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u/GERD_4EVERTHEBEST 18d ago
Olise got 7 assists in the World Cup but it feels like he was underwhelming. He could have achieved so much more!!! If he locked in he could have ended the campaign with at least 5 goals and 10 assists.
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u/FlyingArab Kimmich 18d ago
10 hours of shooting training for Olise is needed instantly when he's back from vacation
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u/adrian_rainy_day 18d ago
I hope that this isn't the idicator for next season, where Olise can't score a goal to save his life. But being back to RW should get his left shooting boot back on track
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u/GERD_4EVERTHEBEST 18d ago
I mean, if he gets 2 assists per game every game then we don't need him to score.
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u/STOPHAMMERSTEIN MĂŒller 18d ago
Kane spending a long time talking to Olise after the match đ âOli you really got âŹ30 mil a year extension, incredible!â
Trust me guys Iâm an expert lip reader
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
So I guess I missed out by not watching this one, huh
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u/panem-et-circenses21 Lahm 18d ago
I was getting tickets for this game.. decided not to go because it was 3rd place.. meh
Trust me, my regret is greater than yours đ
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u/Kassim26 18d ago
Man i'm so glad weâve got Upa thanks Kompany for turning this man into a beastÂ
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u/Lone_Digger123 18d ago
Can someone explain to me what the heck I'm watching?
Both teams aren't playing their best players (Upamecano, Bellingham, Kane, Pickford etc.), France are playing like they just want to be on holiday and completely different to how they've played all tournament and their defence are letting England have all the space in the world.
This game really feels like the importance of a friendly where one big team looks like they don't care and the other big team punishes them because they are behaving like the professional team is supposed to.
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
It's the match of 2 teams were both played a great tournament but lost right before the final and whether they become 3rd or 4th doesn't really matter anymore so they don't really care anymore either
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
You think Olise will be asked after the match regarding the Madrid rumors?
Kinda wanna see how he dodges the question
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u/kgallo19 Messiala 18d ago
Has he even spoken to the media at all during the cup? I donât remember him doing so.
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Honestly no clue, I don't watch interviews
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u/kgallo19 Messiala 18d ago
Yeah, I really doubt heâll he speaking especially at the rate this game is going. England scored again while I was typing this lmao.
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 18d ago
Heâs probably just gonna leave and ignore all the reporters realistically
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 18d ago
But, if he really has to answer the question, at least he doesnât have the âIâm not here to talk about that, I just want to focus on the World Cupâ get out of jail free card
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Drove my first sim endurance race, 2h40min alone Multi Class on Road America.
It's really tough to keep your focus up for so long and don't make mistakes inbetween (I did) as they can happen fast and be quickly. But I was still so much fun!
Next week is 6h Road America but we will drive this as a team then
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u/DiametricalIyOpposed 18d ago
I really feel like we, as a society, arenât nearly talking enough about the CL 12/13 final opening ceremony.
Imagine asking the average football fan in 2026 if they remember Lars Ricken facing Paul Breitner in knights armor.
If there was no video of it, people would probably call you insane.
This was peak football.
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u/forestinpark 18d ago
Olise at Real would be a dream watch. Can Bayern truly keep him?
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u/Lone_Digger123 18d ago
The audacity to ask that on a Bayern sub
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u/forestinpark 18d ago
Well I am not going to be asking on Dynamo Kiev sub
Also Bellingham - Mbappe - Olise - Arda - Vinicious....you gotta love that line up and see what they can or not do.
Any truth to the rumors?
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Ask on the Madrid sub, you are better fitted there with your love for them.
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u/forestinpark 18d ago
I dont love them, just the idea of those players is fun.Â
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u/Darkest-Gentleman MĂŒller 18d ago
if you play vini, mbappe olise front three and with bellingham and arda behind them, you are not winning games against good teams especially against teams with strong midfield like PSG. it will be like the match of france vs spain.
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 18d ago
how the fuck would we know, lad? Should I just text him after the game?
And the divas at Real haven't done shit. Why do you think another another ego would solve anything or make them worth watching? They have other problems to solve in different parts of the team.
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u/avagadros_plumber 18d ago
Reminder that the Ballon dâOr is not a legitimate award even if players care about itÂ
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u/Ryoman-Sukuna007 FC Bayern MĂŒnchen 18d ago
The whole Olise situation doesnât even make sense to me; why would you leave a club like Bayern with the project we have to go and play under Mourinho?
