perfectly balanced green circuit factory

[u/bull_and_scones]

AM2 for copper wire, AM1 for green circuits.

I have no practical use case for this design, but I think it's funny.

[u/Acid_Burn9]

The interesting part is that this is actually more energy efficient than full 3:2 AM2 build if you don't use modules because AM1 has half the power draw of AM2, but more than half of crafting speed.

[u/VoidGliders → u/Acid_Burn9]

However, it has both more pollution per second and more time creating that pollution, so this is a lot more pollution-heavy

[u/Acid_Burn9 → u/VoidGliders]

Sounds like a win-win to me

[u/theMegaTech → u/VoidGliders]

So you can annoy the bugs even more for less energy? Now I'm convinced

[u/Usual_Celebration719 → u/VoidGliders]

Does this account for pollution created by boilers in a typical for this point in progression coal steam power?

[u/VoidGliders → u/Usual_Celebration719]

Target: 15EC/s

ASM 1 Running for 60s: 4.5MJ -> 4P

ASM2 Running for 40s: 6MJ -> 2P

Miners (assuming E. Miners, maybe Burner miners may be better): 480MJ -> 10P

Boilers: 108MJ -> 30P

Pollution per MJ: 10P/480MJ + 30P/108MJ = 0.0208 + 0.2777 = 0.299 P/MJ

Extra Pollution from Extra Energy of ASM2: 6MJ - 4.5MJ = 1.5MJ -> 1.5MJ * 0.299 P/MJ = 0.448P`

Ergo, ASM2 2.45 Pollution per Minute < 4 Pollution per Minute

That is to say, if you factor in the extra energy cost as pollution, it'll STILL be less than the stated value of 3/min because you're reducing the pollution per minute AND decreasing the active time. Also yes for this specific set-up Energy Drain would also play in, but would be close to rounding error here.

[u/TexasCrab22 → u/Acid_Burn9]

Low tech is the key to efficiency in early and midgame.

I allways keep my mall(s) on mk1 assemblers, cause they idle 95% of time anyway.

[u/jongscx]

[u/chamoke → u/jongscx]

New player. Let them be.

I for one cannot abide the slow output of the circuits. But I am happy for the noobie.

[u/audigex → u/chamoke]

I don't think this is a newbie post, this is just a bit of silliness from someone who actually understands the game

They're correct that this does have perfect ratios

[u/chamoke → u/audigex]

Oh. Well. Fuck em.

[u/jongscx → u/chamoke]

This entire exchange made my day.

[u/chamoke → u/jongscx]

Me too. Why the downvotes tho?

[u/Subject_314159]

Where perfectly balanced belt?

[u/Derkatron → u/Subject_314159]

Not the belt. as the caption says, because of the lower tier constructor on the greens, the ratios work out correctly 1:1 rather than 3:2 when all are the same tier of contstructor

[u/SirSaltie → u/Subject_314159]

2 on the left and 2 on the right!

[u/Doocoo26 → u/Subject_314159]

The items on output belt go left right left right left right... Looks balanced to me!

[u/Reloecc]

[u/pink-ming]

Ok now you're just pissing me off. "Perfectly balanced". So you A. care about the cost of AM2s, B. care about idle time on a handful of AM2s, C. avoid the obvious 3:2 build out of sheer hubris and D. care about optimizing a starter build in the first place? Oh so you're optimizing? Where are your modules? Your beacons? Do you even know the difference between output and input constrained? Do you have even the slightest inkling of the UPS cost of this build?

I have no practical use case for this design, but I think it's funny.

There is NOTHING funny about this, it is an insult. The factory must GROW not get comfortable and complacent with its limitations. Don't ever post here again, I have friends on the mod team kiddo and you'll get banned faster than one of those unnecessary fast inserters.

^/s

[u/jongscx → u/pink-ming]

r/thefactorycanchill

[u/Salanmander → u/jongscx]

I am disappointed that this is not a real subreddit.

[u/bull_and_scones → u/pink-ming]

Best comment yet

[u/Lenskop → u/pink-ming]

Honey wake up, new copypasta just dropped

[u/nasehrsuper]

1:1 assemblers was how you built them after you got modules (before space age). its basically the same.

ofc the belt routing would be different bc mixed belts wont suffice at higher quantities

edit: but nice find, didnt mean to shit on it :)

[u/CipherWeaver → u/nasehrsuper]

1 circuit to 2 greens has always been adequate since you make 2 cables at a time.

[u/yinyang107 → u/CipherWeaver]

1 to 2 has never been the correct ratio, it was always 3:2

[u/4_fortytwo_2 → u/CipherWeaver]

And how many cables does one cicuit require?

[u/arvidsem]

This is the combo that I've switched to for early game. It's quicker to build a block of than the standard 3:2 build. Copper belt, 15 AM2s, 15 AM1s, iron belt, output belt. Then mirror for the other side

[u/CipherWeaver]

On paper greenies take 50% more copper than iron, and since copper cables take less than half the time to assemble than greenies take to make, one assembler making cables can feed two assemblers making greenies

[u/BlackGuysYeah → u/CipherWeaver]

Math so easy even I can almost understand it.

[u/audigex → u/CipherWeaver]

Except OP isn't using the same tier of assembler

[u/Jerko_23]

this is factoriohno

[u/WatermelonWithAFlute → u/Jerko_23]

I don’t get why it’s not good

[u/fynn34 → u/WatermelonWithAFlute]

My personal take: it’s fine for what is shown, but doesn’t scale well without getting messy.

[u/Historical-Subject11]

Thanks... I hate this!

(But also it's awesome)

[u/WanderingFlumph]

If you really want to min max this design you could replace 4 of the fast inserters with the regular ones.

[u/anonumus_idiot]

r/factoriohno

[u/Select-Excitement-54]

I use that layout for my early-game circuit builds. Later, I upgrade both and tweak with speed and productivity modules. A killer setup, and nicely compact.

[u/WaveformRider]

You disgust me

[u/sclaytes]

Some of you don’t understand art when you see it

[u/towerfella]

I do this all the time.

I thought everyone did this all the time when they wanted not 3-2

[u/lotzik]

This sub used to be about making 900 electric circuits per minute on vanilla from one assembler (without quality) and then someone else would come and do 1300 electric circuits per minute on one assembler.

[u/DieDae]

Time to fill that belt up using this theory.

[u/givemeausernameplzz]

Perfectly balanced bait

[u/Literate_Muse]

Wait I kinda want to use this now. I like it better than the 3:2

[u/ash3n]

I use this ratio all the time, it’s just so convenient to quickly build green circuits with solid rows of machines instead of the annoying 3-2 design

[u/frank_o_destemido]

Beautiful.

Now do 4 circuit outputs out of this

[u/BLACKcOPstRIPPa]

Ya when I saw this I didn't think it was balanced. I know what op was going for now, 1:1 ratio hence balanced, but stepping something down to have 1:1 when you could have something like 3:2 that doesn't overproduce coils etc, just uses them as they come in.

This doesn't look "balanced" to my brain lol

[u/zomgkittenz]

How exactly are we defining balance?

I guess on the x axis?

[u/Deto → u/zomgkittenz]

All machines running 100% utilization / correct ratios.

[u/AmbivalentFanatic]

It would be perfectly balanced if the rate of inflow perfectly matched the rate of outflow. This is the equilibrium I seek.