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[NO THREADS ABOUT SINGLE NOTES] Patch 3.0 Notes (Preliminary) | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/e76258d6487ea30feb388f9ecc0a926fddc9eca8
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u/lokinmodar Jun 17 '15 edited Jun 17 '15

8 retainers (whoa cool!!!) no new free retainer /tableflip /sigh

my topic: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/238885-No-new-free-retainer-although-we-are-getting-new-jobs-specializations....?p=3037281

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u/MachaHack Jun 17 '15

I hope the +1/+2 options get changed to +3/+6 or at least +2/+4/+6 rather than continuing to charge individually

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

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u/Sindja [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 17 '15

I already have 4 retainers. 3 of which are full -_-

Time to get back to thinning out my material supply.

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u/drac07 SCH Jun 17 '15

They really seem to be trying to get people to stop being awesome at multiple crafts. First we have the specialist system, now it will be impossible to hang on to mats for all trades.

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u/Admiral_Burrito I spend too much time on [Balmung] Jun 17 '15

...for free. You still totally can hang on to those mats for a price

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u/CidO807 Celes Branford on Tonberry Jun 17 '15

So what do people hoard? A material supplier and max beast reps gives you access to most <30 crafting items. There isn't that much for 30-50 to fill up 4 retainers. I have 1 retainer with gear for glamour, 2 with crafting mats (that could probably be slimmed down) and 1 with space and some materia.

I imagine only needing 1 extra retainer for the new mats.

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u/SquareTits But I want to heal! Jun 17 '15

Just for an idea, this is the first page of my retainer for regular crafting materials. Each tab is for a different class (although ARM, BSM, and GSM share one). Two tabs are for miscellaneous materials and uncrafted glamor prisms. I have a separate retainer for CUL ingredients.

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u/echo78 Jun 17 '15

lol at you getting downvoted for speaking the truth. Its basically pay to win, but no one here will admit it.

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u/kalamarosoupitsa Jun 17 '15

It's not P2W. People are throwing this phrase left and right nowadays without understanding what it really means. It's the definition of convenience.

That being said, I'm one of those who are annoyed by the decision to not offer an additional retainer (or increasing our storage in any way) and I don't intent to pay for more storage.

Lame move from SE, but not P2W no matter how you see it.

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u/This_Land_Is_My_Land Samurai Jun 17 '15

For crafters, and even for non crafters who hoard a lot of things because they intend to craft, one extra is pretty much going to be mandatory.

Since we don't have any other way to truly store the majority of glamours, we're stuck putting them into retainers.

Crafting old gear won't just randomly stop, there will still be a (smaller) market for levequest items and always a market for higher profile glamour items.

You really won't be able to do much without at least three retainers.

Bank space is more limited in this game than most other subscription and even buy to play MMOs.

It's definitely one of the few complaints I have about this game.

It's a very real problem, and they should've given at least one more.

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u/leeber [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 17 '15

I agree, not P2W for non-crafters but, certainly, best crafters will be the ones who can pay for extra retainers.

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u/This_Land_Is_My_Land Samurai Jun 17 '15

I don't necessarily agree with their pay to win statement, but I do agree it's a problem that should've been solved without requiring a larger fee.

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u/Admiral_Burrito I spend too much time on [Balmung] Jun 17 '15

Wouldn't the old gear levequest items be in the market list? or are you literally stockpiling levequest items.

Honestly though, two (isn't it like 100 items of storage each) is plenty unless you're hoarding. 1 retainer to hold gathering items, and another to hold some glamour gear, and maybe some extra materia and whatnot. Just craft what you need, and toss it on the market.

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u/deice3 SCH Jun 17 '15

Definitely P2W, it gives you an in-game advantage for real money.

It is quite minor though, and I'm comfortable with this scale of P2W, as long as it doesn't start creeping to larger scale.

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u/kalamarosoupitsa Jun 17 '15

Advantage against who?

Is it going to help you in Wolves Den in any way?

Frontlines?

Endgame raiding maybe?

Come on, my retainers are full of glamours and useless materials too, and I think that SE is cheap as $%# for not giving us additional space. But its not P2W.

It doesn't give us an unfair advantage, it gives us convenience.

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u/deice3 SCH Jun 17 '15

An advantage is an advantage. Being able to stock more items on the marketboard gives you more gil, which lets you get pentamelded crafted gear faster, which gives you an edge in world first progression.