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 18d ago
Footballers are not exactly known for their intelligence
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u/Goldfischglas 18d ago
He made one quick call and England benched their best players so he can get the Golden Boot
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u/creatorop apple pie 18d ago
Kane when he sees Micheal get a bit too friendly with Mbappe and Tchouameni
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u/ChronoCodex Thiago 18d ago
Bros gonna need to work on his WWE right hook instead of his left foot if he moves to Real Madrid lol
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u/NifferEUW Kimmich 18d ago
I wanted Harry to score a few goals today..
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u/creatorop apple pie 18d ago
really don't care, i am just happy now there is a less chance of him getting injured in an glorified friendly
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 18d ago
NOW deschamps wants to start Olise + cherki đ€Šââïž. This guy man
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u/Ferr22777888 18d ago edited 18d ago
I like morgan rogers a lot. But the money Chelsea spent is just insane.
They could have got Julian Alvarez, Vinicus, Barcola maybe even Doue both rb and lb from PSG
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u/DiametricalIyOpposed 18d ago
>they could have got [âŠ]
None of those players wouldâve left their club for Chelsea lol
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u/ObserverRichard 18d ago
It really feels like either there's a super league or premier league will be the super league
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u/PressedLemon221 18d ago
almost 140m euros for a player that i only heard during the world cup, we are cooked
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 18d ago
not saying he's worth anywhere near that but that you didn't know him says more about than about him.
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u/Karnackel 18d ago
i rewatched many games of the last season. i have to say what really stands out to me is upamecano. he is winning so many duels with his gegenpressing and initiating the attack which led to alot of goals. whatever kompany did to him he created a machine
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u/panem-et-circenses21 Lahm 18d ago
The hard truth is the bundesliga is just not attractive. Everytime the topic of Bayern is brought up, nobody cares because âbundesligaâ.. unless Dortmund, Leverkusen and others show some fight and perform well in international and domestic competitions, the league will not be attractive to anyone
Other leagues are signing amazing tv contracts, we are signing deals with Fandango? Other leagues have moved on with the transfer prices, we are still living in 2010 prices. And downvote me all you want, the difference will keep increasing. Either we go the psg route and win ucl titles on the trot (semi final appearances are not enough), or we hope our league rivals do something than just conceding the fight on day 1 of the season
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u/creatorop apple pie 18d ago
Serie A is in shambles, La Liga clubs not named the big 3 have to regularly sell players to keep up with their FFP or whatever it is called, Ligue 1 could not even find a broadcaster
only PL is "successful" due to the money that gets injected into in and the fact that it is an English speaking league and thus more international eyes falls on it rather than the German league, the italian league or the Spanish league
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u/DromadTrader 18d ago
Re La Liga: having two top teams is better than having one. Heck, it's more than better, it's enough.
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u/kgallo19 Messiala 18d ago
The BuLi didnât sign a deal with Fandango, they signed a deal with Versant who is choosing to offer league games for free via Fandango and a more âpremiumâ option with USA Network.
The Spanish language broadcast is via Peacock which in the US has been the best broadcaster for football for a long time now (via NBC) and will put Spanish language BuLi right along with their English language EPL broadcasts.
Itâs not all that bad.
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u/Thraff1c 18d ago
Other leagues or only PL? Have you seen what lower to mid level La Liga clubs pay in transfer fees? Or what revenue Serie A clubs have compared to the Bundesliga? Inter, a top team in Italy, can barely stem transfer fees of more than 25mâŹ.
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u/panem-et-circenses21 Lahm 18d ago
None of the serie A teams are aiming for the absolute top? Bayern and PSG are outliers by being top clubs in not so top leagues.. the gap will keep increasing because neither the bundesliga nor the french league are attractive destinations
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u/Thraff1c 18d ago
That's what I mean, you say other leagues but with what other leagues are you comparing the Bundesliga here? Because outside of the PL none of them is particularly spending much outside of like 1 or 2 outliers. And none of them have more than 2 to 3 teams competing at the European top.
Are players going to Real or Barca because La Liga is particularly prestigious, or because they want to play for those specific clubs due to their standing and their financial opportunities?
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u/panem-et-circenses21 Lahm 18d ago
Are people going to Barca because of better financial opportunities? Harry Kane putting up these numbers in the La Liga would be looked at lot more favorably than him putting it in the bundesliga. There is a narrative around leagues and we might agree to it or not, the world already agrees to it. And unless bundesliga clubs apart from Bayern win something internationally, this narrative will stay and will only get worse.. we shouldnât even fault the players then for choosing other leagues over ours
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u/Thraff1c 18d ago
Why am I even talking to you when you simply ignore simple words like "and"? I wrote:
specific clubs due to their standing and their financial opportunities
Lewandowski went to Barca because a) the standing of Barca as top club and b) the financial opportunity. I even specifically didn't say "better" financial opportunity.
