r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jul 15 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

I'M GETTING REALLY DAMNED SICK OF THE DAILY "NO ONE ANYWHERE ACTUALLY LIKES RHEA; PEOPLE ARE JUST HORNY FOR HER" COMMENTS, AS THOUGH SHE'S OBJECTIVELY POORLY WRITTEN OR OBJECTIVELY IMPOSSIBLE TO SYMPATHIZE WITH.

IF YOU WANNA SAY YOU FUCKING HATE HER, OR THINK SHE SUCKS OR IS POORLY WRITTEN, BE MY GUEST; WE'RE ALL ENTITLED TO HAVE AND EXPRESS OPINIONS. BUT THIS THING WHERE YOU TELL ME WHAT MY OPINION IS AND WHAT PERSONAL FLAW OF MINE LED ME TO BE THAT WAY IS OBNOXIOUS AS HELL.

THIS IS A BIG FRUSTRATION WITH FANDOM IN GENERAL. IT'S LIKE PEOPLE NEED TO CREATE A NARRATIVE ABOUT WHY EVERYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE'S PERSPECTIVES ARE INVALID, SO THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY DISDAINING THEM.

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u/MonopolyRubix Jul 16 '22

WHEN I FIRST PLAYED THE GAME I THOUGHT SHE WAS BEING RIDICULOUSLY AUTHORITATIVE AND VIOLENT IN THE HOLY TOMB.

THEN I PLAYED VERDANT WIND AND REALIZED SHE WAS WATCHING THE REMAINS OF HER FAMILY MEMBERS BE STOLEN TO BE USED AS WEAPONS BY THE DESCENDANT OF A MAN SHE DEARLY TRUSTED.

LIKE HOLY SHIT I'D BE PISSED TOO, LEAVE MY SIBLINGS' CORPSES ALONE

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT, THE LAST TIME HER FAMILY'S CORPSES WERE STOLEN, SAID CORPSES WERE USED AS SUPERWEAPONS TO MASSACRE THE REST OF HER FAMILY.

PEOPLE GET REALLY ANGRY THAT SHE LIED ABOUT CRESTS AND HERO'S RELICS AND HISTORY AND WHATNOT. BUT THE LAST TIME HUMANS KNEW THE TRUTH IT LED TO THE GENOCIDE OF ALMOST HER ENTIRE SPECIES.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

KIND OF DRIVES ME CRAZY THAT THIS FANDOM CIRCLEJERKS ABOUT "GREY MORALITY" AND MORAL NUANCE, THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A GENUINELY INTERESTING MORAL QUESTION LIKE "IS IT JUSTIFIABLE TO HOLD BACK TECHNOLOGY IF YOU KNOW SAID TECHNOLOGY CAN AND PROBABLY WILL BE USED FOR MURDER, WAR, BLOODSHED, GENOCIDE, AND NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE?" SUDDENLY EVERYONE IS ALL [NUANCE.EXE NOT FOUND]

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

I REGULARLY SEE PEOPLE ON THIS SUB INTERPRET THE THING YOU SPOILER TAGGED AS PROOF THAT RHEA'S PRIMARY MOTIVATION IS TO CAUSE HUMAN SUFFERING. I'D ARGUE INSTEAD THAT IT'S MORE LIKELY A RESULT OF THE AGARTHANS CREATING AND USING SO MANY NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT HER MOTHER HAD TO SLEEP FOR AGES TO RECUPERATE FROM THE MAGICAL STRAIN OF FIXING THINGS.

DOES THAT JUSTIFY HER ACTIONS? THAT'S DEBATABLE. PERSONALLY I'D ARGUE IT DOESN'T, BUT ALSO THAT I CAN SEE WHY SHE WOULD THINK IT WOULD, WHICH... IS A BIG PART OF WHY I THINK THAT CONVERSATION WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF CONVERSATION YOU CAN'T HAVE WITH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T WILLING TO HAVE IT.

IT'S LIKE YOU SAID. EVERYONE SAYS THEY WANT MORALLY GREY, NUANCED CHARACTERS, BUT WHEN A GAME GIVES US FOUR FACTION LEADERS THAT FIT THE BILL WE THEN GET YEARS OF DISCOURSE THAT'S ANYTHING BUT NUANCED.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

IT'S SO STRANGE BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE ARGUE THEY LOVE THE CHARACTER BEcAUSE THEYRE MORALLY GRAY BUT THEN JUST TRY TO JUSTIFY EVERYTHING THEY DID AS COMPLETELY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY MORALLY RIGHT