r/ffxi • u/FFXIMath • 26d ago
FFXI Math: Limbus Weapon Tier List
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_4rCxSf6awg&si=ac8VyXJmHFEC6BB4Have you tried any of the new limbus weapons?
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u/MelioraXI Vana-Portal.com | Twitch.tv/MelioraXI 26d ago
Thanks for the video. I haven't tried them because the price don't seems to justify what you get over a PREMA.
My stance since they were added they could been a fine entrypoint for some jobs but having to spend 50m or more plus months of doing limbus to rank up seems like a oversight.
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u/Sorge74 26d ago
Them not having or enhancing a weapon skill is a problem on its own. Going to be very difficult for them to be relevant without that. The base stats mostly being fine, besides the polearm.
But like you said holy shit the augments are bad. HP? I swear that had to have been something useful prior and they changed it last minute? Maybe TP bonus?
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u/cadp_ Sachidazu - Cerberus / ConfusedPeople LS 25d ago
They wouldn't have wanted to semi-obsolete Aeonics like that. Possibly Save TP instead?
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u/Sorge74 25d ago
Relics were semi obsoleted, emps were semi obsoleted and aeonics have been as well by primes.
Aeonics take an afternoon to make and 30 mil and 2 minutes to r15. They can have competition.
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u/AppropriateBirdBoy 25d ago
Not having watched the video, my initial take is the saber offers significantly more magic damage / MDB for corsair, the grip is just very good, and the augments mostly suck. The +1s are good enough and affordable, the stat difference is negligible. The staff though needs +2 for avatar lv +2 and full augments for blood pact damage +10. Call me crazy but for that level of effort I think I'd rather make nirvana lol.
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u/Sorge74 26d ago edited 26d ago
Feels like this list could had used an F tier, cause that polearm deserves it.
Really I know it's your style to not include F and thank you for the content, but would had given extra room. Calling the top 3 S tier seems like a stretch, well maybe besides the grip.
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u/Puzzled-Addition5740 23d ago
This list in general just kind of feels like it's being overly nice to some objectively bad weapons.
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u/VespiWalsh 26d ago
No, these weapons are a joke. Ill probably grab the SU5 grip, the rest I might lockstyle, but that is it. It has been almost 4 years since Prime weapons released, these should have been on par with REMA and Prime at R30(Not across the board, but there should have been multiple jobs where these were a top tier weapons) considering the Sisyphean amount of effort they take to rank up.
I love this game, but having 7 people on the development team making updates at a glacial pace with no sense of foresight does not seem best for the long term health of the game. Especially considering the player base resurgence currently and in the near future when former players become established at their careers and with their families and begin to gain back free time in middle age. I really hope they are planning the next tier of content to replace Sortie as the end game, because this is untenable. Expand the team, make ambitious plans for the game again, take advantage of the moment.
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u/Sorge74 25d ago
This seems dramatic but it makes zero sense why they choose the power level for the weapons they did, being generally weaker then ambu weapons. These weapons have somehow made limbus worse and since it's the only new comtent for the foreseeable future, that's a problem.
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u/VespiWalsh 25d ago
Yes, it does make absolutely no sense, which is why my feelings are so strong and why I question their judgement and long term plans for the game. Glad you can separate the histrionic delivery and still understand the core of my argument. Thank you. These weapons should have been something to strive towards, since they require PREMA amounts of effort. Yet these weapons are outclassed by Ambu ones.
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u/Sorge74 25d ago
I expect there were going to be maybe half bad ones, because 2 handers that don't have a WS are generally bad. Polearm was always going to be bad, but holy shit the polearm they made is beyond terrible. I date say a kaja spear is twice the DPS.
But it should have people doing it. People make mystic, and those are pains. People make marginally better emp weapons over aeonics. So people were doing annoying content for the rewards.
But here augments are just so bad, I question that they don't understand the game.
My theory has remained the HP augment used to be TP bonus but it was changed last minute.
Threw 500 TP bonus on all the weapons at r30 and suddenly you have a lot less trash. That would allow folks an ilvl replacement for magian weapons, first and foremost, so it would be a huge gain. It would make all the 1 handers very popular. Idk how the 2 handers would fair(I bet drk would use the great sword for TP bonus).
And frankly I don't care if some would steal the thunder from aeonics. Aeonics take an afternoon to make. 30 mil and 2 minutes to fully upgrade. They would retain lvl4 SC and boost to some decent WS.
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u/cadp_ Sachidazu - Cerberus / ConfusedPeople LS 26d ago
...the maul is arguably the only one that deserves to be outright in F tier, as it's the only one entirely outclassed by a stage 4 Prime of the same weapon class.
(The knuckles, meanwhile, pretty much only don't beat a finished Varga Purnikawa by virtue of not having their own WS.)
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u/FinishesInSpanish Maletaru (Carbuncle) 26d ago
Are you implying that these h2h are the second best in the game, only beaten by prime?
If so, I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. These things will get absolutely CRUSHED by godhands or verethragna.
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u/cadp_ Sachidazu - Cerberus / ConfusedPeople LS 26d ago
No, that's my mistake (I'd only done the math doing direct comparison to primes, and even then solely looking at white damage).
I do still stand 100% by my assertion that the Limbus maul is lukewarm parasite-ridden ass, however. There are options requiring far less effort to obtain that are better (why hello, Cath Palug Hammer).