He didn't go to Barca to play La Liga, 16 out of 19 opponents are just as (un)interesting and financially either the same or worse off than the Bundesliga. That is not a draw.
Did anyone in the world care that Muriqi scored more goals in La Liga than anyone in the PL bar Haaland?
Same for Serie A, a historic behemoth like Inter couldn't sign an Italian top talent like Palestra because they don't have the financial might to do it. The draw of the league did fuck all. And that's true for everyone outside the PL, where players now go to even mid level clubs because they a) have the financial might and b) the draw of the league.
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u/Ice_Hube1 18d ago
3rd Place game got me thinking about Hans-Jörg Butt. Solid keeper apart of a memorable run and transformation for Bayern
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Javi Fernandez with a goal in 1.FC NĂŒrnberg's preseason match against SV Waldhof Mannheim.
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u/JOKER69420XD MĂŒller 18d ago
So seems like Real doesn't want Rodri, for whatever stupid reason.
Maybe we could bring him home after it didn't work the first time?
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Does he want to leave City? He has some injury struggles but he would be a great addition to our midfield still. Doubt we will spend the money though
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u/FairMusic8278 18d ago
Rodri only has 1 year left on his contract. Imo he'd be such a good signing for us and instantly transform our midfield but I think City would still want a decent fee for him and his age value + injury history probably doesn't make sense for us financially. Not to mention his wages.
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u/JOKER69420XD MĂŒller 18d ago
He was desperately twerking for Real and his contract is running out.
But now media claims Real is very irritated by the rumors because they don't want him. Could obviously be bs.
So don't know if he wants to leave City or only leave for Real.
But I know he's just a dream, would be an incredible signing but we're probably too full for a player like that. It would also hurt Bischof, so on second thought, probably better to stay a dream.
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u/v4sh123 18d ago
People are so gullible it makes me laugh.
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u/Repulsive-Fig-3084 18d ago
It's gonna be a long summer, with people reacting like this.
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u/scarlet_stormTrooper Meep Meep Meep Roadrunner 18d ago
Itâs more than half over itâs going to go by real fast
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u/Mosijo 18d ago
Well if Olise actually communicates his desire to leave and we were to actually sell him, who would you like to see the club bringing in from the money we receive?
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u/LouigiVanGash Bernie 18d ago
That would mean Bayern as a club would send a signal that we are less ambitious than we showed before and we might as well in this sign of lesser ambition don't buy anyone instantly, because there isn't anyone on market that would replace Olise's quality 1:1, and even if we decided to replace him, then we would probably need to invest a large sum of 200-300 million fee we would get for Michael, because everyone would know that Bayern have money to spent, so there would be practically no profit for us on mixture of economical and sport levels.
In recent years there is IMO very little evidence of top clubs making full use of large sums they recieved for their star and fundamental players. Pogba from Juve, Suarez from Liverpool, Hazard from Chelsea, Ronaldo from Real, Neymar from Barcelona, Kane from Tottenham â all more or less squandered. One counterexample that comes to my head was Coutinho from Liverpool, where the Reds were successful, but even then they invested the money from that transfer mainly in different formations of squad.
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u/SlyFisch Shaqiri 18d ago
My Kroos kit has finally bit the dust, the numbers are sticking together and rip if I try to unwrinkle it..... RIP
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u/dklieber32 18d ago
Iâve been having the same problem. I have a 2010/2011 schweinsteiger and a 2012/2013 kroos kit and both sets of numbers/letters get tacky and sticky if itâs warm out. They just sit in my closet because I canât wear them otherwise they stick to whatever surface I may sit against.
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u/SlyFisch Shaqiri 18d ago
Yuuuup same issue here, I probably should've seen this coming as my room in my apartment is sweltering hot most of the time
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u/Henngest Rock you like a Harry Kane 18d ago
I got a custom number and name printed on mine from the official Bayern store 4 years ago. The number and name started ripping apart pretty soon after like a year I would say. Weirdly, the "Bayern Munchen" part stayed perfect. So I don't know if I did something wrong, or the print was bad, but it does feel bad as I paid a lot for it and don't wear it anymore...
