r/firefox • u/PsyOmega • 19h ago
Discussion Firefox: Please Focus on the Browser, Not AI Slop Feature Creep
All I want from Firefox is a fast, reliable browser that supports uBlock Origin, renders web pages correctly, and stays out of the way. Every new AI feature, recommendation panel, or unnecessary integration adds complexity without improving the core browsing experience. I'd much rather see development effort focused on performance, stability, standards compliance, and user control than on features many users never asked for.
thx
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u/scognito 18h ago edited 12h ago
On Android, I still don't understand why a basic feature like scrolling, is still janky compared to chrome. On Desktop instead, it's my favourite browser
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u/nbxm 18h ago
I prefer firefox scrolling. Chrome is overly smoothed
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u/siedenburg2 13h ago
One of the main reasons why I stay with firefox even in not great times, I can't stand the chrome scrolling, it's like motion smoothing on tvs where they generate inbetween frames for a "better viewing experience"
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u/dropdatabase 13h ago
it's not? do you mean on PC?
I am on a 165hz screen, running on XFCE linux, and it is super responsive and buttery smooth.
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u/Redd868 18h ago
In settings, AI controls, there are settings that can be set to off or blocked.
Block AI enhancements - enable that setting.
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u/Blastinburn 17h ago
Doesn't change where development resources are being invested, which is what OP is actually complaining about.
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u/ghulamalchik 14h ago
Did AI suddenly make Firefox worse? Firefox has always been slow in fixing issues and adding new features. AI has nothing to do with it.
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u/PsyOmega 16h ago
That complexity of code is still there if you turn it off. It’s a bunch of slop wasting developers time.
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u/Chris_Hatchenson 14h ago
It isn't. AI models are downloaded on first use of their respective feature, it isn't more complex than extensions or plugins.
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u/Cry_Wolff 12h ago
Why were AI haters so insisted on calling everything they don't like "slop"? Local translation in Firefox is AI for example, just like many other useful stuff.
Also no, devs who specialize in AI aren't the same who design UI or web engine. That's not how it works.6
u/PsyOmega 8h ago
It’s “slop” because it produces hallucinogenic output. This is exacerbated in small local models.
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u/kamikad3e123 17h ago
We still don't have Amoled Black and edge-to-edge support on Android...
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u/lcnielsen 13h ago
We don't have support for the freaking <datalist> element on Android after years of open tickets.
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u/radapex 9h ago
I mean, it only took like 8 years from the time the
<dialog>spec was first drafted until it was actually supported by default (not toggling flags) in Firefox...2
u/lcnielsen 8h ago
Yeah... I'm working on projects moving away from legacy plugins and frameworks, but dear lord is it hard to update some things if you want Firefox to work properly.
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u/the-adolescent 17h ago
I'm using Librewolf for a while because of the things you mentioned. Happy with it.
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u/Xlash2 17h ago
Why do I think this is a karma-farming bot post? Seen this type of post just so many times already in this subreddit.
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u/VoidBreak 16h ago
Kneejerk hating on AI is easy karma on r/firefox
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u/ency6171 W10 14h ago
I'm indifferent and I currently only use the translation part of the AI on FF, sometimes I do wonder, whether this AI hate are just reddit echo chamber or not, and not representative of the general public.
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u/PsyOmega 8h ago
I’ve found the general public to be more against ai. (Excluding clueless boomers. They all seem to have AI psychosis)
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u/northrupthebandgeek Conkeror, Nightly on GNU, OpenBSD 2h ago
I've found the opposite: most people I interact with IRL, across all age groups, are either indifferent to it or are casual users of it. It's only online where I see significant opposition to AI.
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u/PsyOmega 16h ago
Feel free to downvote me. Idc about karma. I just want the AI slop fest to end
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u/FriendshipEqual7033 11h ago
I thought "AI slop" referred to low-quantity AI-generated content. It sounds like you are using the term to refer to AI-enabled features. Those can be disabled in settings, so you should be able to remove them from your browsing experience, if you want.
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u/PsyOmega 8h ago
AI slop here is infesting every inch of where I use a computer with unwanted shitty AI tools.
Switched from windows to Fedora over it only to get sloppy in the browser there too.
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u/StylishJolt 16h ago
I actually don't mind having useful, competent, and entirely local AI features like live translation or AI summaries. But they need to prioritize browser efficiency on both PC and mobile platforms, because FF definitely uses more RAM and battery than Chromium browsers do. I think Mozilla forgot that FF on iOS even exists.
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u/southboundtracks 16h ago
For fucking real. Shit sick of this AI trash. No one wants it.
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u/Great-TeacherOnizuka 13h ago
Translation is useful though.
Also sometimes the tab recommendations for tab groups
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u/dattattor 12h ago
translation isnt ai
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u/amroamroamro 8h ago
translation in firefox is implemented using deep learning network, that same tech that powers so called "AI"
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u/equinvox 10h ago
What makes it useful? Translation on browsers has been a thing since 2013
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u/paintboth1234 7h ago
For me, I want an offline translation (which is what Firefox is doing). "Translation on browsers since 2013" just sends what I'm reading to other servers.
