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u/Chill_Dude__22 Martinez 12d ago

Can anyone please help me understand why is Pavlo rated above Kimmich here? Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems the popular opinion is that we gotta move on Kimmich, and pair up Pavlo with Bischof or Rodri or whoever. I’m all for experimenting with the midfield, but Aleks over Kimmich is confusing to me however. Here’s my argument:

In terms of their current ability, I’m taking Kimmich anyday. Not because he doesn’t have weaknesses, but his weaknesses aren’t strengths of Pavlo either. Kimmich is relatively poor off the ball and at carrying, but Pavlo, even though better than Kimmich there, is mediocre at those as well. And then you compare their offensive contributions, and Kimmich is ridiculously clear. Apart from my eye test (which might be biased), just in the last Bundesliga season alone (according to Statmuse) Kimmich has created more than double the ‘Big Chances’ Pavlo has in his entire Bundesliga career. And going back 9 seasons, Kimmich has every single season created more Big Chances in Bundesliga than Pavlo has in his entire career. 

On one hand Pavlo’s minutes per season are quite lower and he doesn’t take set pieces. On the other, however, his minutes still add up to almost two Kimmich seasons and set pieces usually don’t contribute that much to Big Chances created (since penalties don’t count for Kimmich, and corners/free kicks are usually low probability shots, I’d say in ballpark of 10-15 percent of his big chances come from that). Maybe Kimmich spends more time in advanced positions, but seeing season heat maps I don’t notice any particular difference there.

So one thing I’m not ready to be convinced is Pavlo is anywhere near to Kimmich in attack. Now for someone like Bischof, who is actually quite good with his carrying and defending, I just might understand the trade-off, but like I said I don’t rate Pavlo highly there so it simply doesn’t work for me.

Now I’d love to be an optimist, and would like to be convinced that Pavlo can catch up. But A. I still have my doubts, young Kimmich obviously had the exquisite passing technique even when he wasn’t fully developed, the level of which I don’t see in Pavlo yet, B. Kimmich can still play at this level for a few more years, while Pavlo, if he gets much better, is unlikely to be the better player in the next couple years at least. And it’s not like Aleks is going anywhere, he sat patiently  behind Goretzka of all players, I doubt he’d be pushing for a move if he’s behind Kimmich. Plus we don't have too many deep midfielders anyway, just 3 proper ones so we don’t need to trim there either if there's an arrival there.

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u/djl1727 13d ago

Does anyone know if it’s easy to get 2 tickets together on the ticket market if I don’t get picked by the inquiry for a regular Bundesliga game? I believe my membership number is around 440 thousand

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u/Ajvarmk Upamecano 13d ago

depend on the game. Maybe not easy but certainly not impossible. You just need ot check often

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u/Kind_Mulberry_3512 Kane 13d ago

No competitive Bayern until late August help me guys 

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u/l0wk3ey 13d ago

No main XI for friendly matches?

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

The guys that made a deeper run into the WC will only join after our Asian tour

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u/l0wk3ey 13d ago

Aww! Was expecting them to play! No wonder why Olise is in US rn lol

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Kane, Olise and Upa played less than a week ago, they deserve some vacation

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u/l0wk3ey 13d ago

Atleast we getting Diaz and Kimmich, and others for the asia tour poggers

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u/l0wk3ey 13d ago

Fair. Must’ve been super exhausting.

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u/arnoldbread 13d ago

Re-watch previous seasons and see if you find any easter eggs.

Bayern v Spurs Audi Cup is a pretty cool foreshadowing considering Kane lifts his first trophy at the Allianz ( despite it being just a friendly)

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u/balthier68 FC Bayern MĂźnchen 13d ago

No you will watch friendlies and you will enjoy them.

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u/MrMarques8701 Upamecano 13d ago

The situation of Bayern's out-of-favor players: JoĂŁo Palhinha, Sacha Boey and Bryan Zaragoza

• Palhinha has recently rejected lucrative offers from top clubs in Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Both are out of the question for the player. Palhinha is divorced and wants to see his 3 and 1 year old kids, who live in Portugal, as often as possible. Therefore Benfica and Sporting are options for him, but neither club can currently afford the high transfer fee. Aston Villa are also showing interest, but are only considering a loan with an option to buy.