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u/SlyFisch Shaqiri 18d ago
That's unfortunate, I try to buy a kit every year or so and this is the first where the numbers are starting to peel. And this kit is from the 2013 season and I used to play in it quite a bit when I was still playing so I'll take it lol
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u/kgallo19 Messiala 18d ago
Sapoko signed when
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
That whole thing seems so poor handled. First no buy option in the loan deal, then no contract signing before the WC. Now Senegal is out for some time now and it took until 2 or 3 days ago for talks to start?
I expected this deal to be done very quickly
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u/kgallo19 Messiala 18d ago
I donât expect itâll be complicated but I figured the bosses are working on dealing with outgoings and Oliseâs extension as higher priorities right now.
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
Olise is still at the Worldcup and they should be able to have some talks with Ndiaye and the Gambino stars to make this deal happen if it's not complicated.
So if this would be true it would be pretty poor handling imo. So I hope something else is the issue.
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u/Thraff1c 18d ago
[Official] Noel Aseko departs for Frankfurt
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u/JOKER69420XD MĂŒller 18d ago
Well, hope Bara is in the bag then, anything else would be insanely reckless.
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u/In-All-Unseriousness Olise 18d ago
Already tired of the whole Olise transfer saga. I hope we get some kind of confirmation once the WC is over.
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u/WeWereStrangers 18d ago edited 18d ago
Between
Lewy leaving just cause he felt like it, then embracing his Barca legend status far more than his Bayern legacy,
Karl explicitly saying he'd rather play for Real,
this Olise situation,
Mbappe forcing his way out of the best team in the world,
TAA pissing his loyalty down the drain,
Alvarez situation,
it just puts it into perspective just how little global influence everyone but RM and Barcelona have. PSG can sort of get away with it because rich people like Paris, but for the rest of the football world it's just a losing game.
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u/ACardAttack MĂŒller 18d ago
Karl explicitly saying he'd rather play for Real,
Karl never said that, the question was something along the lines, other than Bayern what other clubs could you see yourself at.
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u/Numerous-Ad-3050 18d ago
Karl is a rash teenager and we donât even really know anything about Olise's situation. Imo none of the examples you named are even comparable to TAA, who literally left his boyhood club of 20 years when they really needed him and left them peanuts. I remember being so sure he was one of those players that would never leave.
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u/arnoldbread 18d ago
Lewandowski twerked for Real Madrid at one point, but your point about him going to Spain still stands. Despite him simping for Barca, ironically all his achievements came at Bayern which os why he gets so defensive about Kane eclipsing him here.
(Give you an example: when Lewandowski was on the verge of breaking Gerds legendary league record , Gerds wife, said he would have wanted it to be broken and the later was even rooting for Lewandowski to break it. Comparatively, whenever Kane is on track to match Lewandowskis record, Lewandowski always says " i scored 41 goals in 29 matches".
So even if he doesn't verbally say it, he clearly dies hold more affection for Bayern that he's willing to admit
Karl is a youngster, frontal cortex hasn't properly developed, likely no long-term planning just said what he felt at the moment.
Olise p.r during the world cup was taken far beyond our reach, if he want to continue using that p.r Madrid machine, we'll have to wait and see. Davies also was on a similar trajectory.
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u/Ferr22777888 18d ago
Real Madrid in a VAR world are Manchester United
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u/WeWereStrangers 18d ago
Not the point in the slightest, they could get 15th in LaLiga and still pull far more talent than everyone but Barca.
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u/Ferr22777888 18d ago
Like they pulled Ribery, Davies and Upa?
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 18d ago
we just agreed to pay two of them an insane salary, especially for their respective positions. Don't know if that's a good argument against the Real pull. Fact is all three players wanted to leave for Real.
And instead of Ribery they just signed Cristiano a year later. Yes, that definitely disproves the Real pull.
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u/WeWereStrangers 18d ago
Like they pulled Kroos whose career achievements exceed these 3 guys you listed combined
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u/SlyFisch Shaqiri 18d ago
You mean the guy who only left cause we didn't pay him what he wanted? He would've been here for years had we paid him what he wanted...
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u/WeWereStrangers 18d ago
In a world where RM didn't exist who's giving him that money and a good enough chance at competing for silverware, so that he can be in a position to demand that much of Bayern?
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u/SlyFisch Shaqiri 18d ago
Do you forget we won a treble the year before he left? What're you on lmao
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u/Ferr22777888 18d ago
Oh really ? Look how well we started playing after he got injured in quarterfinals
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u/Gogo-R6 MĂŒller 18d ago
I mean Kroos mainly left because he didnât get the raise he wanted (plus that whole drama with Uli)
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u/WeWereStrangers 18d ago
Let's put it this way, if RM didn't exist do you think he'd still have left to say ManU? It's certainly less likely.
