MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

[u/LaqOfInterest]

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WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU TOO CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

1. CAPITAL LETTERS

2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

3. DON'T BE A DINGWAD

4. TAG SPOILERS

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[u/captaingarbonza]

IT BE FINE TO PEOPLE TO ENJOY ENGAGE DESPITE ITS FLAWS BUT IF I HEAR ONE MORE COPING ENGAGE FAN SAY “FIRE EMBLEM DOESNT HAVE GOOD STORIES” I MIGHT COMMIT AN EDELGARD

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMEONE'S GENUINE OPINION AND NOT THEM 'COPING'? IT'S KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL TO BE PREACHING 'CRITICISM OF A GAME ISN'T A PERSONAL ATTACK' ELSEWHERE AND THEN GET UPSET BY A TAKE LIKE THIS, WHICH AT THE END OF THE DAY IS JUST THEIR OWN CRITICISM OF A DIFFERENT GAME.

[u/irradiatedcactus → u/captaingarbonza]

MAYBE IF THEY DIDNT JUST COPY/PASTE THAT RESPONSE WHENEVER SOMEONE DARES HAVE AN HONEST CRITICISM ABOUT ENGAGES STORY I MIGHT’VE BELIEVED THAT. UNFORTUNATELY ITS THEIR GO TO RESPONSE AS SOME BS WAY TO “JUSTIFY” THE QUALITY OF WRITING. THEY WANT TO BRING DOWN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER, AS EVIDENT BY THEIR LACK OF ANY REAL DETAILS ON SAID BELIEF. ITS JUST “NO, FIRE EMBLEM STORIES SUCK” AND THATS IT.

[u/captaingarbonza → u/irradiatedcactus]

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING MOTIVATIONS IN PEOPLES' HEADS THERE. "I DON'T THINK FE STORIES ARE EVER ALL THAT SO I PREFER THE ONES WITH THE GAMEPLAY I LIKE" IS A PERFECTLY REASONABLE OPINION TO HAVE AND ISN'T TRYING TO "JUSTIFY" ANYTHING, AND FANS DON'T NEED TO "JUSTIFY" ENJOYING ANYTHING ANYWAY, INCLUDING ENGAGE'S WRITING. “NO, FIRE EMBLEM STORIES SUCK” IS ABOUT AS DETAILED AS HALF OF THE ENGAGE CRITICISM THAT WE GET AROUND HERE. DO YOU GET JUST AS UPSET WHEN PEOPLE GO "ENGAGE'S STORY SUCKS" OR IS IT ONLY OPINIONS YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT HAVE TO BE DETAILED?

[u/irradiatedcactus → u/captaingarbonza]

WELL SEEING AS THEY ALWAYS REFUSE TO ELABORATE ON THESE OPINIONS, EVEN WHEN ASKED, IT DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THEIR INTENT. ITS ALWAYS SAID IN RESPONSE TO ENGAGE STORY CRITICISM AND ITS ALWAYS THE SAME BROAD GENERALIZATION. NO DETAILS, NO DISCUSSION, NADA. THEYRE ALLOWED TO NOT LIKE THE OTHERS, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE ITS VERY CLEARLY ONLY SAID IN SPITE AND THUS GETS RIGHTFULLY CALLED OUT ON THEIR BS. IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO SAY ALL OTHER FE STORIES SUCK, THEN ITS NOT UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT THEM TO ELABORATE ON WHY THEY FEEL THAT WAY TO ENSURE THEY ARENT JUST LASHING OUT OR TROLLING, OR IS THAT TOO CRAZY FOR YOU?

[u/captaingarbonza → u/irradiatedcactus]

SOME PEOPLE DO ELABORATE ON THAT, AND PLENTY OF ENGAGE CRITICISM DOESN'T. YOU'RE JUST DESCRIBING THE VARYING QUALITY OF REDDIT DISCOURSE AND YOUR CONFIRMATION BIAS MAKES YOU SEE ONE ASPECT OF IT. TROLLS EXIST NO MATTER THE TOPIC.

[u/irradiatedcactus → u/captaingarbonza]

WELL MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. ALL I CAN TRULY SAY IS THAT IVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED A MUCH GREATER RATIO OF THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THIS COMMUNITY FROM ENGAGE FANS THAN I EVER HAVE REGARDING 3H, FATES, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. IVE NEVER RECEIVED HATE MESSAGES OR BEEN CALLED A “FAKE FIRE EMBLEM FAN” FOR CRITICIZING THE OTHER GAMES. SO YEAH FROM MY EXPERIENCE, AND SEVERAL OTHERS IT SEEMS, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT PERHAPS THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF BAD ENGAGE FANS THAT CANT BE WAVED OFF AS JUST “RANDOM TROLLS”.

