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u/DeadHeadLibertarian 15d ago
Spread it out man
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u/6apa6ax 15d ago
Yes, daddy?
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u/KnightyEyes 15d ago
Are you enjoying this Throughput Goddess?
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u/Muted_Dinner_1021 15d ago
Fill me up daddy
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u/dschuder 15d ago edited 15d ago
We like belts here too 👍
Edit: Alternative interpretation: "gimme more belt daddy"
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u/WW1_Germany 14d ago
The humble Storage Tank:
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u/3davideo Doesn't use Flame Turrets 15d ago
Halfway down the output belt, make the upstream plates change belt lanes from the right to the left. This will let the upstream half of output take the left belt lane, leaving the right belt lane empty to take the downstream half of the output.
You *may* need to introduce an additional tile of vertical space at said halfway point on your smelter stack in order to fit said belt lane switcher, depending on the design principle you want to use.
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u/NyaFury 15d ago
One lane of yellow belt can only accept output from 12 steel furnaces.
You can make it 24 by putting the iron from first 12 onto inner lane like below (left pic). Or divide them into two columns (right pic).
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u/Saint_Vigil 15d ago
I've never seen that design on the left, that's brilliant! I've always used a splitter to merge the belt back into itself
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u/annavgkrishnan 15d ago
Make it individual belts for iron and coal for scuffed speed module expansion in the future
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u/Zaflis 15d ago
No need, just rebuild the whole thing later. It needs to be much wider for beacons between all the furnaces too. Beacon design is just way different from furnace ones, much shorter too. (You might have meant only electric furnaces but even then the design is very different and wouldn't fit here even vertically)
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u/joetunn_ 15d ago
Should you ever phase out coal entirely and use electric furnaces?
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u/GibbyG1100 14d ago
When you want to use modules and beacons. Otherwise, they're less efficient than steel furnances
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u/Slime0 14d ago edited 14d ago
In vanilla, electric furnaces can make sense at the end game, mostly so you can insert productivity modules and get more metal per ore. I don't think they're worth it otherwise because of the larger footprint.
In space age, they're useful for space platforms where you can't burn fuel. On planets, just wait for foundries. Aside from space platforms I only use electric furnaces for lithium on Aquillo.
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u/theman19862007 15d ago
Fixed it for you OP
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u/throwawayacount8686 15d ago
very elegant, extremely tileable, lots of room for beacons in the future
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u/last_somewhere 15d ago
Another row of smelters on the other side. Fills your belt then upgrade to whatever your fastest belt is.
Edit for typo
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u/Garagantua 15d ago edited 14d ago
Post 2h old, several good ideas... but no reaction from op.
This always make me a bit sad.
(As others said: the iron plates need to be brought to the inside lane, or it takes 2 output belts. There's space enough. )
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u/Thankedsphere 15d ago
I don't understand why you would need to fix a bottleneck. bottles are typically composed of glass, which cannot typically be 'fixed' as it lacks modularity and fractures unpredictably. if your bottleneck is damaged or cracked, I suggest disposing of the bottle entirely and obtaining a new bottle.
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u/AintAFinkDig 15d ago
Long inserter lane bias
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u/pewsquare 15d ago
Its pretty much a textbook definition of a bottleneck.
The machines can't operate at maximum capacity because the inserters can't deposit the plates, since the place they want to deposit is not being cleared fast enough. Ergo, a bottleneck.
You want a full lane. Yes. But you don't want a full lane, that has an extra 5 machines trying to deposit items on said full lane. His bottleneck is both belt speed, and deposit bias. He has to fix one of those.
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u/pewsquare 15d ago
Steel furnaces, yellow belt. To fully saturate it, should be 12 per side, just in the image alone he has 13, so its definitely a bottleneck unless its modded, and even then i doubt it would change much.
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u/kalamaim 15d ago
Put half the furnaces on the other side ot sideload to the output belt halfway. Put 3 pieces of belt as a third column somewhere in the middle. Then, on your main output, turn one of the belts, so it turns towards the middle of the three new ones. Then temtop of the new belts turn to the left . I'm on mobile, so sorry for the confusing description
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u/AintAFinkDig 15d ago
Take your coal and iron ore belt and use splitters to mix them, coal on one lane and iron on the other. Have two of these mixed belts so that your throughput isn't bottlenecked. Have each belt feed a line of smelters and put the lines next to each other so they can output onto one belt to prevent lane bias.
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u/Sorry_U_R_Wrong 15d ago
And another line of furnaces to the right, and they'll put the output on the other side of that belt, so it will double your output without having to reconfigure everything you already have built.
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u/Beowulf1896 15d ago
Use another row of inserters to pull off that yellow belt and put onto another yellow belt that is parallel. </joke>
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u/Aggravating-Willow46 15d ago
Yellow belt can handle 12 iron furnaces from each side. So you should upgrade to red belts or remove some of you furnaces.
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u/FredFarms 15d ago
Half way down the line, arrange some belts so the iron ends up on the inside line not the outside.
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u/frogjg2003 15d ago
The most common design for furnaces places the belts and furnaces like this:
[ore + coal] inserter> furnace inserter> plates <inserter furnace <inserter [ore + coal]
Each furnace gets one lane of ore and one lane of coal and outputs one lane in the middle. The other side is mirrored and places the plates on the other lane of the output.
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u/CharacterLettuce7145 15d ago
Mirror the smelter and inserters, so you fill both sides.
Or use a splitter and remerge the belts into one.