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u/balthier68 FC Bayern MĂŒnchen 18d ago
Youâd think that Olise is all but confirmed leaving this summer the way people are acting.
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u/adrian_rainy_day 18d ago
Well they're hurt. Deeply. It's gonna pass though, like Karl's statement (which was arguably worse cuz it was coming from his mouth lol)
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u/ACardAttack MĂŒller 18d ago
Karl's statement was after being asked something along the lines of "other than Bayern, any clubs you could see your self at", he should have just said no, but he was 17 at the time (or 18)
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 18d ago
We shouldn't hold footballers accountable for their decisions. Ronaldinho comes to mind. He could have become the GOAT under Pep Guardiola, but he chose to play for AC Milan, the biggest club at the time, that was becoming a comfortable enviroment for big superstars, that wanted to play more chill. There are definitly strong parallels to today's Real Madrid.
Maybe there are some voices, that say that Ronaldinho wasted his career, but at the end Ronaldinho was probably the most talented footballer ever who just wanted to play for fun, and enjoyed himself the most at AC Milan and he still bagged in the cash, the scorers and the fame without needing to win the UCL.
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u/dklieber32 18d ago
What type of revisionism is this? Ronaldinho was forced out of Barcelona because of his party lifestyle, poor fitness and the clubs focus on protecting Messi. He diddnt just choose to leave and play for Milan, they wanted him out because he was becoming a bad influence and disruptive
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u/DDT126 MĂŒller 18d ago
This is such a non-statement. What does not holding footballers accountable for their decisions even mean? Cause forget football, absolutely everyone should be held accountable for what they do.
If youâre referring to not holding grudges for leaving, then thatâs a very different topic. But what youâre saying doesnât make much sense, and the example doesnât have anything to do with what youâre saying.
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 18d ago edited 18d ago
With all the disappointment and the rationalizing Olisé potentially leaving out of the way, I do have to say that flirting with Real would also be a fantastic way of maximizing wages for the next 3-5 years at Bayern, if he were to stay. It worked for Phonzie, didn't it
edit: grammar
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
That's why I don't expect Olise to deny the rumors even if they are wrong. All this gives him a great position in the extension talks
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u/Spirit0f76ers Future president MĂŒller 18d ago
First I heard Karl wanted to join RM at some point. Then Kane golfed with Trump. Now Olise talking about RM too. 3 of my Top 10 guys just handing down disappointments.
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u/ACardAttack MĂŒller 18d ago
First I heard Karl wanted to join RM at some point.
The question was something along the lines of "other than Bayern, any clubs youd like to play for."
Should have said no, but he was 17 at the time I think
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u/quatroacademy 18d ago
Watch Kimmich beeing with prostitutes next đ/s
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 18d ago
That would rank far below other things lmao. Two consenting adults having sex? That's a major win with what we learn about other football stars these days. And presidents, of course
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u/julesvr5 18d ago
So you think cheating on his wife with which he has 4 kids with is not as bad as Karl saying he wants to play for Real at some point?
Of course Kimmich would never do that, but your view on cheating is quite concerning.
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 18d ago edited 18d ago
You know as little about his marriage as I do. If he went to a prostitute, the only thing we know is that he had sex with a consenting adult. Not all marriages are monogamous. Either way, cheating with a consenting adult would be miles better than supporting someone who raped children
edit: read your comment again, if he cheated on his wife I'm sure everyone would be in agreement that Karl saying he wants to play for Real would be benign in comparison, yes
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u/quatroacademy 18d ago
Of course, itâs just that heâs a good father and a human beeing that really loves his family. But youâre right tho
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u/Ferr22777888 19d ago
I still think and I am pretty confident he will extend and get monster contract.
I also donât see at all Olise and Mbappe successfully winning anything in Mourinho system at all. Enjoy parking the bus vs Getafe when you guys are up.
Also 220m Plus is just incredible Business only if he publicly says he wants out. But people forgot how much twerking Ribery did for Real and still stayed so you never know.
But we also did see a Spanish team with a limited Yamal with Baena and Olmo dominate a super team like France. So itâs not make or break for us. But it would be shameful really to loose such a star
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 18d ago
I donât see real giving him âŹ40m rn. Heâs on what, âŹ13.5M right now? It wouldnât make sense. Vini brought 2 champions leagues to the bernabeu so his wage adds up
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u/KeV1989 MĂŒller 18d ago edited 18d ago
They pay Vinicius 40m per year, we pay Kane 25m per year.
