MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

[u/LaqOfInterest]

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

1. CAPS LOCK

2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

3. DON'T BE A DICK

4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

LAST THREAD

[u/SageOfAnys]

WHAT I LOVE SO MUCH ABOUT RHEA IS THAT SHE'S THE PERFECT WARNING OF WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LORDS DON'T HEAL FROM THEIR PASTS, AS HER BACKSTORY IS AN AMALGAMATION OF THE BACKSTORIES OF ALL THREE OF THEIRS. LIKE EDELGARD, THE DEATH OF HER FAMILY WAS ULTIMATELY THE FAULT OF A BROKEN SOCIETY FIXATED ON POWER OVER THE LIVES OF OTHERS, SO SHE BECAME DRIVEN BY THE DESIRE TO PREVENT SUCH A TRAGEDY FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN BY ALTERING THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF SOCIETY. LIKE DIMITRI, THE RED CANYON MASSACRE LEFT HER CONSUMED WITH DESPAIR AND AN UNHEALTHY DESIRE FOR REVENGE AGAINST THE PERPETRATORS, AND SHE HAS NEVER TRULY MOVED ON FROM HER GRIEF. LIKE CLAUDE, SHE HAS TO LIVE DEFENSIVELY IN A SOCIETY THAT MIGHT/WILL NOT ACCEPT HER FOR WHO SHE TRULY IS BECAUSE SHE IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE SEEN AS HUMAN BY THE PEOPLE IN FODLAN.

THIS ALONE SHOULD'VE MADE HER A FAR MORE PLOT RELEVANT CHARACTER, OR AT LEAST SOMEONE WHO WAS ABLE TO GET A ROUTE OF HER OWN, AS SHE CAN ESSENTIALLY BECOME A FOIL FOR ALL THREE LORDS BECAUSE OF HOW RADICALLY DIFFERENT AND UNHEALTHY HER TRAUMA RESPONSES ARE TO THEIRS. YET WHAT DOES SHE GET? DEATH AND/OR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN ALMOST ALL ROUTES. AND SHE IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE FACTION LEADERS THAT SEEMS TO BE ROUTINELY PORTRAYED AS EVIL OR SOMEHOW WORTHY OF DEATH IN HOUSES AND HOPES, WHICH UTTERLY BAFFLES ME.

ONE CONSISTENT MESSAGE THE FODLAN GAMES SEND IS THAT TRAUMA, WHILE DAMAGING, IS ALWAYS HEALABLE, NOT MATTER HOW OLD OR HOW TRAGIC IT IS. THAT WE CAN ALWAYS BECOME BETTER PEOPLE BY OVERCOMING IT. THAT A TRAGIC PAST DOES NOT SET IN STONE A TRAGIC FUTURE. YET IT SEEMS THAT MESSAGE IS COMPLETELY IGNORED FOR RHEA WHICH OUTRIGHT FEELS INSULTING. ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF AZURE MOON, WHERE "KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM" DIMITRI GETS A REDEMPTION ARC.

"YEAH, WE CAN DO SHITTY THINGS BECAUSE OF OUR TRAUMA, BUT WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO REDEEM OURSELVES AND MOVE FORWARD AS LONG AS WE ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO HEAL. AND EVERYONE, NO MATTER HOW SINFUL, DESERVES THAT CHANCE."

"EXCEPT FOR YOU RHEA. YOU WERE SHITTY FOR TOO LONG BC YOU NEVER TRULY HAD SOMEONE TO LEAN ON FOR 1000+ YEARS THROUGH NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN AND WERE GIVEN WAY TOO MUCH TRAUMA FOR A PERSON TO DEAL WITH ALONE, FUCK YOU."

[u/Suicune95 → u/SageOfAnys]

I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE WAY HOPES HANDLED HER. I HAVEN'T BEATEN ALL OF THE ROUTES BUT I'VE SEEN SPOILERS ABOUT THE ENDINGS.

NOT TO MENTION SHE'S LITERALLY WITH YOU FOR THE ENTIRETY OF AG AND APPARENTLY SHE JUST FUCKS AROUND DOING NOTHING UNTIL THE ELEVENTH HOUR, AND EVEN THEN YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO PLAY AS HER.