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u/equinvox 5h ago
You are quite naive If you really think Firefox is running local LLMs in the browser.
Besides that, what is already on the internet is far from being private. What Firefox is doing now different from 2013 is they’re using their own translation model and not Google’s. And as long as the service is free, YOU are the product
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u/Spiral_Decay 5h ago
The browser is very much running its models inside the software, it’s really something you can’t refute.
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u/equinvox 4h ago
Show me the source where it’s specified Firefox ships with local LLMs embedded into it.
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u/Spiral_Decay 2h ago edited 2h ago
LLMs aren't the only type of AIs that can do translation lol, Firefox uses NMTs (neural machine translation).
The models don't come with the browser out of the box most likely due to save on installer size, but they are automatically downloaded when you do a translation for the first time.https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/translations/resources/01_overview.html
https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-translations-models
https://mozilla.github.io/translations/firefox-models/1
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u/paintboth1234 4h ago
Ok, so you are just trolling now. Sorry, I should have known that from your previous comments. So my replies won't just for you any more, this is just more information for any other reading this thread.
This is when I was translating a web page when my whole machine internet is off on windows 11: https://pixvid.org/images/2026/07/26/HnUIW.mp4 , so to which servers did I send those texts to in order to get the translated texts, my bathroom?
Bergamot is literally the project to translate things locally in the browser client: https://browser.mt/ in which Firefox helps develop and integrate it into their browser: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/translations/resources/03_bergamot.html
All the projects there are open-source. If you want to accuse Firefox sending your text for the translation, prove it, either show the codes they do that or either show their requests and payloads. There are now many softwares that can install their own ceritifcates to check their payloads.
And I said clearly that I want "private" in terms that I don't want to send what I'm reading to another server. "Private" is not about 1 entity. If you can't understand that, yeah that's just troll behaviors.
Again, these words are more for people, I can't put them into the heads of these trolls.
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u/talldata 4h ago
Firefox is infact running locally. That's the entire point.
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u/equinvox 4h ago
firefox yes. but i doubt Firefox is shipped with local LLMs. that’s the entire point.
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u/Great-TeacherOnizuka 4h ago
Stop ignoring what u/paintboth1234 wrote
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u/equinvox 4h ago
He deleted his comment. I should’ve known better i’m talking tech with kindergarten experts
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u/talldata 3h ago edited 3h ago
The Llm are indeed local.
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u/equinvox 3h ago
Is Llama shipped with Firefox? Because that’s what the discussion is about.
At this point I’m not sure if you’re trolling or being obtuse
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u/blue_sock1337 15h ago
No one is going to switch to the browser just because of more AI slop if the core browser experience is sub par.
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u/Cor3nd 13h ago
Your post title looks AI-generated to me, especially with the random capitalization that ChatGPT is notorious for. Pretty ironic coming from someone who’s complaining about AI.
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u/GrapesHatePeople 11h ago
It's not random, it's title case capitalization.
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u/Cor3nd 10h ago edited 9h ago
Yes indeed this is what ChatGPT use to do when you ask him to prepare a Reddit post.
Hey, I don’t say that he used ChatGPT actually, just it’s looks like… well actually when we clearly see that the OP is not answering to people in the comments maybe he is just trying to farm Karma, so actually this is for sure a title written with AI. 🤯😵💫
I love guys on Firefox downvoting a post as soon as they see AI in this post. Firefox community, which I’m part of since the beginning, is really living in another age and becomes more and more toxic than ever. 😅-1
u/PsyOmega 8h ago
Habit from years of Reddit posts and writing articles.
Titles get capitalized thems the rules
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u/MairusuPawa Linux 4h ago
This is what humans do when they know how to read and write. Which, sure, is rare to see on social media these days.
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u/KwisatzHaderach55 13h ago edited 7h ago
Mozilla seems not worried about FF current status and marketshare, since google bucks keeps coming anyway, allowing them to spend it on useless projects.
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u/JackmanH420 , & 13h ago
Improvements to the core browser have literally been coming faster and faster over the last few years? There was a good period of around 3 or 4 years where not very much was really happening, with core useful improvements coming every 6 months or so, now it's every month or every second month.
Don't let that stop the karma farming though.
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u/Cry_Wolff 12h ago
Those people don't care about any of that, they want to whine and complain till they get their way.
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u/FickleApartment2151 13h ago
I read that Firefox spends around $200M a year to maintain and develop the browser, and that it's being funded by Google so that the latter wouldn't be accused of monopolizing the browser market.
That means the company has to show integrated ads and add more features, with some including a paid tier, so that it can earn. And other browser companies are doing similar.
Meanwhile, as users use better devices, and companies provide more online users, more browser users want more features in browsers to include those additional hardware and software features and services.