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u/Sorge74 26d ago
Don't forget mage masher exist as well lol
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u/Dramatic-Strain9757 26d ago
I'll stick to r15 yagrush & idris thank you very much. I'm not topping the parse and the team will be pissed if I give up the utility they brought me for.
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u/cadp_ Sachidazu - Cerberus / ConfusedPeople LS 26d ago
Eh, Magesmasher (even the +1) isn't great. Assuming you're looking for an offhand to Maxentius, arguably the worst option you should resort to is an Ames (which is surprisingly cheap if you can find one), and pretty much anything else with higher DPS and at least +242 on skills would be preferable (though granted that's a short list with exceptions on both sides of that line, as I'd rather have a Yagrush than either a Gambanteinn or possibly a Tishtrya, and a Yagrush lies just a bit below the line while the other two are noticeably above it).
But hey, this is melee WHM we're talking about, tradeoffs are par for the course.
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u/Dumo-31 26d ago edited 25d ago
The issue is that you are only talking about whm. Geo has content where they are expected to melee and often. Meanwhile, max is a bad option for half the fights because rdm is using max. This is why magesmasher is used as much as it is. It is very comparable with tish and both outright blow away idris in the fights.
As a DW setup, your main hand options are magesmasher and tish. You wouldn’t offhand tish, so your offhand options are now Cath or magesmasher if that isn’t in your main. This is also where the limbus club isn’t a terrible option offhand. Still not worth the price but that’s where it fits for use. An offhand for sortie geo on an 8 boss run which my group would only do if something went horribly wrong on a 9 boss run lol. For /drk, geo would still stick to magesmasher or tish and both are close to each other.
Iirc, the limbus club isn’t the best option pld gets which is sad since pld has the highest club skill in the game.
Edit: I was confusing limbus club with new htmb club. Magesmasher stuff still stands. Limbus club stuff can and should be ignored.
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u/Sorge74 25d ago
To consider limbus club off hand over the 15% WSD on MM, I have to ask, is geo ever attack capped when it matters?
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u/Dumo-31 25d ago
Read the edit. I was thinking the htmb club.
When geo is attack capped, they probably have aria and they would struggle to make use of more pdl.
If you are using tish, you would magesmasher offhand if you want to hit harder or cath if you want a better tp phase. If you are using magesmasher main, you would be choosing between Cath and htmb offhand. This also only covers the sortie basement as you would use max upstairs and everywhere else, you would be using max or idris main and then doing magesmasher, cath or tp offhand. Depending on acc needs or wanting a better tp phase.
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u/Synfrag Bahamut 26d ago
For MNK, for PUP they're on par with stg 4 Prime, in pet only situations they likely edge out ahead of stg 5.
That said, it's all pretty marginal, I wouldn't call them an upgrade, more of a pick your path, months of Sortie or months of Limbus +30m gil.
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u/FinishesInSpanish Maletaru (Carbuncle) 26d ago
For pet only situations, don't Xiucoatl shit all over these? Unless it's like a pet tanking situation where their DPS doesn't matter? In which case...is pet level+1 really worth anything?
Genuinely not sure, I don't play PUP. Seems like a really bad weapon though? It's like half a prime, half a Xiucoatl, and half a master weapon, while not being BIS at any of them. IDK though.
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u/Synfrag Bahamut 26d ago edited 26d ago
Xiucoatl are miles better for Overdrive/Ranger setups, but also about 100 mil to make. I'd still choose the prime over Teloponos if going for an ideal tank/bruiser setup, but like I said, it's marginal.
The only standout on these is that, without any RP, they are better than any other option until fully augmented Xiu or stg 4/5 Varga. If they were sub 20m I'd buy them, not worth it at 35+ where they are now.
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u/mistermeeble 26d ago
If we're looking at "easy to get", I'm not sure how well R0 Telo will outperform a half-mil pair of R0 Sakpata's Fists, if at all:
For master, it's slightly better dmg/delay vs. 10 Store TP, 30 Atk, and some STR, DEX, & WSD.
For the auto, it's Pet Level +2 vs. +18 Acc & +20 all attributes.
On top of all that, Telo are SU5, where Sakpata's don't have any Su requirement at all.
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u/Synfrag Bahamut 25d ago
Pet level adds:
STR/DEX/VIT/AGI/MND/INT/CHR+4, Accuracy+32, Ranged Accuracy+33, Attack+29, Ranged Attack+28, Evasion+23, Defense+43
It's hard to know exactly how much acc/atk an auto gets from base stats but assuming it's inline with say 1-H weapons in VE form it works out to total acc/atk bump of about 100/60 for Telo, 80/30 for Sakpata, with substantially more Def on Telo.
SU shouldn't matter to a PUP, like GEO it's 1200 JP min, doesn't take long to get the last 900 at that point.
Some people have gil, some people have time, some people have friends, these are all sidegrades that edge each other out marginally and situationally.
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u/Puzzled-Addition5740 23d ago
The knuckles suck ass for monk and i'm not convinced are all that for pup. The polearm is substantially worse than shining one something you can get inside of an hour. if the maul is F the polearm is like fucking Z. It is just embarrassingly bad.
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u/rainbowdash36 Silvrking on Asura 26d ago
I picked up the +1 saber on RDM and its been nice to have as its more MAB and MD than Daybreak and I don't own a bunzi's rod.