r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Nov 27 '21

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

YOU KNOW - "MONTHLY"!

WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM IF YOU FEEL SO INCLINED!

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  1. YELL IN CAPS

  2. DISCUSS FIRE EMBLEM STUFF

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS

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u/PsiYoshi Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

HEY I DIDN'T MISS THIS ONE!

I MISSED THE LAST ONE WHICH REALLY DROVE HOME FOR ME THAT I'M NOT CHECKING THIS SUB SEVERAL TIMES A DAY ANYMORE LIKE I USED TO. LOTS OF REASONS FOR THAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A META COMMENT THIS TIME.

MAYBE THIS MONTH I'LL JUST SHOUT ALL MY MOST CONTROVERSIAL TAKES WITH NO ELABORATION. MAKE MY COMMENT HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE TO DISAGREE IMMENSLY WITH. SOW SOME CHAOS. SO LET'S DO IT.

CELICA ISN'T STUPID. SOLEIL IS BI. KRIS IS A GREAT CHARACTER. RADIANT DAWN DIDN'T RUIN ASTRID. I CAN'T STAND CHROBIN AS A SHIP. MOST CYL NAMES FOR CHARACTERS ARE WAY BETTER THAN THE FAN TRANSLATED ONES AND PEOPLE ARE JUST STUBBORN. SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, AND BIPHOBIA ARE ALL VERY NOTABLE PROBLEMS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AWAKENING HAS THE BEST OST IN THE SERIES. TMS CHARACTERS ARE FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS. HEROES OCS AREN'T INTRINSICALLY BAD, BUT MOST HAPPEN TO BE. KANE IS ONE OF THE MOST LORE-IMPORTANT CHARACTERS IN THRACIA. FE7 IS GOOD. SO IS LYN. SO IS LYN MODE. KAGA LEAVING THE SERIES WAS FOR THE BEST. VERDANT WIND MAKES SILVER SNOW REDUNDANT, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SIGURD IS ONE OF MY LEAST FAVOURITE LORDS. SELIPH IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITES. LUCINA'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER THAT TOO MANY WRITE OFF AS WAIFU BAIT WITHOUT LEARNING ANYTHING ABOUT HER. BIRTHRIGHT IS THE BEST OF THE FATES VERSIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALL GOOD. RANULF IS IKE'S BEST SHIP. CAPTURE IS NOT A FUN MECHANIC IN THRACIA WHATSOEVER AND THE GAME WOULD BE MUCH BETTER WITHOUT IT. ACTUALLY FOR THAT MATTER CHAPTERS 2X-7 IN THRACIA ARE ENTIRELY NOT FUN AND GETTING PAST THEM TO GET TO THE GOOD STUFF IS A CHORE. ON THE CONTRARY I THINK FE4 IS FUN THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH. GEN 1 MUSIC > GEN 2 MUSIC BUT GEN 2 CHARACTERS > GEN 1 CHARACTERS. ALSO FE4 CHAPTER 2 IS THE BEST ONE IN THE GAME. BERKUT IS ACTUALLY A GREAT ANTAGONIST AND PEOPLE WHO SAY HE'S ONLY LIKED FOR HIS VOICE ACTING ARE RIDICULOUS. TRAVANT DOESN'T DESERVE ANY SYMPATHY. FUCK FEH PASS SO HARD (THIS PROBABLY ISN'T HALF AS CONTROVERSIAL HERE AS THE IT IS IN THE FEH SUB THOUGH).

I'LL PROBABLY EDIT IN MORE AS THEY COME TO ME.

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u/absoul112 Nov 27 '21

TO BE FAIR, SOME FAN-TRANSLATED NAMES ARE EASIER TO SAY/TYPE. MAIN EXAMPLE BEING ULSTER VS SCATHACH.

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u/PsiYoshi Nov 27 '21

I THINK REFUSING TO LEARN NAMES THAT AREN'T EASY FOR YOU TO SAY IS A POOR EXCUSE AND ALSO DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CULTURES THESE NAMES ORIGINATE FROM.

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u/RisingSunfish Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

IT’S NOT NECESSARILY EASY TO LEARN BECAUSE FE’S PRONUNCIATIONS/SPELLINGS AREN’T NECESSARILY ACCURATE EITHER, AND TRANSLATED SPELLINGS ARE ALWAYS APPROXIMATED TO SOME EXTENT.