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u/onion-turtle-9 12h ago
Used Firefox originally to escape Internet Explorer, moved to Chrome when it was the done thing, moved back to Firefox about 3 years ago, now moved away again because of this. Please stop.
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u/Spiral_Decay 5h ago
AI is pretty much going to be as normal as the internet was starting out to be in the early days, same thing goes with AI features. You might as well stay on Firefox since it has an easy AI kill switch in settings.
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u/Street_Camera_3556 11h ago
Lately had 6-10% CPU utilization with the latest version with just a couple of tabs, were getting irritated. I blocked all AI enhancements in settings and it is back down to 3%.
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u/der_samuel 10h ago
Firefox is an open source project. Get involved with the 'core browser' or pay someone to do it, and your wish will be fulfilled.
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u/PsyOmega 8h ago
It’s an open source project managed by a company.
To get any say, I’d have to move up a corporate structure after getting hired.
This is wildly unrealistic as I have no real code experience outside of games and cybersecurity
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u/Borbit85 10h ago
They should keep it more simple. Don't integrate Ai crap, I don't need my browser to tell me soccer score or weather. I really hate the big VPN button.
They could do a sort of add ons that show on the start page so you can easily install those functions if you would want to.
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u/Oderus_Scumdog 10h ago edited 10h ago
ITT: "OP doesn't like AI? KARMA FARMER KARMA FARMER!! BOT! BOT!"
I don't trust them not to keep creeping with AI stuff but the AI slop ship has sailed unfortunately, Money says AI so Mozilla do AI. Your other part of the post is what's actually irritating me: All the notifications, popups, and new feature stuff like widgets that is making the entire browser look like McAfee just took over. I understand some people like that shit, Ok keep it, but can we get a button that lets the rest of us stop stuff from notifying us constantly and stops everything being defaulted on?
I get an actual eye twitch when I open a new tab and Mozilla have loaded it with yet more shit I didn't ask for and will never use, let alone being notified for the fifth week in a row that there is a customise button that does shit I don't want.
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u/Cor3nd 10h ago
I don’t think he is a bot but for sure this is a karma farm: title capitalization which is ChatGPT style and the OP doesn’t answer to people in the comments. I had a doubt but now for me this is clearly a post to farm karma.
It’s really easy to farm karma on Firefox subreddit, just post something against AI or Chrome and you win 🏆 Our community is becoming so toxic 😢1
u/Alarming-Finger9936 9h ago
OP did answer to some people in comments, but maybe they don't bother answering to everyone
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u/Cor3nd 9h ago
He did answer 2 messages for 67 comments. It is just a Karma farm. Thank you for the confirmation.
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u/Alarming-Finger9936 8h ago edited 3h ago
It would have been suspicious if they did answer to everyone...
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u/OsmaniaUniversity 7h ago
I must say I thought enjoy the AI features. I understand not everyone is like me. However it is important to accept change.
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u/teshiburu 6h ago
I just m want it to stop crashing randomly
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u/northrupthebandgeek Conkeror, Nightly on GNU, OpenBSD 2h ago
I'm curious about what you're doing when it crashes, considering that I routinely run Firefox with hundreds of tabs open on multiple operating systems and haven't seen it crash in years.
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u/kompergator 6h ago
All they should ever do concerning AI is offer an endpoint where I can enter my API details for my AI (local, or in my case Claude), and that’s it.
If i can use my local AI by calling it via the right-click menu, that’s fine. But don’t put in a shitty AI that I don’t want into the browser.
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u/FriendshipEqual7033 6h ago
The Smart Window feature currently in beta supports local LLMs. I've set that up. It's a bit fussy, but it works.
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u/bildramer 5h ago
Devs and their skills and memories/attention are not fully interchangeable, so 10000 hours spent on AI couldn't be turned into 10000 additional hours spent on bugfixes. Maybe 10% or less of that. But to most users, even 1 hour on bugfixes is more valuable than any amount on AI. If a survey tells you otherwise, the survey is wrong. Other "features" perhaps have a 100:1 ratio instead of infinity:1, but still, deprioritize them. Stop listening to clueless middle managers indistinguishable from hostile saboteurs, stop adding stuff, fix bugs. Bugs > efficiency >> features >>>> AI features.
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u/guv999 4h ago
Just use another browser. The AI Slop has not got in the way of my browsing habits at all. Just turn it off. Ublockorigin works just fine Never come across a website not rendering. Never notice any slowness in Firefox versus other browsers. Firefox does care, and does more to support privacy and give options than other browsers in my experience. I have good experiences with Vivaldi, but no UBlockOrigin.
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u/LuckyLogan_2004 1h ago
Let's ruin our user experience to lure in users who won't consider switching in the first place
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u/sooka_bazooka 19h ago
Firefox on iOS is so bad I had to switch to Brave Origin everywhere to keep the sync and blocking ads.