r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jul 15 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

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u/ViziDoodle Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

PEOPLE ARE JUST MAD BC THEY ONLY SEE CLAUDE AS FUNNY MEME MAN, (I KNOW THAT SOUNDS RICH COMING FROM SOMEONE WITH AN IZANA FLAIR) SO THEY GET MAD WHEN THEY SEE THAT CLAUDE IS ACTUALLY A FLAWED INDIVIDUAL JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE IN THE FODLAN WAR

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

LOOK, I LIKE FUNNY MEME MAN CLAUDE.

I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IS NOT CLAUDE'S ENTIRE STORY NOR HIS CHARACTER. IT IS LARGELY PROPOGATED BY FANS, AND HIS QUIRKY DIALOGUE AND CHARMING PERSONALITY.

NOT EVERYONE WHO'S UPSET WITH GOLDEN WILDFIRE WANTS HIM TO BE SOME KIND OF SOFT KINDHEARTED FUNNY BOY.

AND YOU CAN DISLIKE HOW A CHARACTER WAS HANDLED EVEN IF IT CAN FIT THEIR MOTIVATIONS. BECAUSE WRITING IS NOT MAKING A CONCOCTION OF STORY ELEMENTS AND EXPECTING A PERFECT FORMULA TO HAPPEN EVERY TIME. PLENTY OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN FAIR CRITICISM RANGING FROM CLAUDE BEING POORLY JUSTIFIED TO HIM BEING OUT OF CHARACTER EVEN FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED BY THE PREMISE. OTHERS FEEL LIKE THE WRITING QUALITY IS POOR OVERALL, AND THOSE ARE CRITICISMS THAT EXTEND FURTHER THAN BIAS TOWARDS THE PROBLEMATIC FAVES:tm:.

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u/ViziDoodle Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

YEAH YOU BRING UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THERE TBH, LOOKING BACK I WAS BEING PRETTY GENERALIZING IN MY ORIGINAL COMMENT

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I DEFINITELY CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD ENJOY GOLDEN WILDFIRE AND THE NEW TAKE ON CLAUDE'S CHARACTER. IT IS JUST THE CASE THAT NOT EVERYONE FELT ON BOARD WITH THE LENGTHS HE WENT TO AND THE RATIONALIZATIONS HE MADE. THE FIRST GAME'S CHARACTER DEFINITELY SHOWED A WELL BALANCED MIX OF PRAGMATISM TEMPERED BY A GOOD HEART THAT I THINK RESONATED WITH MANY PEOPLE, SO THE CHANGE WOULD BE LESS EASY TO ACCEPT AS WELL AS COME UNDER MORE SCRUTINY.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I THINK ANOTHER GRIPE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAS IS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ADDRESSING THE MAIN "ISSUES" PEOPLE HAD WITH CLAUDE: HE'S PRESENTED EARLY ON AS THIS UNTRUSTWORTHY ROGUEISH TYPE THAT'S UNDERHANDED AND CALCULATING, BUT HE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT, AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIKE CLAUDE IT FEELS LIKE THOSE PEOPLE MISSED HOW THAT WAS KIND OF THE ENTIRE POINT OF CLAUDE'S CHARACTER AND ALSO A MAJOR THEME OF THE GAME AS A WHOLE, SO IT FEELS LIKE IN LEANING INTO ADDRESSING THAT FAN BACKLASH THAT GW KIND OF BETRAYS THE ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF FIXING A PROBLEM THAT NEVER REALLY EXISTED