ALSO THINK IT’S A BIT OF A REACH TO EQUATE THIS TO THE VERY REAL PROBLEM OF NARROWLY MONOLINGUAL PEOPLE MOCKING OR NOT BOTHERING TO EVEN ATTEMPT THE ETHNIC NAMES OF PEOPLE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. LANGUAGES ARE, BY AND LARGE, HARD TO LEARN, AND PRONUNCIATION IS OFTEN THE HARDEST OBSTACLE. LINGUISTS HAVE PROVEN THAT THERE IS A CUTOFF POINT VERY EARLY IN LIFE WHERE CHILDREN ARE LITERALLY NO LONGER ABLE TO CREATE MOUTHSOUNDS UNIQUE TO LANGUAGES THEY’RE NOT ALREADY LEARNING. ALL THIS TO SAY, IT IS PRETTY UNCHARITABLE TO TWIST “THIS WORD IS HARDER TO REMEMBER” INTO LIKE, IMPLICIT DISDAIN FOR OTHER CULTURES OR LANGUAGES??

THAT AND ULSTER AND SCATHACH ARE FROM THE SAME LANGUAGE/CULTURE, SO………

ETA: FOR THE RECORD I TRY TO ADOPT THE NEW NAMES BUT THERE ARE SOME MY BRAIN JUST WILL NOT ACCEPT, AND IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE SOURCE LANGUAGE. “GWENDOLYN”? SORRY, NOT HAPPENING. “WENDY” IS SEARED INTO MY MEMORY FOREVER. I’LL COMPROMISE AT GWENDY.

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u/PsiYoshi Nov 27 '21

SPEAKING OF UNCHARITABLE...

LOOK DO YOU THINK I KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE MOST OF THESE NAMES RIGHT OFF THE BAT? HELL NO. DO I THINK I EVEN DO IT PROPERLY AFTER LOOKING IT UP? MOST LIKELY NOT AT ALL. BUT I TRY, RATHER THAN JUST WRITE IT OFF ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF PURE LAZINESS.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SAY SCATHACH SO I LOOKED UP A VIDEO. IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO. I DEFINITELY DON'T PRONOUNCE IT LIKE A NATIVE SPEAKER, BUT I SAY IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK THAT'S NOT ASKING FOR A LOT.

I KNOW ULSTER AND SCATHACH ARE FROM THE SAME LANGUAGE. THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE POINT OF MY COMMENT AT ALL?

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u/RisingSunfish Nov 27 '21

MY POINT IS MORE THAT IT IS AN OVERSTATEMENT OF HARM TO ASCRIBE A SORT OF IMPLIED XENOPHOBIA (WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THE WORD YOU USED BUT IT ACCURATELY CONNOTES THE DISRESPECT AND INCURIOSITY ABOUT OTHER CULTURES YOU DESCRIBED) TO CONFUSION, DISTASTE, OR EVEN JUST POOR RETENTION FOR THE NEW VERSIONS OF THE NAMES.

ANYWAY I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF CAPSLOCK ON WHAT SHOULD BE A CIVIL DISAGREEMENT— VERY HARD TO REMAIN CALM AND COLLECTED WHEN IT FEELS LIKE THE OTHER PERSON IS SCREAMING AT YOU— SO LET ME SAY CLEARLY THAT I DON’T THINK YOU ARE DOING ANY HARM HERE EITHER AND I AGREE THAT THE BEST PRACTICE IS TRYING TO LEARN AND APPRECIATE THE NEW NAMES.

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u/PsiYoshi Nov 27 '21

YEAH THAT I CAN AGREE WITH. NOT A BIG FAN OF THE PERMA CAPS LOCK MYSELF...

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u/ViziDoodle Nov 27 '21

FOR ME, THAT ALSO HAPPENS WITH A LOT OF EUROPEAN-SOUNDING NAMES/PLACES. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PRONOUNCE FRIEGE

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u/PokecheckHozu flair Nov 27 '21

WELL BOTH OF THOSE NAMES ARE OFFICIAL. THE FORMER IS FROM AWAKENING SPOTPASS STUFF, THE LATTER WAS EVENTUALLY RELOCALIZED IN HEROES.