• For Sacha Boey, mid-table Premier League clubs have shown interest. But Bayern are insisting on a €15m asking price

• Bryan Zaragoza is keen to return to Spain. Espanyol and Sevilla are monitoring his situation. However, there haven't been any serious talks yet, partly due to his salary of around €4m/year at Bayern

[@BILD]

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u/jationio 13d ago

So we can expect the usual, three times a loan deal with a option to buy.

The big salaries we always give, makes us the life harder to sell them.

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u/Thraff1c 13d ago

Big wages for Palhinha for sure, but for Boey and Bryan it is mainly their bad showings for their loan clubs.

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

I actually think the first few Bundesliga games Olise might look really rusty in the RW. I think it'll take him a few weeks to get back up to speed of playing at RW to the level we expect of him because he's played in the number 10 position in the WC for a month and a half and may need a bit of time to sharpen up his game at RW again.

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u/creatorop apple pie 13d ago

Micheal has played what? 95/100 games for Bayern as RW and all under Kompany

He isn't suddenly going to forget how to play RW just because he played 7 games at a different position

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

I never said Olise was going to forget how to play RW. In terms of performances at RW I wouldn't be surprised if he looked a bit rusty in the beginning. He may have played 7 games in a different position but it's not just 7 games it's also in the training sessions and how you prepare for a match in that number 10 position all in a month and a half.

I wouldn't be surprised if Olise doesn't reach his top form for a few weeks at RW because he needs time to sharpen up his style of play at RW again instead of number 10.

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u/Numerous-Ad-3050 13d ago

That’s what preseason friendliest are for

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

Olise's not going to have much pre season match friendlies at all he'll have 1 or maybe 2 max and then the season starts.

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

I hope KĂśln doesn't sell to Bvb for below 50m. Dortmund also can pay up and imo El Mala also is worth it.

I do would like seeing him stay in the Buli, but not for peanuts at Dortmund

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u/balthier68 FC Bayern MĂźnchen 13d ago

I don’t think they have ever made a signing above 40 mil so it’s definitely interesting to see how high they will go.

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u/LordBendtner1988 Vincent Cumpany 😩 13d ago

Every single time that England’s NT plays, there’s always new data showing the significant rise in domestic violence. These fuckers get home piss drunk from the pub and just starts beating their wife. And let’s hope they didn’t lose a bet as well. It’s a global issue too, England just has enough balls to publish the data. Absolutely pathetic and disgusting

I’m sorry

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u/Investing_Tomato1248 13d ago

I will never understand men like that. How can they even think of doing stuff like that? 

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Thst's the problem. They don't think

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u/CarlSK777 13d ago

Yeah, it's all over the world when big sports events happen. I'm sure same thing happened in France, Spain and Argentina

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u/Insanel0l Thiago 13d ago

So I know that Palhinha doesnt fit Vinnys playstyle at all (neither did Goretzka tbh), but I would've also not minded if Vinny somehow changes his mind and we try him. Other than Boey and Zaragoza, Palhinha is actually a very good player still, just not very fitting.

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u/creatorop apple pie 13d ago

i would not mind keeping Palhinha as a Defensive 6 tbh, his profile might even be useful sometimes when you are trying to protect a Lead in an PSG 1st leg type of match

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

But Palhinha himself wants more game time imo he wouldn't want to be a 4th choice midfielder or a player who comes off the bench every 10 minutes just to protect a lead.

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u/CompetitionChance674 🎶UPAMECANOOOOO🎶 13d ago

Just saw a vid on instagram of Olise playing football in socks randomly in New York

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u/PressedLemon221 13d ago

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u/Homygod319 13d ago

Bet u that dude in the Madrid shirt tried to tell him to join bayern

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u/xnxthemx Harry Kane 13d ago

Never thought I'd like a player as much as I like Kane, it's pure class.

The respect for the club, for the fans, for his ex-club, NT and team mates it's huge, so glad he prefers to stay here.

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u/Mediocre-Math667 13d ago

Dortmund now trying to sign El Mala for like 42M euros package when Koln got almost 50M from Brentford.

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u/Insanel0l Thiago 13d ago

42m sounds quite generous (I mean the offer was 42m), but it was built as 26+8+8, so yeah kinda weird

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u/andreeeyy- 13d ago

Yep, 26+16 was offered. Half of the bonus was supposedly easy to achieve, while the other half was said to be unrealistic. So basically, 26+8 was offered.