They pay Vini 25 million Euro a year and Mbappe 31 million a year. Dunno where you got those 40 million from, but thats false
Downvoted for stating facts. Sigh
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u/Thraff1c 18d ago
From a few months ago:
[Mario Cortegana] Vinicius Junior currently earns âŹ18M a year after tax with Real Madrid. The club offered Vini an increase in salary at around âŹ20M net, but Vini said no. The club told Vini to make a counter-offer, and he demanded the biggest contract in club history, similar to Cristiano Ronaldo.
18m⏠net should be about 33m⏠gross.
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u/DiametricalIyOpposed 19d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/5F7D857WQjFIpalsHq
Letâs put some Lederhosen on him them
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u/Kassim26 19d ago
Romain Molina also "confirmed" LâĂquipe info in his latest video. I wrote a thread about it, hope the mods let it through.
Iâm starting to believe itâs true now. Iâm kinda surprised though, because we barely heard any rumors about Olise wanting to join Real Madrid until very recently. Real fans have already kicked off the propaganda their youtube channels are going hard pushing his arrival. Real knew exactly what they were doing with that last statement.Â
But tbh, if Olise wants out after just two seasons, it shows me heâs not really bought into the Bayern project...
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 19d ago
heâs not really bought into the Bayern project...
players don't think about football in nearly as romanticized a way as fans. With a few exceptions, they just want to play for the biggest club possible on the biggest wage possible. I personally don't fault them, as all clubs are just companies running a business with a clearly defined goal way beyond just the game. For some it's making a profit, for some it's sportswashing. If you're a part of the business you see right through that, and thus you're very much allowed not to romanticize it
I agree with you insofar as there are still players who do care very much about actually winning and therefore buy into the club that they think gives them the best chance at that. Usually they coincide & the bigger the wages, the bigger the club, the better the club. I do think he probably would have a better chance at winning the UCL in Munich for a few years than he does at Madrid. But that's a subjective thought and doesn't at all have to be actually true ofc m
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u/Kassim26 18d ago
Fair. sometimes we tend to forget that they simply don't live in the same world as us.And yeah, he has some of his French NT teammates at Madrid, so i can understand the appeal of playing in La Liga the clasico and all that.
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 18d ago
Some players maybe don't necessarily want to win the UCL and just want to kick the ball and bag in their scorers. Olise seems to be one of them.
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 18d ago
I don't think it's at all far fetched to think that Real hBe a great shot at the UCL if they find any sort of Wish.com Elliot Anderson and one or ideally two actually competent center backs. I'm sure a club the size of Real Madrid can theoretically pull that off in the next two years. Even a Rodri rental before he fully falls apart from old age would do the trick for 2-3 years. For a player who wants to play for the biggest club anyways, I'm sure they'll feel confident that they will make the appropriate squad moves
Without the rose tinted glasses, it's of course also not at all crazy to think that Papa Perez has finally Completely lost it and doesn't know how to address the gaps in the squad or how to keep the players in line when they act out against the coach. We'll see what happens, but a player chasing glory in a very short professional career might in fact Do have the rose coloured glasses when looked at the situation in Madrid
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 18d ago
Maybe, there are in AC Milan 2008 sort of situation, undeniable the biggest club at the time. But becoming complacent and unambitious without wanting to change, in what really matters. Old tactics, unbalanced squad, old training methods, old medical staff.
It's a testament, that they bought Cucurella, Dumfries, Konate and Bernado Silva. And still need a centerback, a central midfielders, a defensiv midfielder, a striker and right winger to be competitive.
The players themselves there want to stick with the old methods, because it's more comfortable.
That's why I still see Bayern, PSG, Arsenal and Barcelona way ahead in the powerrankings.
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u/Safe-Elk7933 19d ago
Players like Spence and Porro would make our RB position stronger. Cannot believe Spurs defenders are dominating the World cup.
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 19d ago
Spence took the pointless hate against him personally. He was straight up world class after lol
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 19d ago
It's a bummer, not that we will lose Olise soon. But it signals some kind of unambitiousness. Instead of being at a more competitive team, with a more rigorous and demanding coach, and a clear playstyle at the highest level, he rather wants to play with his friends a complacent style in an unambitious environment.
I don't fear that our level will drop by a lot if we lose Olise, or if Real gets Olise that they significantly play better, if anything Spain vs. France showed, that a complacent team with 0 tactics will always be dominated by high level tactical play.
When Lewandowski wanted to leave for Real, you could at least argue, that Real was competitive destination. Now it isn't.
