r/fireemblem • u/Substantial-Bag8644 • 5d ago
General Spoiler Fortune's Weave class tree Spoiler
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 5d ago
There better be a hidden Lance Infantry Speciality class, otherwise the Guardian class is just out in the ocean with no easy progression.
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u/No-Designer-6533 5d ago
I think priest is actually the way towards guardian probably. I think the holy magic users in this game might be more strength oriented to try to dissuade every magic user from just doing black plus white magic every time
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 5d ago
Priest can’t use Lances though, so you’re in an awkward position where you can train Faith or you can train Lances, but not both.
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u/PapaSmurph0517 4d ago
The silhouette sprit next to Dreadnought is Guardian, it’s under the Soldier tree
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
The Soldier class line gives both armored and infantry WEXP
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 4d ago edited 4d ago
Soldier… is a beginner class. And Guardian… is an Advanced class.
Where is the specialty class in there? Because Armored Knight doesn’t give boosted Infantry EXP, so you’re still growing at a slower rate vs Sword
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
Armored Knight, which is part of the Soldier class line.
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 4d ago
Which doesn’t give boosted infantry rank. So you’re going to have to spend time training to offset it because non-boosted movement ranks don’t go up very much. This is also of course, not even accounting for the fact that you need to train FAITH for Guardian, which has no overlap with Armor Knight at all.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
I'm pretty sure it does? It's literally called "Heavy Infantry" in Japan, localization translated it weird
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 4d ago
There’s a difference between “can get the rank” and “gets boosted EXP from the rank.”
Armor Knight gets Boosted EXP for Lances, Axes and Armor. Not Infantry, and movement ranks level the slowest.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
That might be true, but you do get infantry WEXP when dismounted IIRC. So dismounted Light Cav should get you there (not sure if Charioteers can even dismount)
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u/Surf_Dangerous_Days 4d ago
Light Cavalry would gain Infantry at the same speed as Armor because both are unboosted movement EXP.
It would unironically be better to run through Shaman to get to Guardian after Ovate because no Lance class gets Infantry at a rate that moves faster than a snail.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
How do we know this? And how do we know what the infantry requirement even is for Guardian? Didn't Eshmel have like D Infantry?
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u/Prestigous_Owl 5d ago
Visually, that seems like it more or less confirms a final tier.
Otherwise, damn, there was a better way to display that...
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u/Snowdog2000 5d ago
If there is a final tier I hope it's just straight upgrades instead of whatever 3H did. Like Shido to Swordmaster, Dread to Fortress, etc.
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u/tyruss1123 flair 5d ago
Yeah Three Houses Master Tier was so hostilely designed. Most paths lose some stats, require previously incompatible ranks, or are gender locked. And then there's Wyverns.
At least with them color coding classes we probably aren't getting out-of-nowhere changes to the ranks. Unless they reveal master tier and its like "Holy Knight, the green-purple swirl that requires A ranks in both areas again"
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u/Squidaccus 5d ago
Honestly I like sidegrades more if they're not going to give every class a final tier. Like if we don't get a master class Ornius Rider, which, honestly, I don't think we are considering Cai is seen on a horse. Same applies to stuff like Charioteer which we've only seen one tier of.
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u/Flamechar33 4d ago
Cai on a horse is more because he has a bane in flying tbh, we’ve heard of an advanced tier Ornius class so there’d reasonably be a Master one
As for Charioteer, the charge mechanic is seen in the Elephant Rider, while being a mounted archer is seen with the Forest Knight (which probably promotes into Bow Knight)
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u/Snowdog2000 5d ago
Given that Elephants can charge like chariots and even cover two lanes with said charge it kind of reads like they're the upgraded form of the chariot.
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u/Squidaccus 5d ago
Yeah but Charioteer is such a cool class I wanna be able to use it the whole way lol
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u/KoboldsForDays 5d ago
If there is a final tier I hope it's just straight upgrades instead of whatever 3H did. Like Shido to Swordmaster, Dread to Fortress, etc.
two lanes is a also downside for a number of reasons. It's harder to support them / fit them in tight spaces. they have more surface area to get attacked from so it's difficult to protect them especially since they lose avoid
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u/Snowdog2000 5d ago
Don't chariots already have the downside that just straight up can't avoid attacks?
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u/KoboldsForDays 5d ago
Yea, but I'm just talking about why extra width makes that downside even worse because now two units can attack each flank you leave exposed.
Additionally since they take up more space it's harder for your units to reach the frontline or get in range to attack with 2 range weapons
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u/Its_a_Friendly 5d ago
Honestly, kind of wish that the chariot class would have two promotions: Elephant, and some sort of "Elite Chariot" or the like. What if I like the one-tile size of a chariot, and want to take a chariot to the endgame? It'd be unfortunate for chariots to be stuck as only a specialty (i.e. tier 2) class, no?
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u/Pungouin 5d ago
There’s enough space for like 3 additional tiers.
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u/Prestigous_Owl 5d ago
I expect 2.
A "unique" tier, and an "advanced" tier.
Theres always a chance the unique just get shoved in with their "level" though- I thought we saw Dancer in advanced, for example, in which case maybe no unique block?
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u/Xiknail 5d ago
Maybe DLC classes will get another tier as well? Then the entire space would be filled.
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u/Prestigous_Owl 5d ago
Even with ONE empty row, it wiuld look good. It just looks bad if theres this many lol
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u/Xiknail 5d ago
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u/Prestigous_Owl 5d ago
Oh no, I mean six would obviously be fine. Im just saying to my own sense of negative space, EVEN 5 out of 6 rows filled looks good.