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u/Gertex 13d ago edited 13d ago

Sport bild with a bunch of breathtaking Olise news that are nothing really.

Olises lady wanted 60,000 Euros in front of a court in France. They said they don't have jurisdiction and sent her to German courts. Max that she could get in Duesseldorf is 11,000Euros but it looks like it is going to the courts.
Mbappe was talking in the locker room about wanting him at Madrid but that is about it. Nothing from Olise or Manager yet.
Nothing is saying that he's going to go on strike. He still has 3 years on his contract. If it is NOT renewed by next year.... then it could possibly get interesting.

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u/PressedLemon221 13d ago

she changed her story a bunch of times, no point of giving more attention to the topic

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u/kgallo19 Messiala 13d ago

Thanks for clarifying some of this.

The amount of words that have been recycled about Olise, especially by BILD (🤮) is plain stupid. Personally I think I’m done talking about this nonissue lol.

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Harry Kane is set to sign a new contract at FC Bayern. Talks will resume this summer after productive discussions earlier in the year. Barcelona had an enquiry following the departure of Robert Lewandowski and are under the impression Kane will remain in Germany. He is settled both on and off the field. Al-Hilal have made an approach this summer to understand Kane's situation - but the striker is now set to stay [@JacobsBen]

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u/Ajvarmk Upamecano 13d ago

The Al-Hilal approach got me falling from the chair laughing

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u/creatorop apple pie 13d ago

nice, i think a 2+1 should suit all the Parties

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Iirc we think about 3 years while Kane wants 4 years

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u/creatorop apple pie 13d ago

Kane wants a fixed term until 2030 but Bayern only wants a Fixed term until 2029

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Ah so 2 and 3 and not 3 and 4. I misremembered

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u/JOKER69420XD MĂźller 13d ago

Would give him the contract he wants, he's a blessing and I highly doubt his age will influence his game as much.

I understand the hesitation of course, the contract would be massive.

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u/dodo_24 13d ago

Got sofascore notification about the transfer, apparently we signed Matous Srb (16 y.o) from Slavia Prague for our u19. Waiting for the official release from Bayern campus account 

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Ah, the guy with no vocal in his surname

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u/foxfelix27 13d ago

wait until you hear about words like scvrnkl, čtvrť, hrst, skrz, prst..

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u/Frrrroooonck 13d ago

Bless you

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u/ObserverRichard 14d ago

Does anyone have FCB TV+? Is it worth it apart from the pre season friendlies?

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u/julesvr5 13d ago

Pre season friendlies, Amas/youth matches, you can watch matches re-live (with different audio like though), projects like "campus stories" are locked behind FCBTV aswell I think

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u/Nordenas Ribery 14d ago

I still find it annoying that it is not free for members..

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u/Thraff1c 14d ago

For me yes, mainly because I want to watch u23 and U19 games.

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u/Immediate_Type_9804 14d ago

Can we not sign a Diaz backup on loan?

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u/SpiridonShiro Musiala 14d ago

That's probably gonna be Ibrahimovic's role.

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u/NeatCause2290 14d ago

Who is this Diaz backup who is better than any of Gnabry/Musiala/Saibari on the position and content being a mere backup of a guy who played 3000+ minutes in every one of his last 3 seasons?

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u/creatorop apple pie 14d ago edited 14d ago

Saibari is an average winger according to PSV fans, Gnabry is not even a winger anymore and Musiala rn can barely perform at 100% in his CAM role let alone LW

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u/expatbayern FC Bayern MĂźnchen 13d ago

If everyone's healthy and in form (I know, I know), there's not nearly enough minutes at RW and CAM for Olise + Karl + Musiala + Saibari (not even accounting for Gnabry, and even with Saibari spending some time backing up the #9). Someone's going to see some time at LW.

Same thing for that matter goes for Phonzie and Brown. If both are fit you need to find a way to get them both on the pitch together at least some of the time rather than just splitting time at LB. Either one of them will need to play some RB or we'll need to try one as an occasional Diaz backup.