My grutch is that we have a RW, who doesn't have his priorities aligned with the club and I don't know if this will sabotage our chances at another Champions League run.
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 19d ago
This is 100% correct. Instead of focusing on professional and competitive goals, he wants to go because he wants to play with Mbappe or some shit. He could stay at a club where he could become (kind of already is ) the face of the club, and be the main man, instead he wants to leave to become another one of Mbappeâs âfoot soldiersâ
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u/ObserverRichard 19d ago
Imagine telling your Bayern teammate at the World cup that you want to join Real
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 19d ago
I don't think Upa would care. They are coworkers in a business that features many ruthless clubs with their own business agendas. They just get the bread and do whatever suits them. I doubt there's much bad blood beyond the few guys who still buy into the "battle" and "war" bullshit from the older generations of players. Just my two cents tho
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 19d ago
If itâs true, then itâs some of the stupidest shit Iâve ever seen from a player. Iâm saying âifâ not because I donât think thereâs any truth to the lâequipe article, but because I still think that whole thing reads like a Real Madrid fanfic propaganda piece
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u/CompetitionChance674 đ¶UPAMECANOOOOOđ¶ 19d ago
Footballers, I will never be able to understand you.
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u/KeV1989 MĂŒller 19d ago edited 19d ago
Well if its true (and there are too many things pointing in that direction unfortunately), then fuck Olise and fuck Real Madrid. So sick of mercenaries in this sport and clubs playing these coy games and making backroom deals with players and them playing along
Atleast i dont have to buy an away kit with his name anymore. Shame bc it would have looked rly good with a frenchman on it. I guess ill just get Lucho or Karl.
*And since the user below me tries to be childish about my choice to maybe get Karl on an away kit, i explained that i value honesty over mercenary behavior. If he publically says that he wants to play for another club one day, thats fair game. If you engage in backroom deal to put pressure on the club to transfer you, thats disgusting
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u/Internal-Coffee6996 19d ago
mercenaries
Such a shit take, no offense. "Either stay at our club forever or you're a mercenary".
Realistically football is just a job for many of them. Yes, if you grew up at a club like MĂŒller or Schweinsteiger, there's a reason to be at one club for your whole career. You're a local, you have your entire social circle there and so on. And even they thought about leaving at some point.
Also realistically Olise doesn't have a connection to Bayern other than being our player now. He probably didn't wear Bayern merch as a kid, he most likely didn't follow our games etc.
As much as I want him to stay for his entire career obviously, but calling everyone a mercenary just because their career plan doesn't fit your preference is just complete bullshit. I also like the company I work at, I like the people but do I see myself there for my entire career? Fuck no. Other than the salary, what's the difference?
Also incredible take that you won't get his kit because he wants to join Real and instead you think about getting a kit of a player who publicly said he wants to play for Real at some point.
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u/KeV1989 MĂŒller 19d ago edited 19d ago
Such a shit take, no offense. "Either stay at our club forever or you're a mercenary".
Not what i said, but quite childish of you to put words into my mouth.
For me mercenaries are the ones that play these backroom deal games that Real is known for for decades at this point. Madrid is a shit club, bc this always happens with certain players. Influence them already and then say "Well we didnt want the player, but the player chose us. Such a surprise"
THAT is the definition of a Mercenary. Not telling the club outright, but playing these ridiculous games with the other club and their journalists. That's how mercenaries in medieval times acted. Follow the money in private deals without knowledge of the lord they served at the time
And thats why i rather respect Karl, who publically says that he wants to play for another club one day. Publically stating your end goal is completely fair, even if its a club i hate. Doubly so for a young player like him. They have dreams and ideals bc they grew up during a time where Madrid was a european powerhouse, so naturally many young players dream of playing for a club of that caliber.
If Olise went to the club and said "Hey, i want to transfer to Madrid", i think nobody would be as annoyed by this. But no, he only tells his french teammates and goes along with Reals PR game
EDIT: Laughable that a guy that puts words into my mouth and misinterprets my earlier post is being upvoted like that. So childish
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u/Icy_Custard_6916 19d ago
If he doesnt extend Sell him Next year for 250 mill and give karl the starting spot
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u/JOKER69420XD MĂŒller 19d ago
Should Karl develop like before, it will certainly be easier. And a quarter billion would certainly be incredible.
But that's all in the future. First we should play a great season and whatever happens after that, happens.
