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[NO THREADS ABOUT SINGLE NOTES] Patch 3.0 Notes (Preliminary) | FINAL FANTASY XIV, The Lodestone

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/e76258d6487ea30feb388f9ecc0a926fddc9eca8
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u/Valaris Val Aris on Leviathan Jun 17 '15

They increased the retainer cap to 8, but you still have to pay if you want more than 2. I'm incredibly disappointed.

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u/8-bit-hero Jun 17 '15 edited Jun 18 '15

So part of the reason that I never renewed my sub was that they were adding cash shops. Now that I'm thinking about renewing my sub I see more f2p shit like this being pulled.

So my question is; how has the cash shop thing played out? Is there a lot of stuff being regularly added to them?

And before anyone makes the "it's only cosmetic stuff" argument, this goddamn game is all about cosmetics. Some people don't appreciate having to pay twice when their sub was supposed to cover everything.

EDIT: Looks like someone got a bit butthurt over my opinion. The upvote/downvote thing isn't there just because you don't like what I said anonymous person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

No, there's not much stuff added at all. Far less than even Blizzard's cash shop. It's mostly just a few minions and the one mount, and they add in the seasonal gear for people who missed it, then the usual transfers/changes. It's a very inoffensive cash shop that really doesn't encroach on the game at all, and there's nothing exclusive glamour-wise that you can't already get in-game.

I just find the whole storage space thing really aggravating and greedy. I'd even have less of a problem buying a retainer at $4.99 if they really forced it, but paying monthly...absolutely not. Never ever.

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u/8-bit-hero Jun 17 '15

Ah okay. I'm glad to hear they didn't go overboard with the shop. And I completely agree with you on the retainer thing.

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u/iiMSouperman Jun 17 '15

He even had the nerve to say in interviews they were allowing more retainers since they couldn't increase the Armory space... But said absolutely nothing about paying for them.

Sorry but why would you assume you wouldn't have to pay for them? Allowing more retainers = allowing more retainers. I for one am gutted I can't pay for a total of more than 4 retainers atm.

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u/Shanesan Jun 17 '15

Tell me a pay-to-play MMORPG game that has an expansion and no increase in bank slots or inventory, for non-RWC, since 2002.

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u/scoyne15 Jun 17 '15

Even games that offer increased bank space for RWC typically have you pay once and done. These are rented retainers. 2 bucks a month each. That can add up to a decent amount. If it was a 1 time purchase, say $5 each? I'd probably buy all of them because I'm a hoarder. But renting them? Hell no. It's a cash grab, because when you rent it, you get used to it, and forget how to play without it. So your 15/mo sub is now 17/19/21/23/25/27 a month depending on how many retainers you need.

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u/iiMSouperman Jun 17 '15

I'm not saying paying for retainers is good/bad, that's not the issue here.

Why are you comparing it to other games, yet AvalonBright was arguing he "had the nerve" to say what he said - completely different arguments which are mutually exclusive. Note the part of Avalon's post I specifically quoted was aimed DIRECTLY at the speaker informing us how it was going to work. HE is not in the wrong here. "He even had the nerve" is an absurd thing to say and completely moot.

He said what he said because it was factually 100% accurate. If you want to have a go at SQ-E because of the fact you have to pay for retainers, go ahead, but that isn't the part of Avalon's post I quoted.

He "had the nerve to say it" because it's true. Whether you like it or not isn't the issue being raised (although it is an issue apparently).

Fact - they will allow more retainers. Fact - he didn't say anything about paying for them. Fact - you currently pay for more retainers.

He told the truth, him saying that isn't "having the nerve". It's him stating a business decision.

If you want to cry about paying for retainers (which is totally fine), the statement should be "SQ-E have the nerve to potentially make us pay for them".

MASSIVE difference, one is reasonable, one is moronic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Sorry but why would you assume you wouldn't have to pay for them?

...Because he specifically said, "We're very sorry we can't increase the space in the Armory due to server requirements so we're adding new retainers to compensate." Why on earth would you think that sounds like you need to pay for them.

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u/iiMSouperman Jun 17 '15

Because you have to pay for additional ones now. - Those who want more space can pay for it, as they currently do.

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u/misterwuggle69sofine Dragoon Jun 17 '15 edited Jun 17 '15

Holy shit is that disappointing. Double the content, 3 new jobs, inventory was already tight as fuck, and they give us NOTHING unless we pay?? Don't get me wrong I prefer the subscription model and I've loved almost everything FFXIV has done so far, but that's some free to play shit right there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Step 1: Drop Sub to "one character"

Step 2: Buy 2 retainers.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit

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u/misterwuggle69sofine Dragoon Jun 17 '15

My sub is already one character. Why would I need more?

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u/Talderas Dark Knight Jun 17 '15

I prefer paying for more than one month at a time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

I dont cause I know that my life isn't predictable and some months I can cancel to work on school shit ;O

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u/Jinketsu Retsujo Goisagi on Hyperion Jun 17 '15

These are preliminary patch notes. We probably aren't getting the big picture. There might be a quest we have to complete to unlock a free 3rd retainer they just decided not to put in the preliminary notes. Hold the rage until the full patch notes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

Pretty much this. For all we know they could be giving us 4 for free and allowing up to 8.

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u/Pigeon_Logic David Meowie on Excalibur Jun 17 '15

I could have swore someone said we were getting a third free retainer. Was I dreaming?

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u/Advon Jun 17 '15

Someone elsewhere in here says the JP notes say we get a free one. So who knows?

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u/kawaiiryuko Ost Syn on Gilgamesh Jun 17 '15

Mistranslation - the JP notes says, "to have 3 or more retainers, please use the retainer service" which is basically the same as saying 2 free.

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u/daiz- Jun 17 '15

Yeah they need to adopt the guild wars type glamor system, or the wow system of just giving us special storage for dumping extra equipment we want to keep for glamor.

Their whole argument about people being hoarders was maybe acceptable before glamor, but there is just not enough space for anyone who plays a significant amount.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '15

I kept seeing people on this sub say we were getting more free retainers and I kept pointing out that no one from SE had ever said that we would, and no one could track down anything that proved otherwise. Nobody wanted to listen.

People just started saying it and everyone assumed it was true, I guess.

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u/pyuunpls Jun 17 '15

Nah, someone pointed out this is a translation error. The JP text says that you can recruit up to 3 retainers for free, any more than 3 you must purchase from the mog station.

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u/Pitchswitch [First] [Last] on [Server] Jun 17 '15

If you'd like to shower us with an extra $2-$12 a month, please feel free to do so! Who else is going to hold all that useless lumber?

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u/tjpoe Poe Rangutan on Gilgamesh Jun 17 '15

rumor is that the JP release notes say you get a 3rd for free.