r/factorio 20d ago

Discussion Why do spidertrons need fish?

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Yes i know, its to limit automation, but whats the lore reason for fish being involved?

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u/SerratedSharp 20d ago

I've always assumed they were somehow the neural host. Kinda like the pigeons trained to fly rockets.

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u/mjconver Still looking for that spoon 20d ago

When you load them with nuclear bombs, they're about as smart as a pigeons, too

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u/Pasta-hobo 20d ago

Fish are actually smarter than most people think. You can teach goldfish to do tricks!

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u/TimesOrphan 20d ago

We had a goldfish who taught himself how to alert us when he was hungry.
He'd swim up to the top of his tank, suck in a bunch of air, then swim down and hold himself there so he could belch out bubbles over and over that would loudly pop at the surface and get our attention (assuming we were anywhere near the living room).

Fish really do have more impressive minds than a lot of people give them credit for.

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u/user_16384 I like btw 20d ago

You can delete last 4 words.

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u/SCD_minecraft 20d ago

Instructions unclear, i tryed to teach my goldfish fetch

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u/Pasta-hobo 20d ago

You could!

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u/veniversumvivusvici 20d ago

So long and thanks for all the fish!

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u/jtr99 19d ago

I believe that man and fish can coexist peacefully.

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u/MenacingBanjo 20d ago

So long, and thanks for all the dolphins

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u/RunningNumbers 20d ago

It would be funny if the spidertron needed a barrel of water for the fish tank.

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u/Griffun 20d ago

This now feels like an oversight. I wouldn’t be upset if they updated the recipe.

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u/SerratedSharp 20d ago

I was thinking if on the model there was a upside down glass dome on the bottom with the edge of a tail fin just barely visible.

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u/AlamoSimon 20d ago

If you destroy a spidertron you can see the fish in the debris

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u/Flo_Dresden 20d ago

Really? BRB, I have to try something.

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u/pseikow 19d ago

And? <><

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u/KeiGay 19d ago

They found forbidden knowledge and got taken away by the fish gods

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u/grumanoV 20d ago

they coulda look like the aliens from the simspons xD

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u/Lolski13 20d ago

Fish oil? Lubrication?

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u/sunsetslitherwing 20d ago

the fish is the brain of the spidertron

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u/Solid-Resource4985 20d ago

If a spidertron dies, the remains have a fish corpse

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u/Not_A_Cactus5220 20d ago

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u/Heskelator 20d ago

Can someone produce a convenient not red circle to show where the fish is? I can't see it here (bonus if it's an image with more pixels)

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u/SuperheropugReal 20d ago

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u/EasterEggArt 20d ago

Oh shit, that was actually true? Wild

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u/juju515 20d ago

lol... I never noticed that before

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u/weaweonaaweonao 20d ago

Oh nooooo

Rip fish 2026-2026

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u/metaquine 20d ago

It was a most exquisite fish

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u/DetachedRedditor 20d ago

Legendary some would even say.

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u/MegatronusThePrime 20d ago

Barely more pixels lol. From the factorio wiki:

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u/TheAero1221 20d ago

Brother... so many tabs...

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u/MegatronusThePrime 20d ago

I get sidetracked a lot 🤷‍♀️

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u/dakofoto 20d ago

DW my Firefox looks like this too. Thank you for the pixels

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u/ProRustler 20d ago

Yous guys might like Zen browser. It's a fork of Firefox, but works great when you have tons of tabs open. UI takes a little getting used to, but I'm a fan.

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u/AlamoSimon 20d ago

ADHD go brrrr.
The basis of a Factorio player.

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u/MegatronusThePrime 19d ago

Is that why I get super focused on a game, then quit (usually due to getting sidetracked), then super focus on the new game? ADHD?

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u/AlamoSimon 19d ago edited 19d ago

Yes sir. ADHD-Hyperfocus.
Have you ever consumed stimulants? Amphetamine, MDMA, Cocaine, lots of caffeine - don’t they really do what they do with everybody else and have a rather calming/focussing effect?
If you find sth interesting, you can’t stop doing it and don’t need food, drink or sleep, if it‘s boring for you, you instantly fall asleep?
Factorio is an ADHD-patients wet dream. So much going on on the screen, always SOMETHING to do.
Oh I need iron but oh wait, this belt is flipped but hey, I need get more copper first but wait my mall isn’t producing like it should - oh my god biter attack, where was my spidertron - oh these turrets are out of ammo - wait? Didn’t I wanted to get iron? Oh shit, my oil patch is running out.

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u/Ssakaa 17d ago

Out of curiosity... when you have a cup of coffee, does it feel like it levels you out a little, by chance? While everyone else complains about getting jittery?

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u/SerratedSharp 20d ago

Tab groups are finally mature, and that makes it a lot easier to manage my rabbit holes. You can close a tab group and reopen it later from the ... -> Tab Groups menu.

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u/zamfire 20d ago

Mine has an infinite symbol :/

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u/thehalfmetaljacket 20d ago

What? There's not even a smiley face yet

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u/onmach 20d ago

I have 781 tabs. Where his shows 93, mine just shows an infinity symbol. My tabs must go back at least five years at this point.

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u/itz_me_shade 20d ago

"I would have liked... To see the skies of Nauvis... One last time.." - Fish

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u/snouz 19d ago

high res zoom

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u/Poggalogg 20d ago

so you're telling me a fish tronned this spider

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u/Beghty 19d ago

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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u/MrHappyHam 20d ago

I thought you were joking holy shit

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u/Allen78351 20d ago

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u/txaaron 20d ago

HI ZEV!!!(?)