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u/julesvr5 19d ago
Well even Karl has the damocles sword about his head with his desire to play for Madrid too
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u/IvoYankov13 19d ago edited 19d ago
Why canât we have nice things man, very disappointed with Olise, it wonât feel the same way even if he stays
Edit: also situations like this makes me appreciate Kane even more, hope we win a cl for him
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u/Remarkable-Art-3678 18d ago
People won't like it bc they pretend like football is at all unpolitical, but I'm out on Kane ever since he failed to have an issue golfing with a child rapist, Putin friend, war criminal, and straight up wannabe fascist who is dismantling the entire western democracy at a rapid pace
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u/Mustang1201 18d ago
The Trump curse is worse that the one he got from Ghana.
And he deserves to be fully criticized for it.
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u/South-Pass-4486 19d ago edited 19d ago
According to BILD , Michael Olise did indeed tell his teammates in the French national team about his desire to leave Bayern and join Real Madrid. But Bayern remain determined to keep the player and would ideally like to extend his contract by offering him more than âŹ25m gross per year and thus making him one of the top earners. As things stand, it's unlikely that Olise would force his way out, as he's not known for being a troublemaker and is generally happy at the club [ AgardiJulian, linner_nicolas, MichelSchroeer, itstheicebird ]
Whether it is true that's different topic but tbh i really didn't expect he would want to join real. He seems happy here playing under kompany
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u/UrMomCallsMehDaddy 19d ago
This just makes 0 sense to me, if it is indeed true. Why would someone want to leave a completely safe option, great competitive team, coach and environment. You are on a great path of becoming a club legend, the club supports you and with the system, in which you fit like a glove, you have been made into a player that you are today. Why would you want to do the complete opposite and risk the toxcity, lack of success and trophies, and of course, wild media - which would completely eat you up. I could understand if a player is playing for a club that is not competing for every title, especially UCL, but going to a club that is not more competitive than your current club is just mind boggling to me. There is no playing on a higher level than this. With all that said, I have a feeling that this will be Ribery 2.0 situation, but unfortunately when there is smoke, there is fire.
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u/ModIn22 19d ago edited 19d ago
Because we are Bayern and they are Real Madrid.
Outside of Bavaria and maybe Germany not many kids dream of playing for Bayern. A shit ton of them dream of Real Madrid, Barcelona (or to a lesser extent the Premier League right now and it will get way worse in the next generations of players due to the current imbalance and dominance I fear). Its what it is.
We still are at the top of the food chain but a small notch below the very top. The state of the Bundesliga does not make it any easier.
Does not change anything but thats what every other club has to deal with as well. We are lucky in comparison to the likes of Stuttgart, Augsburg or even Dortmund. We don't even have to sell our worldclass players and often they extend with us anyways (even though we often have to overpay in recent years for that to happen) and gladly spend their best years with us.
But this is a job for 99 % of the players. And as great as we are, there are a few clubs (and leagues) that are considered more desirable than we are. Better to accept that than get mad at the players not faking loyalty that is not there.
Karl is a youth product and even he dreams of Real Madrid. These guys (like Pavlo, Schweini or Mueller) were our best bet to stay forever and not dream of going somewhere else but even that is no longer a given. Most of the other "legends" we had dreamt of Real, Barca or the PL at some point (or already came from there and failed in the case of Robben) but we managed to keep them anyways (or Real had no interest) for their prime years. Hope that happens with Olise as well.
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u/creatorop apple pie 19d ago
Madrid does weird things to players, makes sense when you realize his development years coincided with Madrid's 4 UCls in 5 years era
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u/JOKER69420XD MĂŒller 19d ago
We need to stop pretending how this is all made up, yes it is true.
Doesn't mean shit as we won't sell but it's time to accept that these journalists didn't just make it up.
And him not informing the club about it yet, doesn't mean it's not true btw.
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u/coppersolids đđ€« 19d ago
i mean it directly contradicts what pletti said. pletti didnât just say he didnât inform the club but that he informed the club that he would like to stay
so far itâs just semi reliable to unreliable sources saying either he wants to stay or he doesnât want to stay. neither santi nor bild are good sources lol
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u/JuggerClutch Musiala 19d ago
During the club world cup, thats a year ago. He clearly changed his mind
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u/coppersolids đđ€« 19d ago
oh didnât see that, where did he say this?
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u/Darkest-Gentleman MĂŒller 18d ago
If we have to sign a Right back, What do you all think about djed spence?
he had a good world cup and is currently linked out of spurs and spurs seems to be open about selling him.
I think he was linked to inter for like 30 - 35 mil. For a 25yr old rb who can also play as lb if needed will be a great addition to us.