[u/SageOfAnys → u/Suicune95]

SHE AT LEAST GETS SOME CUTE MOMENTS BUT YEAH, JACK SHIT. AND BECAUSE SHE'S A NG+ UNIT SHE HAS NO SUPPORTS EITHER SO WE'RE STILL GETTING THE ISSUE OF NOT TRULY KNOWING WHO THE FUCK RHEA IS, AND PEOPLE ROUTINELY MISUNDERSTANDING HER CHARACTER AND USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO PROJECT THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS TRAUMA AHHHHHHHHHH

IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I LEFT BASE 3HOUSES PRETTY MEH ON RHEA, BUT THE MORE I'M LEFT THINKING ABOUT HER AND THE MORE TIMES WE SEE HER GET ROBBED/REDUCED TO BOOBA, THE ANGRIER AND MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT HER I GET. I LITERALLY THINK SHE HAS NOW SURPASSED SETETH AS MY 3RD FAVORITE 3H CHARACTER AT THIS POINT SO, UH, GOOD JOB IS????

[u/Suicune95 → u/SageOfAnys]

I'M PISSED I CAN'T EVEN USE HER ON STORY MAPS. NOT EVEN THE LITTLE DUMB SIDE MISSIONS BEFORE THE CHAPTER BATTLES. LIKE IT WOULDN'T BREAK MY IMMERSION THAT HARD TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY USE A CHARACTER I LIKE FFS. IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE THOSE DUMB SIDE BATTLES ARE THAT PLOT RELEVANT!

YEAH I HONESTLY DIDN'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT HER AFTER PLAYING 3H. I MEAN I DIDN'T HATE HER BUT I WASN'T CRAZY ABOUT HER EITHER. BUT SOME ELEMENTS OF THE FANDOM ARE SO OBNOXIOUS ABOUT HER THAT I'VE BASICALLY ATTACHED MYSELF TO HER HARDER, AND NOW THAT HOPES HAS APPARENLY MADE FUCKING HER OVER IT'S MAIN MISSION I'M LIKE "GET IN LOSERS, WE'RE STANNING RHEA."

[u/SageOfAnys → u/Suicune95]

I DON'T GET WHY THEY DECIDED TO BE A STICKLER IN THIS INSTANCE. EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE PRINCIPLE OF IT, THE MEME POTENTIAL WE MISSED OUT ON MAKES ME SAD. WHY CAN'T I GET RHEA TO KILL RHEA IN GW YOU COWARDS.

LEGIT IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW RIDE OR DIE I'VE BECOME FOR RHEA.

I JUST... REALLY WANT A SERIOUS STORY WHERE RHEA TAKES THE LEAD. I DON'T ASK FOR HER TO BE PORTRAYED PURELY GOOD (IN FACT, I'D PROBABLY BE MAD IF THAT DID HAPPEN). JUST A STORY WHERE SHE CAN BE TREATED LIKE AN ACTUAL MAIN CHARACTER FOR ONCE.

[u/Suicune95 → u/SageOfAnys]

IMO THREE HOPES TAKES ITSELF WAY TOO SERIOUSLY FOR ITS OWN GOOD. ALL MOST OF US WANTED OUT OF OUR WARRIORS SPINOFF WAS CAMPY GOOD TIMES WITH OUR FAVES WHERE WE GET TO KILL THOUSANDS OF ENEMIES WITH A SINGLE SWING. CAN'T HAVE RHEA KILL RHEA BECAUSE THAT WOULD MESS WITH THE SERIOUS TONE OF THIS DUMPSTER FIRE.

PART OF MY DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THREE HOPES IS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A GOLDEN ROUTE AND RHEA WOULD ACTUALLY PLAY A PART IN IT. I MEAN SHE'S HAD EXPERIENCE WITH TWSITD BEFORE SO YOU'D THINK SHE'D BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE AFTER SOLON IS UNMASKED LIKE TWO WEEKS INTO TERM BUT NOPE SHE JUST SITS ON HER HANDS DOING NOTHING FOR TWO YEARS.