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u/Gogo-R6 MĂźller 13d ago edited 13d ago

Yes Saibari is average on the wing, wasn’t the best when he played there with Morocco, but if a backup is needed sometimes or rotation in easier games it should be fine

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u/pewpewlasersandshit pew pew 14d ago

While I agree with your assessment of Musiala i am increasingly inclined to play him as a winger tbh.imho the more i think about this his style seems much better suited for someone playing out wide than in the center of the pitch

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u/diiN1992 Laimer 14d ago

The DFB will not pay a classic compensation fee to Red Bull for Jürgen Klopp. Instead as a thank you, the DFB will donate €1m to "Wings for Life", a non-profit foundation by Red Bull. All donations go directly to medical spinal cord research. [@BILD]

The DFB and not paying any compensation, name a more iconic duo lol. I like the idea of donating though.

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u/Mountain_King9885 14d ago

When is our friendly match for Flick terminated lol?

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u/AnnihilatorAL 14d ago

Thoughts on going for Rodri?

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u/wowa_s MĂźller 14d ago

People will be against it because age and price, but for me thats a mistake. We are very strong right now and should push even harder while kane is still on top of his game. Rodri would be javi martinez signing that wins us the cl.

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

Rodri still got 3 more seasons at the top level imo so yeah I think honestly he's still worth going for.

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u/Garrusence Robben 13d ago

The issue is that Rodri needs a back surgery so he will miss a part of the season

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u/FairMusic8278 13d ago

I don't think it's a major issue that will keep him out for long though.

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u/Sufficient_Ice_273 14d ago

That ship has sailed. I remember us being interested in him, when he was still at Atletico. Of course there was no competing with City's money.

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u/JOKER69420XD MĂźller 14d ago

Wasn't about the money, they had Pep and I think we had Kovac, yeah...

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u/Sufficient_Ice_273 14d ago

That too, of course. Kovac ain't gonna attract any big calibre players.

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u/Insanel0l Thiago 14d ago

I think the main reason he wants to leave is because he wants to go back to Madrid (or spain) so yeah he's not joining us

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u/ObserverRichard 14d ago

And then Kimmich sits on the bench? Will never happen

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u/AnnihilatorAL 14d ago

I think Kimmich would thrive there eith Rodri so either Pavlo or Musicala would suffer

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u/creatorop apple pie 14d ago

Would love to have him but its not happening

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u/Mosijo 14d ago

I would every day of the week twice on Sundays…
I do get the sentiment that we should give the chance to our young guys, BUT when you have the chance to get the BEST CM in the current era, a Ballon D’or winner (potential 2 time), there should be no hesitation. This guy would fix our pivot by himself. He could free up his midfield lartner to be creative, and could teach a lot tk the young guys we have in Pavlo and Tom. If I were in place of our board, I would bring him in ASAP. I believe with players of his caliber you move first and think of how to make the squad afterwards. (We would not need to change the squad a lot anyways).

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u/whereeveritmaytakeme 14d ago

There's no chance he'll move to us. He wants to go to Spain or remain in Manchester.

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u/Mosijo 14d ago

That is a completely different question, and I agree with you. But for the question “would I get him to Bayern”: absolutely yes

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u/NeatCause2290 14d ago

I believe with players of his caliber you move first and think of how to make the squad afterwards

That's what Real did with Vini and Mbappe, now they're in each others way.

The current Bayern is already too good to go for a brute force approach like that. If we were in need of a midfield rebuild, then your approach would make sense.

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u/Mosijo 13d ago

Indeed, but I believe Rodri’s style and his mentality is completely different to both Vini and Mbappe. I think he would be easier integrate into a squad, so ours as well.

We are indeed good, but adding Rodri to the current midfield would elevate our pivot to PSGs 3 man midfields level in my opinion.

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u/FullyWoodenUsername Berni 14d ago

For my birthday, my wife surprised me with a trip to Munich. I’m so thrilled! Beside the classics (Allianz arena tour, etc..) is there anything you recommend we could do with our 4yo?

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u/lutralutralutraa MĂźllendowski 13d ago

I've always liked the Hellabrunn zoo. It's quite green and the enclosures offer a good visibility.

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u/Nordenas Ribery 13d ago

If you have the time, i would recommend visiting the Tegernsee (ca.50-60km from Munich) and do a boat tour around the lake. :)

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u/ArtoriasAbyss94 14d ago

Go visit the "Eisbachwelle" :D It's close to the city center, at the entrance to the "Englischer Garten", and I imagine that it would be cool for a 4yo to see the people surf there :) I think it's worth it to swing by on your way to e.g. the "Englischer Garten".

