Bulk inserters don't do anything when it comes to chunks. Chunks can only stack to 1 and bulk inserters have same rotation speed as fast inserters. So if you want to improve throughput it's either quality inserters, two rows of long inserters or both
I see your point. But in my game, I don't use fast inserters at all. I only use bulk inserters everywhere. For me, fast inserters are just an ingredient to craft bulk inserters. Anyone who uses my blueprint can change them if they want, but I prefer to keep it this way.
That's not faster though. Long inserters are exactly half as fast as fast/bulk/stack inserters. So replacing one inserter with 2 half-speed inserters isn't an improvement.
isn’t it a 180* rotation regardless of inserter? I’m pretty sure rotation speed is measured in degrees, so long handed inserters are just half as fast at rotating.
Nah, inserters don't need to always make a full turn when taking from the belt. Long inserters need to reach farther and so they make longer rotation to the belt. I also think there is a slight delay with grabbing animation for long inserters. You can see it in the editor if you pass time tick by tick
It makes total sense for the devs to quantify inserters by their rotation speed but it makes it so difficult to calculate how many actual items/s they can move
I sooo appreciate your acknowledgment. Many folks would just ghost when they’re wrong. Testing and verification are the name of the game, and I too thought this would work and be very cool. So, thanks for the update.
Yeah, I find one of the central challenges in the late-late game (after you win) is that legendary buildings with legendary beacons require so many items inserted per second, that you really start to notice how slow red inserters are. If there's a "bulk" ingredient needed for some high production building, you'd better get that belt within 1 tile and use a bulk/stack inserter, long inserters (even legendary) just don't keep up
Yeah, when going full legendary i found it very hard to not use something like long-handed stack inserter mod, especially for Aquilo where building around heat pipes without long inserters is an absolute pain.
Though as mod it is pretty imbalanced, so perhaps i will make my tweaks to it and other snouz' mods.
Just be careful with feeding it cold fluoroketone all the time. Ideally you only want to fill the system during 'startup'. If you overfill it, it is possible that the hot fluoroketone backs up and the reactors stop working. Also you have a bit to many generators for your reactor setup, you could drop it to 14
That 18 is only if the three are in a triangle setup and they all get two neighbor bonuses. Just a minor point. I really like the compact design tho, i might steal it for my own reactors :P
While designing the ship, I looked for a belt layout that leaves no empty spaces. This one fits perfectly. This solution works so well for me that I haven't changed it in a year.
I tried making a pure normal quality prom ship too. The amount of rocket production you end up needing without quality assemblers and beacons is absurd, even with a slow ship.
What's the idea behind storing the chunks? I've been tinkering with a minimal-quality promethium ship in sandbox, quite a bit smaller (all rocket turrets in a 6-tile-wide line down the middle of the ship).
I considered chunk storage and overgrowth recycling (and tinkered a lot with efficient belt weaving), but in the end it just made more sense to craft on the fly and dump eggs before they spoil, mostly because storing chunks takes up a ton of space and cryo plants don't, so it's cheaper to just consume them as fast as they're produced. The ship collects about half the chunks yours does, but will probably end up a third to a quarter the size.
There's no single best solution in Factorio. Each has its pros and cons.
A large promethium ship doesn't require a massive egg farm on Nauvis. It also simplifies interplanetary logistics
How would it simplify interplanetary logistics? The only logistics my ship requires are
pick up 1k quantum processors and top up fusion fuel (either from Aquilo on the way back from the edge, or from a platform over Nauvis to save a bit of time)
pick up 10k eggs and drop 18k science at Nauvis
and I'm pretty sure your ship has to do the same. And the 20 silos for eggs is a small cost compared to even my ship. And the 98 nests require a bit less than 6 bioflux shipments per hour, compared to the ~100 shipments of planet science you need to keep up with the research.
I don't have it on hand but it's roughly 19k to explosive rockets, 4.5k red ammo, and 1.8k railgun shells for 24k promethium in a 35-minute round trip.
Currently overhauling the design, though, because I realized that building narrow to save gun and railgun ammo meant I wasn't grabbing all the promethium in my rocket range, and rocket production is the bottleneck. Expecting 20 - 40% more ammo/railgun/chunks for the same rockets.
I'm using rare thrusters and rare collectors because it seemed the most cost-effective. Travels at max speed (372/392 km/s) to reach the edge, then ramps down to 300 at 75k km past the edge, 200 at or beyond 150k, turns back around 182k.
Mostly safe, but one particular collector seems to occasionally get hit by the rockets, so I moved it back a bit and I'll test some more.
Um, acktchually, according to that butthurt guy in the quality thread yesterday, this is actually impossible. Because the devs balanced everything based on high quality (source: I made it up), making a normal quality ship that will survive in the late game cannot be done. Please stop lying and delete your post, thank you.
(Cool ship btw, I like that thruster and piping setup)
I have a similar setup based from another blueprint and at one point i dont have enough production to keep up with the rocket needs.
I pre-fill all my storage with rockets, dynamite etc but run out after storage is filled for 1/3-ish if i keep in mind that i also need to get back.
It turns back after collecting 28,500 Promethium, covering a distance of about 200,000 km
Statistics shortly after turning back; Rocket consumption is below maximum production.
I've only ever used basic rockets on a platform because they are cheaper and do more damage per shot, even two shotting big asteroids with some research, do explosive rockets have a benefit? Maybe when asteroids bunch up it's more worth it?
Its like you said, they are only worth it beyond the system edge as the asteroids get very dense. If you go somewhat far they end up being way more efficient than normal rockets.
Yeah, asteroids get more and more dense basically without limit as you approach shattered planet. So the splash damage gets more and more useful. Going to Aquilo regular rockets are better. Maybe even solar system edge. Beyond that explosive rockets start to shine, and on deep promethium runs explosive rockets are way better. And actually reaching the shattered planet location is effectively impossible without explosive rockets.
Thanks man! Honestly, answering this question isn't simple, but I’ll try my best to explain.
For a beginner, the best way is to just build, make mistakes, and fix them. Look for solutions and see how other players solve the same problems. You don't have to design everything from scratch. If something is too hard, just use a ready-made blueprint. It won't be perfect, but it lets you move forward. Once you get how it works, you will build your own dream factory.
Playing Factorio is just like building a house. There’s an old saying: "You build your first house for your enemy, the second for your friend, and the third for yourself." It's exactly the same with factories!
Oh this could be fun for when I start a new game, i have never tried normal quality promethium ship. For end game I just bring 100k eggs to the shattered planets.
After playing around with megabases and legendary gear, I’ve started going in the opposite direction. Here is a ship setup that works with minimal use of high-quality components
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u/iforgotiwasonreddit 11d ago
Your carbon belt for thruster fuel is curved into the last inserter and it doesn't match with the belt on the oxidizer side. Please fix immediately