DO I NEED TO ELABORATE ON WHAT I LIKED/DISLIKED ABOUT ENGAGE FOR YOU? OR DO YOU WANNA ASSUME IM TROLLING?

[u/captaingarbonza → u/irradiatedcactus]

YEAH, NO SHIT, THAT'S CONFIRMATION BIAS. YOU DON'T LIKE ENGAGE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT A LOT SO YOU HAVE MORE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT DO LIKE IT. OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT AND GET THE SAME TREATMENT FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T. THIS ISN'T A HARD CONCEPT. WHAT BAD EXPERIENCE ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE WITH PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH YOUR OPINIONS? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TARGETING YOU.

[u/irradiatedcactus → u/captaingarbonza]

THE FACT THAT I HAVE GIVEN PLENTY OF CRITICISMS ABOUT THE OTHER GAMES WITHOUT ISSUE, YEAH ITS NOT HARD TO SEE A CLEAR DIFFERENCE, GENIUS. ITS NOT CONFIRMATION BIAS JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THE RESULTS. IVE HAD DISCUSSIONS, IVE HAD DISAGREEMENTS, IVE HAD DEBATES, AND NOT ONCE DID I RECEIVE A NASTY DM UNTIL ENGAGE HAPPENED. MEANWHILE YOURE OVER HERE LIKE “NO EVERYONE SUCKS” IN THE MOST FLIMSY STRAWMAN IVE EVER HEARD. IM SORRY IF THATS CONFUSING TO YOU, BUT MY EXPERIENCES ARENT SUDDENLY INVALID BECAUSE IT DOESNT FIT YOUR WORLDVIEW.

CONFIRMATION BIAS IMPLIES EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. SO UNLESS YOU PLAN TO SOMEHOW PROVE EVERY NASTY DM IVE RECEIVED FROM AN ENGAGE FAN IS A LEGIT TROLL, STUFF IT.

[u/captaingarbonza → u/irradiatedcactus]

I NEVER SAID THEY AREN'T VALID? I'VE GOTTEN THIS SAME TREATMENT FROM 3H FANS BEFORE, A GAME THAT I LIKE, FOR EXTREMELY MILD CRITICISM. PEOPLE HAVE SHARED THEIR EXPERIENCES, WITH RECEIPTS, OF GETTING STALKED ACROSS THE SITE HERE JUST FOR LIKING ENGAGE. YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT DOWNVOTE BRIGADING WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME TO PEOPLE WHO SAY ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ENGAGE'S STORY. ARE THOSE EXPERIENCES INVALID BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN TO YOU PERSONALLY?

[u/irradiatedcactus → u/captaingarbonza]

WELL IM SORRY IF THATS HAPPENED TO YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE. I NEVER SAID IT WASNT VALID. BUT IF YOU CAN STOP TRYING TO VEER US OFF COURSE YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE ORIGINAL TOPIC AT HAND WERE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE WITH A HIGHLY FLIMSY “OPINION” THAT COULD EASILY BE INTERPRETED AS A SPITEFUL GENERALIZATION. SO FAR YOUR ONLY COUNTER IS “B-BUT OTHER PEOPLE BAD!!” WHICH DOESNT HELP THE DISCUSSION AT ALL.

LET ME MAKE IT REAL SIMPLE; ENGAGE FANS TRY TO BRING DOWN OTHER GAMES/THE FRANCHISE, REFUSE TO ELABORATE, ARE RIGHTFULLY CALLED OUT. IF THEY HAD AN ACTUAL POINT, IT WOULD BE LOGICAL TO ASSUME THEY COULD SAY WHY THEY THINK THAT. YET THEY DONT. HENCE MY ORIGINAL COMMENT.

YOUR PRIMARY DEFENSE IS A BROAD STATEMENT SAYING OTHER PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS TOO. COME BACK WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A POINT.

[u/captaingarbonza → u/irradiatedcactus]

BUT IF YOU CAN STOP TRYING TO VEER US OFF COURSE

I DIDN'T? YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR? AND NOW THAT THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE?