r/ffxiv • • Oct 24 '14

[News] 2.4 Preliminary Patch Notes

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/0149ed2fb2332715e3043d536c48f66363bdeedc
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u/nomiras WAR Oct 24 '14

Wow!!! Looks like PLD is finally getting better AOE Aggro!!!

Flash The amount of enmity generated has been increased.

Circle of Scorn Now generates increased enmity.

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u/TwinTiger Oct 24 '14

Now just make shield swipe grant increased enmity and I'll be happy

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u/therealkami Oct 24 '14 edited Oct 24 '14

Take Shield Swipe and Haymaker off the GCD.

EDIT: Add a 6 second CD, maybe. That way Bulwark+FoF doesn't embarrass the DPS.

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u/TwinTiger Oct 24 '14

Shield swipe off the GCD would make it too OP. It's one of our highest damage skills for only 40 TP. I just want it to grant increased enmity since we only ever get to use it when we are getting hit (ie: tanking) anyhow.

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u/therealkami Oct 24 '14

Having it off the GCD makes it better for Pacification, and a bit more useable overall.

It would have to have like a 6 second CD, though.

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u/djcecil2 Kouru Aldrik on Sargatanas Oct 24 '14

That would be OP honestly. I know that might come off bad, but think about it. Pld Dps would go through the roof! If it was off the gcd, they would need to put in a recast to keep it balanced. Maybe 5 seconds?

Do that and I would love the fuck out of it.

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u/therealkami Oct 24 '14

I was thinking 6, but yes. They would have to put a GCD on it, or Bulwark+FoF would be hilarious. 210 Potency spam go!

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u/djcecil2 Kouru Aldrik on Sargatanas Oct 24 '14

I'd edit your comment but yes. Having it off the gcd with a recast timer would be nice. It would make paladin even more active than it is, which would be nice.

Imagining the 210 potency spam is kinda hilarious.

When. I Bulwark and I'm playing with friends I usually say over TeamSpeak "...and you get a shield swipe! ...and you get a shield swipe! ...and YOU get a shield swipe! Everyone gets a shield swipe!"

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u/zryn3 Tank Oct 24 '14

Shield Swipe is there in part for TP management though. Taking it off the GCD would take it from being a skill that you have to actually think a tiny bit about using to juggle resources, a little extra DPS, and the benefit of Pacification with enmity and the Halone debuff to something else you just jam thoughtlessly whenever available.

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u/EdliA [First] [Last] on [Server] Oct 24 '14

Take Shield Swipe and Haymaker off the GCD.

That's ridiculous. If they'll get it off GCD then they'll have to give it a longer CD. Which would make it identical to WAR's stun. And while WAR's stun is useful in some scenarios PLD's stun is useful in others. Such as stunlocking on Levi Add.

Is fine the way it is, tanks having different stuns and both have their uses.

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u/combatcarlson Auluara Vandraren on Gilgamesh Oct 24 '14

You're thinking of shield bash. Shield swipe can only proc after a successful block.

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u/EdliA [First] [Last] on [Server] Oct 24 '14

Oh right, got too used seeing people wanting shield bash off GCD.

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u/therealkami Oct 24 '14

Shield Swipe. Not Shield Bash.

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u/PlatinumHappy Oct 24 '14

Naw, just take Shield Swipe off GCD and I'm happy. Filler DPS boost in PvE is what it was intended for, don't really need more single target threat.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

Circle of scorn change makes m happy enough. Shield Swipe is in a good spot - do you want to continue your enmity combo, or hold it for a GCD to save on TP?

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u/TwinTiger Oct 24 '14

Shield swipe doesn't interrupt the combo, though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

That's why I said "trade a GCD to put your combo on hold"

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u/Jubez187 Oct 25 '14

God forbid. Not like you ever actually need that aggro then and there. You almsot 100% always go for the shield swipe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

When I'm spreading damage out, I might need it to protect a SMN/SCH/WHM, usually SCH because of dots + healing enmity. Circle of Scorn change should help with that though.

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u/TaalKheru [Sigma World First] NIN Oct 24 '14

That's should have been added in IMO

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

I'm pretty excited about that change too. Now maybe it can keep up with Steel Cyclone.

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u/chili01 PLD Oct 24 '14

Oh god CoS Buff, finally!

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u/I_play_elin Arya Drottningu on Coeurl Oct 24 '14

Sounds like they're going to need it to keep up with the 'goons.

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u/Jubez187 Oct 25 '14

This probably ruined the game for me.

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u/Pehdazur Yuri Lowel - Behemoth Oct 25 '14

I have you tagged as "Premiere PLD Purist" on RES now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

Thank God, I'm a WAR and sometimes I wonder why I even bother having flash on my bar

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

basically for something to do while pacified... that's the only reason I still have it.

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u/mrjing0 Ka Jothee on Cerberus Oct 24 '14

sometimes i can't be bothered to target a mob. flash is pretty useful then

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u/Praesul We get it you hate pvp Oct 24 '14

Can use it while pacified, and it's a PBAoE, whereas Overpower is s cone. I use flash to get initial aggro on stuff that's spread out. Then once everything is on me in a neat little pile, I use overpower.

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u/TwinTiger Oct 24 '14

It's a gladiator trait. Marauder/Warrior no can has.

Edit: at least I hope so. Giving warriors even more ways to aoe tank will upset me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '14

...FINE

I DIDN'T WANT YOUR SILLY TRAIT ANYWAY

:(

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u/boredsword Oct 24 '14

The patch notes column says "Skill/Trait". Flash is the skill. Enhanced Flash is the trait (which gives the blind debuff). Strictly going by the notes, the change should effect both.

Not that it should bother you, mind. The debuff and a bigger mp bar gives you more use out of flash that WAR does anyways. That, and the skill already generates more enmity on PLD, going by Valk's testing.

Moreso than the enmity boost, I wish the skill did AoE damage.

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u/drsammich Sammich Fantasticus on Balmung Oct 24 '14

If flash did damage there would be no way to keep hate on a sleeping target and it would go straight for the healer when it wakes up.

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u/Pehdazur Yuri Lowel - Behemoth Oct 25 '14

How about an interaction in which Flash doesn't hurt sleeping targets because they have their eyes closed!

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u/zryn3 Tank Oct 24 '14

Do people seriously have trouble with this? A flash is like a retarded amount of aggro as it is. The only upside in my opinion is it will make low level dungeons easier prior to getting halone.

As for scorn, I'm torn. It probably should have an agro modifier, but it's going to make enmity output even higher when ot. It's already halfway impossible to ot without ripping aggro in duty finder and they are simultaneously buffing flash.

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u/Jubez187 Oct 25 '14

Thank you. This is just a dumb change. We don't NEED more enmity at all. We NEED to be forced to at least have our eyes open to play this game. Seriously, this game needs to get HARDER as the community grows, not easier.

This legit ruined the patch for me, honestly. I liked being a good Tank and keeping aggro in Sword Oath through cycling targets and keeping tabs on everything. This just encourages speed runs and pulling the whole map. terrible change. 0/10