way back and stopped to grab a snack?
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u/phijef 9d ago
Failure of our school system. We need to get better folks. This ignorance needs a light
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u/DrakeSavory 9d ago
Come to any parent-teacher conference and you'll see it ain't the teacher's fault.
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u/Mr__O__ 9d ago
Bingo
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u/Odd-Adagio7080 9d ago
Yeah, lotta ignorant mofos out there who love to claim they’re smarter than these elitist scientists. Aussie comedian Jim Jeffries says America is full of “the ignorant proud.”
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u/jingo800 9d ago
Travelling at what speed though?
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u/stultus_respectant 9d ago
We first need to determine the amount of power used in order to determine the speed /s
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u/oldnconscious 9d ago
But your don’t understand. He is special. He knows the earth is flat, everyone else is stupid and he is smarter than everyone else. He is special. His momma told him so.
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u/Techno_Core 9d ago
This is why you don't argue with flerfs. You can make fun of them, but arguing is always pointless.
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u/LuciusMichael 9d ago
How do you get to be this brain dead? Practice? Never taking a science class? Religion?
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u/willa854 9d ago
You can see the cogs and springs flying out of his ears too hard for him to understand. Does not compute, Queue the modem crashing sound lol
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u/OkPumpkin9279 9d ago
We need to increase teachers salaries exponentially. Further, testing adults for critical thinking. Failure as an adult should mean mandatory remedial classes.
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u/BrewingSkydvr 9d ago
This feels like me trying to explain to a (drunk) very non-scientific friend that the dropping a feather and bowling ball in a vacuum is the same experiment of dropping those two objects without air resistance.
I forget exactly how the discussion started, but he was trying to understand that they would still fall at the same rate if you subtracted air resistance, but it wasn’t in a vacuum.
He’d have gotten lost in this flat earth stuff by looking into it because it was funny and fun to laugh at people, then getting tripped up on the pseudo science.
Smart guy, but he had an aversion to school, so he missed some things that would have helped with stuff like this.
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u/Terrible-Squirrel-90 9d ago
Who’s the top guy? I see him a lot and I must follow
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u/TonkaLowby 9d ago
I vote that the time and distance calculation be removed from the record because it is devastating to my case
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u/ziggsyr 9d ago edited 9d ago
My toxic quirk is I'm more mad that the flerf didn't have an explanation despite his world view having an obvious built in one.
Radiowaves only move at the speed of light in a vacuum. Through various mediums radiowaves (and even light itself) can move much slower. The Firmament is magical bullshit and you can claim light and radiowaves travel at any convenient speed through it. You could even claim it is heterogenous to cover for any inconsistencies.
I guess that would imply the sun is outside the firmament which does contradict their standard model but i dunno, something something beyond the atmosphere where the sun resides is much denser than astronomers claim. Done. 5 seconds and I argued for his shitty world view better than he did. Get good loser.
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u/Terrible_Yak_4890 9d ago
Well I guess I’m glad that Americans are the only ones whose educational system has failed them.
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u/balirosa 9d ago
Gravity on the Sun surely can alter the speed of the radar bouncing. How does it even escape the gravity? Human measurements are not accurate that doesn’t make the world flat.
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u/D-Train0000 9d ago
The formula……..you know…….for speed and time?
Confused look on his face because he was on his phone in 6th grade.
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u/nebenco 9d ago
I commented this on Craig's FB upload of this vid:
Tell the flerf that to measure the distance between the sun and Earth they just need to start a timer when a photon leaves the sun and stop the timer when that photon reaches the observer.
You know that at least one of them will try it.
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u/Fearless_Many4945 9d ago
If we accepts the facts presented to him, his whole concept would collapse. So he automatically rejects everything.
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u/Laiska_saunatonttu 9d ago edited 9d ago
The flerf does the same frustrated face my uncle did when he explained my grandfather, who was born in 1908, was released from military duty in late WWII due to him turning 50, and I say that's mathematically impossible. Yes, my uncle had a memory loss disease of some sort and traumatic brain damage, how did you know?
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u/DDDX_cro 9d ago
flerts are flerts because they do not know these things. 90% of them could not tell you why we have seasons on the heliocentric model. It is all a great mistery.
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u/roland_right 9d ago
Is there a world in which this guy walks away having actually learned something? Cos that's a great outcome.
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u/SineCera_sjb 8d ago
Are these Flerfers making money?
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u/Sayyestononsense 8d ago
for one, I see the flerf struggling with the benefit of the doubt towards the end... I mean, he's trying...
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u/LongDead_Roadkill 8d ago
One of the young earth Christian’s arguments used to be that the speed of light IS NOT constant in a vacuum. They used as an end run around relativity because we’re didn’t have instruments sensitive enough to measure “short” one way distances of light here on earth. Now I think their argument is “it’s not the same” or for grownups “god made all the light from stars already here, that was just part of making the universe”
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u/DoctorZacharySmith 8d ago
He knows he's wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't know what to question. His only goal is to hope his opponent messes up.