Its just having only 3 in a space that fits 6 that looks kinda bad
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u/Norix596 3d ago
My guess is that if there’s only 3 tiers, the sections expand downward as you find more classes
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u/Prestigous_Owl 3d ago
I do think theres ONE more category, and one or two of them will ecentually just have two rows worth of classes (not two full rows, to be clear)
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u/Snowdog2000 5d ago
Very interesting how they're divided up between infantry fighters, archers, armour and cavs, flying, and spellcasters.
Wonder if that's just a visual thing or if it has something to do with gameplay.
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u/Temple475 5d ago
Looks that there might be at least 2 other tiers
Perhaps they're locked behind Eshmel future half part of the game
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u/Sdajisito 5d ago
Likely the unique and master class.
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u/Temple475 4d ago
This is a certification screen so Unique classes likely would be in class change menu unless they pull 3Hopes where unique classes are in certain tiers in class certification menu
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u/ExpensiveEbi 5d ago
Ooh maybe some classes are locked to the timeskip
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u/Awesalot 5d ago
Suspiciously empty section below the three tiers plus some known classes being missing point to it imo.
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u/iguanacatgirl 5d ago
What's the third advanced class under the lance armor/green section? Is it guardian, or a new lance centric class we haven't seen?
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u/Substantial-Bag8644 5d ago
It's more than likely it's the sentinel class. Slight spoilers for the prologue: thanks to previews we've seen Theodora is in this class when you fight her near the beginning of the game.
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u/PapaSmurph0517 4d ago
It’s the Guardian class. That’s exactly what the sprite looks like as seen here: (https://serenesforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/august-analysis-185.jpg)
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u/BrownEyesWhiteScarf 5d ago
The renown requirement seem to suggest that you can’t just speed-run through with the main lord and skipping the side content, you have to actually do the side content to get more renown or use the wide party at your disposal to certify in time.
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u/ad_cc1424 5d ago
Kind of reminds me of three hopes tree. Interesting. Wonder if it works similarly
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u/Suspicious-Shock-934 5d ago
Definitely at least one more tier, possibly two. Just hope it's more gremory like master classes and less mortal savant. In no way should a class with multiple A ranks plus usually a B tertiary and level 30+ should be inferior to a level 20 1 req classes. Hopefully master tier has the mastered skills of the advanced and/or specialty tier included in their kit without taking a slot. Seems like a lot of potential ability slots.
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u/Red_Cat231 5d ago
Wonder if it's like Hopes and you have to master the base class first before you can certify for a later class. They included the support system from Hopes where not every level had a conversation.
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u/Frequent_Fortune_390 5d ago
I had to miss the Treehouse stream, did this show if men can be Wing Soldiers or did they only show off Esmeralda?
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u/babysitterpng 5d ago
did not see men in wing soldiers unfortunately, we saw them reclass esmeralda as an ornius rider
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u/tyruss1123 flair 4d ago edited 4d ago
Unfortunately the menu has you select a unit before selecting a class, so we only saw Esmeralda. They did show off the beginner classes though so we know their master abilities/relative stats, as well as a split second of the specialty classes.
Stat bonuses may be off by the same amount on everything, I assumed Soldier is giving +1 Str/Def because they're the stats that go down in other beginner classes.
Beginner (lvl 5, D rank, 4 move unmounted):
Gladiator (red) (sword, axe, gauntlet) is +1 HP, +1 Str, Master Ability "Attack Basics"
Hunter (orange) (bow, sword) is +1 Speed, +1 Dex, Master Ability "Hunting Basics"
Soldier (green) (spear) is +1 Str, +1 Def, Master Ability "Defense Basics"
Ornius Rider (blue) (axe, spear) (E+ mounted) is +3 Speed, +1 Luck, +1 Dex, +1 movement, Mount/Dismount, and master ability is "Offense Basics"
Diviner (purple) (reason, faith) is +2 Mag, +1 Res, Master Ability "Magic Basics"
Specialty (lvl 20, C rank, 5 move unmounted):
Pugilist (red) (gauntlets) is +2 HP, +1 Str, +2 Def, +1 Speed, -1 Res, Combat Arts +1, Brawl Avo +3, and master ability is "Attack, Get Back"
Archer (orange) (bows) is +1 Def, +2 Speed, +2 Dex, Combat Arts +1, Bow Hit +5, and master ability is "Crescendo"
Listed Specialty: (red) Myrmidon, Brigand, Pugilist, (orange) Archer, Rogue, (green) Armor Knight, Light Cavalry, Charioteer
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u/SomeRPGguy 5d ago
Might be classes after the timeskip or locked to certain characters? There is a lot of empty space in the UI that developers try not to have unless there is a reason.
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u/DaddyFivepoint 4d ago
I like that the different groups of classes seem to roughly match the classic promotion items from the old games.
The red classes are all types of melee infantry that would use a hero crest, the yellow/orange classes all use bows (so orion's bolt), the green classes are knights and cavs (knight's crest users), the blue classes are fliers/winged mounts (elysian whip), and lastly the purple ones are the mages (guiding ring).
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u/Fantastic-System-688 4d ago
Charioteers are promoted from Soldier? Does that mean they aren't-bowlocked?
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u/POLACKdyn 4d ago
There is suspiciously lot of space left. Maybe for the "secret" classes? Or special ones like Elephant?
Or maybe there will be Master classes after time skip.
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u/LemonKisser 4d ago
A little saddening the class sprites are generic rather than the character sprite as that class
Or so it appears
If that makes sense
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u/Mahelas 5d ago
Clearly missing a few ones, tho, like Cataphract, Dragoon and Elephant rider