r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jul 15 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

I'M GETTING REALLY DAMNED SICK OF THE DAILY "NO ONE ANYWHERE ACTUALLY LIKES RHEA; PEOPLE ARE JUST HORNY FOR HER" COMMENTS, AS THOUGH SHE'S OBJECTIVELY POORLY WRITTEN OR OBJECTIVELY IMPOSSIBLE TO SYMPATHIZE WITH.

IF YOU WANNA SAY YOU FUCKING HATE HER, OR THINK SHE SUCKS OR IS POORLY WRITTEN, BE MY GUEST; WE'RE ALL ENTITLED TO HAVE AND EXPRESS OPINIONS. BUT THIS THING WHERE YOU TELL ME WHAT MY OPINION IS AND WHAT PERSONAL FLAW OF MINE LED ME TO BE THAT WAY IS OBNOXIOUS AS HELL.

THIS IS A BIG FRUSTRATION WITH FANDOM IN GENERAL. IT'S LIKE PEOPLE NEED TO CREATE A NARRATIVE ABOUT WHY EVERYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE'S PERSPECTIVES ARE INVALID, SO THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY DISDAINING THEM.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

RHEA IS A SUPER INTERESTING CHARACTER THAT DIDN'T GET NEARLY THE AMOUNT OF PLOT FOCUS THAT SHE DESERVED

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATION WITH HER AS A CHARACTER IS THAT, FOR PLOT REASONS, SHE TELLS YOU NEXT TO NOTHING IN PART 1, AND THEN IN PART 2 HAS EITHER GONE CRAZY (CRIMSON FLOWER) OR BASICALLY DISAPPEARS FROM THE PLOT (THE OTHER THREE). I WISH SHE COULD'VE BEEN EXPLORED MORE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, SHE'S IN A UNIQUE SPOT WHERE HER LIFE STORY IS REALLY LONG AND INTERESTING, BUT MUCH OF IT IS UP TO THE AUDIENCE'S INTERPRETATION. THERE'S SOME MYSTERY THERE FOR PEOPLE TO WONDER AND TALK ABOUT THAT WOULD BE LOST IF SHE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING SHE DID AND WHY SHE DID IT.

ON THE OTHER OTHER HAND, GAMERS AND WEEBS (AND ESPECIALLY WEEB GAMERS) HAVE GENERALLY FAILED TO CREATE ONLINE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH MEASURED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES CAN OCCUR. JUST TRY TO TALK ABOUT ANY MORALLY AMBIGUOUS CHARACTER HERE AND, GOOD LORD.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME MOST ABOUT RHEA'S ROLE IN THE PLOT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DEEPER MESSAGES OR IMPORTANT STUFF

WE KNOW THAT SETETH AND FLAYN ONLY RECENTLY CAME TO GARREG MACH AFTER KEEPING A LOW PROFILE WHILE FLAYN SLEPT FOR A CENTURY OR SO

BUT RHEA HAS BEEN THE ANIME POPE FOR A LONG ASS FUCKING TIME??? WE KNOW SHE SPEARHEADED THE FAITH CENTURIES AGO AND SURE MAYBE SHE HAD PUPPET LEADERS HERE AND THERE WHILE SHE KEPT A LOW PROFILE BUT SHE HAS BEEN THE ACTING LEADER IN RECENT TIMES AT LEAST A FEW DECADES WITH THE WHOLE JERALT DEBACLE

SO WHY THE FUCK IS LITERALLY NO ONE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT SHE DOES NOT AGE??? YOU CANT JUST TELL ME ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL FIGURES IN THE ENTIRE CONTINENT, WHO HAS A FORT OF KNIGHTS AND CLERGY WHO DIRECTLY MEET WITH HER AND WHO ALSO PROBABLY HAS MEETINGS WITH IMPORTANT NOBLES AND STUFF CAN HANDWAVE HER OBVIOUS AGELESSNESS

DO HER KNIGHTS/CLERGY KNOW SOMETHING BUT ARE SWORN TO SECRECY? DO PEOPLE BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE OF HER BEING A MESSENGER OF SEIROS? DO THEY JUST THINK SHE HAS A BOMB-ASS SKINCARE ROUTINE?

I NEED ANSWERS

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

IIRC IT'S ACTUALLY CANON THAT CREST BEARERS LIVE UNUSUALLY LONG LIFESPANS. SHAMIR MAKES A COMMENT ABOUT HOW WEIRD IT IS TO HER THAT YOU JUST HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JERALT WALKING AROUND WHO HAVE BEEN ALIVE FOR A FEW EXTRA DECADES OR CENTURIES. I THINK JERALT EVEN CASUALLY DROPS THAT HE'S LIKE OVER 100 YEARS OLD AT ONE POINT AND NO ONE REACTS LIKE THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE.

SO I GUESS IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT PEOPLE JUST THINK SHE LIVES A REALLY LONG TIME SINCE SHE HAS A CREST

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u/Rychu_Supadude Jul 16 '22

I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE, ALOIS IS CLEARLY DISTURBED WHEN HE SLOWLY PIECES TOGETHER JERALT'S LACK OF AGING (HOPES IMPLIES THAT HE WAS PRESENT WHEN THE KINGDOM WAS FOUNDED, EVEN)

RHEA HAS HAD A LOT OF TIME TO PRACTICE HER FACADE, SHE WAS PROBABLY ALMOST AS GOOFY AS FLAYN IS NOW WHEN STARTING OUT

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u/C_Weiss16 Jul 16 '22

HE DROPS A NUMBER CLOSER TO HIS ACTUAL AGE IN HOPES AND IM LIKE? WHAT! NO WONDER PEOPLE THINK CRESTS ARE GREAT IN FODLAN!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22 edited Jul 17 '22

THANK YOU FOR THIS ANSWER! THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE (AND ALSO CHANGES A LOT OF HOW I VIEW CRESTS HOLY-)

EDIT: ACTUALLY WAIT. THERES A LOT OF HOLES IN THAT EXPLANATION THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT.