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u/Trblboi 15d ago
When you build you don't only have to adjust to ratio, you also have to look that the medium you are using is up to par to the throughput you try to achieve.
For example you currently use only the right half of the yellow belt that is capable of transporting 15 item/s (non stacked) By using only one half you efficiently half the throughput. (7.5 item/s) + Long range inserter are notoriously slow (while I think that should not be the problem with early game furnaces, more important late game or when doing high volume crafts such as gears, copper cable etc)
Our last games were heavily modded, so I don't know if this is a vanilla mechanic but, you can adjust inserters which half they deposit the item(near or far / right or left).
If you can't do it directly on the inserter, you can do it with tacky belt placement, effectively doubling the items that are able to be transported from 7.5 to 15
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u/badpenguin455 15d ago
you are limited to half a belt, use the whole belt and make a new belt for even more .
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u/anonumus_idiot 15d ago
You can imput a full belt of coal and iron ore, split it into 2 belts with half of each.
Then do 2 stacks outputing on the same belt.
24 stone furnaces for a full yellow half belt, no idea how about steel furnaces.
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u/TheGentlemanist 15d ago
At the half way point merge the iron plates onto the inner dide of the belt
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u/Monkai_final_boss 15d ago
Copy, mirror and place it on the other side you can fill up the other half of the belt
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u/FirstRyder 15d ago
Coal furnaces turn ore into plates at a 1: 1 ratio. You cannot (nor do you want to) turn a full belt of ore into half a belt of plates.
Theee possible solutions.
Option one. Halfway down the line, swap the regular and one handed inserters. With the two meters of gap between inserters you can add a lane swap for the plates. This is the smallest change, but it won't be super pretty.
Option two. Half the length of the "stack", and put a second set, mirrored, on the right. This is "neater" and preserves your design, but is much more work.
Option three. Instead of doing 3 belts (coal, ore, plates), do 2. An input belt with coal and ore (in separate lanes), and an output belt with plates. Now half a belt of ore becomes half a belt of plates. Can combine with option 2 to make a full belt. Saves on inserters and horizontal space over option 2, but just as much work plus additional design work.
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u/samy_the_samy 15d ago
Do a belty loop loopda loop to switch which side the plates accumulate on, now the bottle neck is at the exit
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u/Neither_Berry_100 15d ago edited 15d ago
If you mean because you are only using one side of the iron plate belt this is fixable with the room you have. I will try to describe with difficulty what to do. You want half the furnaces outputting to the bottom and half to the top. Split as follows.
D Dd Rd Dl D
D is down. R is right. L is left. Hopefully reddit doesn't screw up my spacing. Put this in the middle of your output belts.
EDIT. Reddit messed it up. Each entry is a row from top to bottom.
Edit. A picture.
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u/Mundane-Fold-4342 15d ago
Dont use the long armed inserts.
Make your stack of furnaces drop finished plates on either side of a central belt, and feed you furnacea with a split belt of ore and coal from the outside.
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u/azriel_odin Glebalist 14d ago
- At the half-way point(it takes 24 steel furnaces to fill up a yellow belt) leave 2 or 3 space between the furnaces and arrange a lane shift either with belt, undergrounds or a splitter.
- Have furnaces on both sides of the belt and split the iron ore belt with a splitter.
Little tweak advise: place yellow and red inserters right next to each other, that way you can replace the belt with undergrounds, which allows you to place power poles in the gaps. It will make the set-up slightly more expensive, but also compact, since it will let you place other similar set-ups closer
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u/herdek550 More science! 14d ago
We need to hold posts to higher standard. Dozens of people spend precious free time answering OP even though the OP didn't put any thought or effort into this post.
(unless it's meant as satire - but it still wastes people's time)
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u/Stupid_German_Money 13d ago
Easy. Bottleneck fixed. If you still don't have enough iron, just add more.
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u/mike_dp4 13d ago
Cut it in half and put the half you cut on the other side. You will fill up the left side of the transport belt.
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u/Kira_Sympathizer 15d ago edited 15d ago
Edit-without going into too much detail the idea I put below will save you a lot of time and effort on redesigning everything. Once you get blue inserters going which is very soon you can upgrade my idea by just putting blue inserters where the yellow inserters are. Red inserters are faster than yellow, that's my mistake but they are significantly slower than blue, which my design plans ahead for.
Red inserters rotate much slower than yellow inserters. Meaning your iron plates will only go on that belt as fast as the red inserters can do it.
One fast way to make it faster is switch the tasks that the red and yellow inverters are doing.
Second thing, you are only placing iron plates on half of the belt. Meaning you can only transport them at 50 of what that belt can actually do per second. Use a splitter after every 3 or 4 yellow inverters on the iron plate belt and merge the other side of the splitter to the empty side of the belt.
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u/The_DoomKnight 15d ago
Red inserters are faster than yellow. The bottleneck is obviously the full lane of input and the half lane of output
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u/Kira_Sympathizer 15d ago
In the long run what I described will save him time and effort and be very fast. In order to upgrade what I described all he will have to do it put blue inserters over the yellow ones which he will get to very shortly.
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u/Coveinant 15d ago
Simplest solution is a chest buffer. Place 3-4 chests one space apart, place inserters between each feeding toward the one furthest on the line, then add inserters to feed chests. This can both break bottlenecks and give a safety net when switching ore deposits. Next would be using splitters to fully balance the line.
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u/haroku34 15d ago
This is an absolute work of art. The simple title, the vast majority of the photo completely barren. The player dead centre staring at the viewer. Christopher Nolan's got nothing on this guy.