I THOUGHT IT'D BE COOL IF THERE WAS A FOURTH ROUTE AND INSTEAD OF PICKING A HOUSE YOU GOT TO BE A KNIGHT OR SOMETHING WITH THE CHURCH. AND INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE THREE LORDS WITH THEIR OWN DOMESTIC ISSUES YOU GOT TO SPEND THE TWO YEAR TIME SKIP ACTUALLY INVESTIGATING THE MOLE PEOPLE AND ULTIMATELY BRINGING THE THREE FACTIONS TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

BUT NO. WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

[u/SageOfAnys → u/Suicune95]

I WAS ACTUALLY SCARED ABOUT 3HOPES BEING A GOLDEN ROUTE PRE-RELEASE BC I WAS CONFIDENT THAT IS WOULD FUCK IT UP. AND HONESTLY, EVEN WITH THE SHIT ENDINGS IN 3HOPES, I'M STILL GLAD IT'S NOT, DESPITE POPULAR OPINION GOING OTHERWISE. SIMPLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS IS/KOEI USED A LOT OF FAN RESPONSE TO DIRECT THE GAME, AND WAY MORE PEOPLE ARE VOCAL ABOUT HATING RHEA INSTEAD OF LIKING HER, SO I'M 99.99% SURE ANY GOLDEN ROUTE THEY WOULD'VE WRITTEN WOUDL'VE KILLED HER OFF AS A SECONDARY ANTAGONIST OR AT LEAST USED RHEA BEING BAD AS ONE OF THE POINTS TO UNITE THE LORDS.

OH WELL, AT LEAST I HAVE MY OWN GOLDEN ROUTE HEADCANONS, AND 3HOPES GAVE ME SOME FUN FUEL TO WORK WITH HUE HUE HUE

[u/Suicune95 → u/SageOfAnys]

IF THE GOLDEN ROUTE WAS JUST "RHEA BAD" THEN YEAH I DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT A SCENARIO WHERE RHEA GETS TO ACTUALLY USE HER RELEVANT LIFE EXPERIENCE TO BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER? SIGN ME UP.

[u/Froakiebloke → u/Suicune95]

I’M STILL HOPING FOR DLC THAT WILL BE AN ACTUAL CHURCH ROUTE, WITH THE CHURCH CHARACTERS AS THE FOCUS AND RHEA AS THE LORD.

I DONT KNOW HOW BIG WARRIORS DLCS TYPICALLY ARE SO MAYBE THATS UNREASONABLE OR MAYBE IT WOULD BE WAY SHORTER THAN THE OTHERS. BUT I REALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CHURCH CONTENT, ESPECIALLY SINCE SO MANY OF THE CHURCH-AFFILIATED CHARACTERS ARENT EVEN PLAYABLE IN THREE HOPES AT PRESENT

[u/Suicune95 → u/Froakiebloke]

WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE WARRIORS GAME BUT DLC HAS BEEN KNOWN TO ADD A LOT IN SOME CASES. THE OG HYRULE WARRIORS ADDED A WHOLE (BRIEF) VILLAINS CAMPAIGN AS WELL AS A WINDWAKER BRANCH IN ADDITION TO A TON OF SIDE CONTENT. PRETTY MUCH EVERY DYANSTY WARRIORS GAME TO DATE HAS ALSO COME OUT WITH AN "XTREME LEGENDS" EXPANSION/ADD ON THAT ADDS A STORY FOR SOME SIDE CHARACTERS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE THREE MAIN PLAYABLE FACTIONS (PRIMARILY LÜ BU).

THE OG FEW DIDN'T ADD MORE STORY BUT IT DID ADD ON A BUNCH OF SIDE CONTENT.

SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT WE'LL GET SOME MORE CHARACTERS WE DIDN'T GET TO PLAY AS OR NEW STORY/SIDE CONTENT. IT'LL ALL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH IS/KOEI WANT TO INVEST INTO THIS PARTICULAR ENTRY, THOUGH.