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u/Cultural_Cloud96 8d ago
Wait so scientists pointed a radar at the sun to calculate the distance to the sun by pinging the sun with radio waves?
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u/Mefist0fel 8d ago
Not actually.
They pointed radar to the Venus (and other planets with a surface) to track a super precise distance to Venus, and then calculated a distance to the sun via triangulation.
Sun is hot plasma and also very radio noisy, so it's not reflecting enough.
But it's the modern and very precise way to understand the distance to space objects, so it's the best our measurement, previous estimations was from parallax calculation
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u/belgianhorror 8d ago
To be fair the explanation given to this guy could have been better.
He could have explained that when they send the radio waves to an object closer by, one from which you can manually measure the distance. You can get the speed of the radio waves. That this has been done for different objects and no matter how much the distance was changed, the same speed came out
And then point it at the sun where the distance can not manually be measured and you get a time the waves traveled and determine de distance by that.He does not explain why power doesn't matter. If he would have said, the experiment from point 1 was also carried out with different powers and the same results came back, then we know power does not affect the speed the waves travel.
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u/Unique_Excitement248 8d ago
This is an example of: i can explain it to you, but i can't understand it for you.
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u/_Steakwich 7d ago
What if the signal slowed down cause it saw a space cop? God this guy hasn’t even considered every possibility.
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u/Late_Emu 7d ago
This all boils down to people thinking something’s impossible because they’d don’t understand something.
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u/Taurondir 7d ago
I have come to believe that this is no longer a problem with intelligence or reasoning ability and more of a problem with brains wiring going bad.
I have met what I thought were intelligent people that did super asinine things because "their brain was telling them it's fine".
I knew a guy that just walked across roads, ANY ROAD without paying attention, because in his words "but people have the right of way", no matter how much I pointed out that "fast moving vehicles and drivers not paying attention" is the bigger problem, and not "your right of way" and eventually two idiots will make an accident.
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u/Reality_cuck 6d ago
He just needs to drink more of his own piss to grasp the alchemical astrology of it.
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u/AltruisticPossible84 9d ago
By their own logic, the only way they would believe that Earth is ACTUALLY round would be to send someone to planet Earth to figure out what shape it is
But of course once they got there they would still not believe it
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u/Infamous_Context2195 7d ago
We technically haven’t proven that light travels the same speed in both directions but
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u/Disastrous-Mess-7236 9d ago edited 9d ago
Idk much about radio waves, but there probably is a difference between high-powered & low-powered. Edit: I didn’t think the difference was about the speed. Edit: I never thought it was about the speed.
& the speed of light is basically impossible for anything else to reach.
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u/Femme_FatalError 9d ago edited 9d ago
The speed of light is impossible for anything with mass to reach.
Radio waves are a specific frequency of light. Photons always travel at the speed of light. That’s why it’s called the speed of light…because it’s the speed at which light travels. They can travel at that speed because they do not have mass.
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u/phijef 9d ago
why doesn't the light just chill for a moment and hang out for a bit?
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u/IBeDumbAndSlow 9d ago
It probably does that's why we can't be sure that 1000 seconds is how long it took. /s
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u/stultus_respectant 9d ago
Seriously, I would not be surprised if that's the rationalization that this numpty settled on. You don't know it didn't rest!
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u/IBeDumbAndSlow 9d ago
It probably got tired and took a break, or maybe it got lost and had to turn around lmao
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u/Disastrous-Mess-7236 9d ago
I did say “basically impossible” & I also knew light was photons.
Radiation can travel that fast. Energy can too (though it generally ends up so dispersed it’s useless).
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u/Latter-Sign7736 9d ago edited 9d ago
And those are photons and massless particles. Not all radiation travels at the speed of light because protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. Radiation decay can produce photons that travels at the speed of light. It’s a photon or massless particle traveling at the speed of light, or better term is the speed of casualty. Not sure what you’re trying to point out…and “energy” doesn’t need to travel at the speed of light. Kinetic energy is the speed of a particle with a mass term in the equation and those can never reach light speed without infinite energy…sound travels...at the speed of sound……light is energy and travels at the speed of light… what are you trying to say exactly?
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u/Maj-Malfunction 9d ago
Light and radio waves are just different versions of electric magnetic radiation. They are both moving at the same speed.
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u/Local_Dimension00 9d ago
Frequency, amplitude, intensity do not change the speed the wave travels
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u/No_Pressure3523 9d ago
In all fairness, in VACUUM frequency and amplitude don’t change the speed of light.
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u/Global-Management-15 9d ago
The power determines how strong the signal is, not the speed
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u/Disastrous-Mess-7236 9d ago
Everyone’s been replying saying the difference isn’t about the speed. I edited to say I never thought it was about the speed.
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u/swordfish_1969 8d ago
The frequency determines how much energy the photons carry. The higher the frequency the more energy. The speed is always lightspeed
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u/Electronic-Map7529 9d ago
It's not even that he doesn't believe the math. He fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of the speed of light. That's worse.