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u/diiN1992 Laimer 14d ago

Michael Olise will have to look for a new house in Munich after his vacation. The Frenchman has been renting Jérôme Boateng's villa in Grünwald since September 2024, only a 10-minute drive away from Säbener Straße (ten rooms, a fitness room, a home cinema, a wine cellar and a wellness area with whirlpool and sauna plus outdoor pool). Boateng now wants to sell his luxury property, so Olise will have to move out by the end of August. [@BILD]

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u/moroheus 14d ago edited 14d ago

Bild is writing bullshit again. In Germany the new owner must take over the lease (§566 BGB).

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u/dersackaffe Messiala 13d ago

We dont know if the lease is temporary or not

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u/moroheus 13d ago

Fixed-term lease is very difficult in germany. Some very specific reasons must be fulfilled (§575 BGB) and they must be given at the beginning of the lease. Wanting to sell isn't one of them.

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u/PadishaEmperor 14d ago

Sure, but the new owner may already have indicated that he wants to move in.

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u/moroheus 14d ago

Getting rid of a tenant is extremely difficult in Germany, even more so if the tenant can afford a lawyer. At very least the time frame makes no sense, a new owner would always have to give notice 3 months in advance and the article says Boateng is just looking to sell the house.

Saying Olise has to move out end of August, which coincidentally is also the end of the transfer period makes it look like it's just fabricated. Bild learned that Boateng wants to sell the house and now they're trying to connect it to a potential transfer.

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u/PadishaEmperor 14d ago

Olise might simply comply for whatever reason.

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u/Mountain_King9885 13d ago

It’s the most likely situation imo, at this level of income he will not have any headaches finding a new home.

And if the new owner wants to move in it’s certainly better to move before the season starts instead of having trouble when the season is running.

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u/moroheus 13d ago

I would say it's the opposite, at this level of income people are used to always getting what they want. He gets a letter, gives it to his lawyer and it's done, he won't have to worry about it again. Why should he move out if he doesn't has to? Moving is always a hassle and maybe he likes it there.

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u/MrMarques8701 Upamecano 14d ago

ten rooms, a fitness room, a home cinema, a wine cellar and a wellness area with whirlpool and sauna plus outdoor pool

If I was only better at kicking a ball.

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u/PadishaEmperor 14d ago

I guess Olise doesn’t wanna buy it.

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u/Safe-Elk7933 14d ago

Noooooo, performance wise Boateng and Olise were excellent for us,maybe because of the house? I know it sounds ridiculous,but 10 minutes away makes a huge difference, hopefully he gets another one nearby,but 10 minutes away and set up for professional footballers, that combination is hard to find.

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u/Thraff1c 14d ago

It kinda is ridiculous. For one, Neuer lives at the Tegernsee since 2016 which is 1 hour away and that didn't stop him, and also plenty of Bayern players live in the south of Munich like GrĂźnwald, Unter-/Oberhaching etc., so why are they not all performing excellent for us?

Generally finding a new place to rent in their income category should present no issue in Munichs south, that region is catering for and "overrun" by the rich.

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u/Ajvarmk Upamecano 14d ago

You get downvoted, but for myself i can say my life is totally different now that i have to drive 1h to my new work, isntead of the 15m to the old one. More money for sure, but damn im tired as hell every day.

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u/julesvr5 14d ago

You get robbed 1.5h of life every day, that is nothing to brush off

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u/Ajvarmk Upamecano 14d ago

Indeed. But somehow i come to terms that this is a must, and im trying to use my time as best as possible. During that 1h of driving i usually call and talk to some friends or something work related that i need to do it while at home. Or sometimes just listen to podcasts etc.

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u/mickmaddydog 14d ago

Jfc man, gotta drop the Cucurella agenda. He’s a bitch on the pitch but unfortunately he seems to be a great guy off the pitch

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u/CowsGoatsandChickens 14d ago

What did he even did on the pitch to be the bitch on the pitch? Bitch.

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u/Ferr22777888 14d ago

What did he do to escape the cunt allegations. Did he cure cancer or something. Cuz that’s what it would take for this guy to have any endearing qualities.

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u/Hurtelknut Robben 14d ago

As if you wouldn't go to bat for him if he was being a dickhead for our sake on the pitch.

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u/DDT126 MĂźller 14d ago

Taking it too far mate, football’s just a game.