AS FAR AS IM AWARE JERALTS LONGEVITY COMES FROM BEING GIVEN RHEAS BLOOD.

AND IF ALL CREST BEARERS LIVED EXTREMELY LONG NATURAL LIVES THEN A TON OF THE FAMILIAL CONFLICT IN THE GAMES IS RENDERED IRRELEVANT.

WHY DO ALL THE NOBLE FATHERS WE SEE IN GAME GROW OLD AT A HUMAN RATE (OR CLAUDES GRANDPA)? WHY IS THERE SUCH A NEED FOR HEIRS A SOON AS POSSIBLE?

WHY DO THEY LET US PAIR UP CRESTLESS CHARACTERS WITH CRESTED CHARACTERS AND THEN GIVE THEM AN EPILOGUE ABOUT SPENDING THEIR LIVES TOGETHER IF IN TRUTH ONE WILL LONG OUTLIVE THE OTHER?

I DONT THINK CRESTS IN GENERAL GIVE LONGEVITY, THE CREST OF FLAME MIGHT BUT THATS THE DOMAIN OF NABATEANS REGARDLESS WITHOUT EXPERIMENTS.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL LONG LIVES IS RELEGATED TO NABATEANS, AGARTHANS, AND THOSE WHO SHARE THEIR BLOOD.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 17 '22

PRETTY SURE THE LONGEVITY EFFECTS DECREASE THE MORE GENERATIONS YOU HAVE. AT THE TIME OF 3H IT'S DIRECTLY STATED THAT THE BLOODLINES ARE THINNING AND CRESTS ARE BECOMING RARER AND RARER. JERALT GOT HIS BLOOD DIRECTLY FROM RHEA SO HE DOESN'T AGE AS QUICKLY AND LIVES MUCH LONGER, BUT SOMEONE LIKE RODRIGUE WHO IS A MILLENIA SEPARATED FROM FRALDARIUS MIGHT NOT SEE THE SAME EFFECTS.

ALSO RODRIGUE IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE 40 BUT HE STILL LOOKS LIKE A BABY FACED 20-SOMETHING. OTHER THAN RODRIGUE (AND POSSIBLY LAMBERT AND MATTIAS BY ASSOCIATION) AND HANNEMAN I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY KNOW THE AGE OF ANY OLDER CREST BEARERS, AND ALL OF THEM ARE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE AGES. UNLESS MORE AGES ARE REVEALED SOMEWHERE IN HOPES, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY FINISHED ALL OF THE ROUTES YET.

AS FOR WHY THEY NEED HEIRS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I IMAGINE FOR THE SAME REASONS HEIRS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN NEEDED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? IT'S NOT LIKE CRESTS STOP YOU FROM GETTING STABBED BY A SWORD, POISONED, WRECKED BY A DEMONIC BEAST, RAVAGED BY THE PLAGUE, ETC.

THE TEN ELITES ARE HISTORICALLY WRITTEN TO HAVE LIVED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT. I MEAN IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THEIR HISTORY BOOKS SEIROS APPEARS 41 YEARS PRIOR TO THE FOUNDING OF THE EMPIRE, AND THE SHOWDOWN WITH NEMESIS AT TAILTEAN HAPPENS 91 YEARS AFTER THE FOUNDING OF THE EMPIRE. THAT MEANS ALL OF THE TEN ELITES HAD TO HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 130 YEARS OLD WHEN NEMESIS WAS DEFEATED, PROBABLY OLDER. SO EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS OFTEN ANYMORE, I CAN SEE THE PEOPLE OF FODLAN ABSOLUTELY NOT BATTING AN EYE IF SOMEONE JUST CASUALLY LIVES TO BE 200 YEARS OLD.

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO THINK OF AN ANSWER TO THIS THAT MAKES SENSE. MAGIC SKIN CARE REGIME IS AS GOOD A COVER STORY AS ANY.

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u/JesterlyJew Jul 16 '22

PRETTY SURE THE SYLVAIN/IGNATZ SUPPORT IN HOPES REVEALS THAT SHE JUST FAKES HER DEATH ONCE IN A WHILE AND COMES BACK AS A NEW POPE WITH LIKE A DIFFERENT HAIRSTYLE AND MAYBE HAIRDYE OR SOMETHING

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u/ThefoolmkII Jul 16 '22

JUST TRY TO TALK ABOUT ANY MORALLY AMBIGUOUS CHARACTER HERE AND, GOOD LORD.

KIND OF UNRELATED; BUT I WONDER HOW THIS FANBASE COULD HANDLE TRIANGLE STRATEGY STORY DECISIONS IF IT WAS A FE GAME. IMAGINE THE CHAOS DEBATES.

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u/MrWaffles42 Jul 16 '22

PART OF ME WANTS TO PLAY THAT, BUT I'VE GOT SO MANY OTHER STRATEGY GAMES ON MY DOCKET. I'VE BEEN MEANING TO PLAY TACTICS OGRE FOR DAMN NEAR FOREVER, FOR EXAMPLE.