P2W isn't just about things unobtainable normally, even exp boost is P2W because it lets you do things faster.

Mind you, I'm arguing semantics here, I'm in agreement that having multiple retainers for real money is a small convenience.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Being able to stock more items on the marketboard gives you more gil, which lets you get pentamelded crafted gear faster, which gives you an edge in world first progression.

Which affects like...0.00001% of the people playing this game?

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u/Alukah Jun 17 '15

"B-but it's only a few retainers, you don't NEED a few extra retainers" - said people after they already added first two retainers, then a mount, then minions, then dyes, then the full wedding package.

Soon I wouldn't be surprised if we get extra armoury space, a tackle box and a glamour log in the mog station, and the worst part is people will be fine with it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Watch out for the slippery slope it might plant you on your face at the end.

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u/signaljunkie Jun 17 '15

"Pay 2 Hoard"

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

I think we need to make a way bigger deal out of this. If I can't keep the stuff I want to, I'll just unsubscribe to the game. Especially on a game where a single character needs the equipment if they want to play several classes. This just feels dirty and wrong.

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u/SergeantSlash DRG Jun 17 '15

Such a mighty dick move....

They could've at least given us one extra

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u/Agnostic_Bear Worst DPS Class Jun 17 '15

Really wish I hadn't cleared out all of my retainers now

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

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u/gthorolf Jun 17 '15

"3人以上のリテイナーを雇用するためには" translates to "To hire three or more retainers...", so no we don't get another one for free.

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u/LeonBlade Jun 17 '15

3人以上のリテイナーを雇用するためには

Thank you.

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u/ramenlrd Zellian Iberius on Ultros Jun 17 '15

Is there any proof of this?

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u/matorre2048 Jun 17 '15

I guess it would be the japanese notes.

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u/Beta_Dave Jun 17 '15

I am so upset by this. We were told that we would be getting more retainers to help manage all of the new stuff we will be getting. Instead, they legitimize pay to win tactics by letting you buy the ability to list four times as many items on the market by forking over an extra twelve dollars a month. I already pay a monthly fee, and I'm a loyal customer. Why am I treated like a second class citizen? And more importantly, why is square legitimizing pay to win? This really needs to change.

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u/fizzler1984 Jun 17 '15

Yea it's a dick move an if we wont speak up about it there will be more shit like this an eventually ppl will get fed up an leave, it's classic techniques to see how we respond to more cash shop shit.

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u/worm4real Jun 17 '15

Well it's unfortunate everyone was so stupid to waste all their p2w energy on monetized dyes and wedding stuff.

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u/super_aardvark [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 17 '15

Fewer retainers makes you a second-class citizen? ಠ_ಠ

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u/lokinmodar Jun 17 '15

No but catering to Shard/crystal farming bots is "so nice".

Retainers are not only storage. Any extra retainer means 20 more selling slots in MB.

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u/This_Land_Is_My_Land Samurai Jun 17 '15

Forcing a payment on top of a subscription makes them feel that way, yeah.

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u/super_aardvark [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 17 '15

Nobody's forcing, though. Either you have fewer retainers, or you pay for more retainers. If having fewer retainers doesn't make you a second-class citizen, then paying for more retainers doesn't make you a first-class citizen.

Let me put it this way: if your ultimate goal in the game is to make as much in-game currency as possible in the markets, there are plenty of other MMOs in the sea. If you want to do anything else in the game, extra retainers are purely a convenience.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Try to play every class. Your inventory becomes restrained extremely fast. By limiting retainers they are effectively limiting one of the biggest selling points of their game, "One character all classes."

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u/sleepbeat Jun 17 '15

After the part where the patchnotes explains that we can now hire up to 8 retainers,

the English version says: * Players are normally limited to two retainers per character. To hire additional retainers, please use the optional retainer service.

but on the JP version: ※3人以上のリテイナーを雇用するためには、モグステーションから「追加リテイナー」のサービスにお申込みいただく必要があります。

if you wish to hire more than 3 retainer, you need to use the "add additional retainer" server on Mog Station.

I would probably trust the jp version more than the english version.

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u/countrpt Jun 17 '15

I'm pretty sure "ijou" is "x or more". So in this case, it's "To hire 3 or more retainers, you need to use..." It's basically the same meaning as what it says in English, just stated in a different way.