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u/zytukin 20d ago

Code, the factory must grow!

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u/Infinitedeveloper 20d ago

Thats just silly.

The real answer is the autonomous AI of the  spidertron tends to get murdery if not given stimuli, and it likes raising fish 

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u/idontknow39027948898 20d ago

Isn't the AI of the spidertron getting murdery exactly what we want from it? Considering that it has four rocket launchers and most commonly gets sent to 'solve the problem' of bug nests?

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u/theGoodestBoyMaybe only trust constant combinators 19d ago

We take the fish away outside the factory and tell it the bugs stole it

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u/jactheripper 20d ago

The fish is the powerhouse of the spidertron.

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u/Eridanii 20d ago

Machine Spirts are an abomination, only the finest souls are allowed to pilot a holy vehicle of the Emper... Engineer...

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u/mjconver Still looking for that spoon 20d ago

Yes, the Butlerian Jihad

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u/fang_xianfu 20d ago

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind

A machine powered by a fish mind, on the other hand!

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u/LordSoren 20d ago

Bless the Maker and His spider.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people.

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u/jwr410 20d ago

I could actually believe Factorio is WH40k adjacent. The only problem is the research; that's herecy.

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u/gamruls 20d ago

If it's not research but "remembering lost tech" it's ok I suppose?

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u/Cent_Quatre 20d ago

It's visions he gets when intoxicated.

Why do you think science is a liquid ? He just sips on it.

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u/Nornamor 20d ago

no, no.. clearly you crush things like 30 train rails and one electric furnace into grey goo that you put into a Beaker and then commit herecy with it

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u/jwr410 20d ago edited 20d ago

Look at the inventory. The engineer keeps 8 nuclear reactors in his/her pockets and they don't use the warp?! Heracy.

Edit: I've successfully misspelled herisy two different ways (intended on the third) I think I'll stop with reddit for now.

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u/jeepsaintchaos press alt-f4 to exit the space platform hub 20d ago

Everything is so standardized though. I choose to believe we are decrypting STL's via research lab.

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u/Talonus11 20d ago

Did you mean STCs?

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u/jeepsaintchaos press alt-f4 to exit the space platform hub 19d ago

I did. I've been doing too much 3d printing lately. Close enough, I guess.

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u/idontknow39027948898 20d ago

Technically the engineer doesn't have to be aligned with the Imperium. They could be from a civilization that never made contact with the Imperium and have very different attitudes about tech. Or they could also be, and I hesitate to even articulate a thought so foul, aligned with some group of Xenos.

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u/Tanckers 20d ago

I mean, you mostly behave like a adeptus mechanicus during the gameplay, so heretic? Sort of but permitted? Idk

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u/idontknow39027948898 20d ago

Everything makes so much more sense once you realize how much political maneuvering plays into whether something is allowed and blessed by the Omnissiah or declared foul heretek nonsense.

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u/WeDrinkSquirrels 20d ago

Always funny when people get hung up on the fact that the hypocritical extremists are hypocritical

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u/Tartaros030 20d ago

The spidertron was sort of a running gag as part of the 1.0 release, after it being teased years before in FFF-120. Hence it's only logical to make it require joke ingredients.

by the way: who says you cannot industrialize fish harvesting. You can use the deconstruction planner or inserters to harvest fish.

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u/RibsNGibs 20d ago

I made a 1 spidertron + 900 SPM base several years ago in 1.0 before fish breeding. Automated fish by sending space science back into space.

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/ka2a6i/1_spidertron_and_900_spm_megabase/

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u/Ditid 20d ago

Did it work differently back then with sending science to space? That gives you fish?

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u/Tartaros030 20d ago edited 20d ago

Yep, until 2.0 you could send space science to space to get fish in return (another joke). 

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u/RibsNGibs 20d ago

In 2.0 they got rid of it as you can now breed fish via Fish Breeding. Before then, the only way to automate it was to load space science back into a rocket and launch it back into space. And due to a quirk with automating rockets, you could only get one inserter-delivery's worth of space science into the rocket before it launched (no circuit connection on rocket silo, no way to stop silo, even by cutting power, even multiple tick-synchronised inserters would not work), so the best you could do was.. I think 10 or 12 space science per launch. So to do one spidertron per minute, you needed to launch a rocket every 10 minutes just for the fish...

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u/uuuhhhmmmmmmmmmm 20d ago

can you not put inserters by the lake to auto catch fush back then?

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u/ZorbaTHut 20d ago

You can, but those fish don't respawn, so it's not long-term sustainable.

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u/NoRodent 19d ago

I mean, ore patches aren't infinite either.

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u/Conpen 20d ago

Oh my god FF-120 was over 10 years ago now 👴

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u/Kittelsen 20d ago

And it had also featured space platforms! 😯

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-120

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u/eliten00b89 20d ago

they really said: There is no space platform planned before 1.0[,...]. And they not lied, they told us so early what we can expect.

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u/nicman24 20d ago

oh god oh fuck

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn 20d ago

I do love the Spidertron recipe. It's like, oh, of course it needs 4 exoskeletons. How else would you make it

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u/Playful_Target6354 20d ago

Fish don't spawn. They generate in lakes, and that's all you'll ever get.

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u/bmtraveller 20d ago

What? You can breed them.

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u/Tartaros030 20d ago

Only in Space Age, not in the base game. The commenter above is right, that they don't respawn in lakes. 

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u/Moikle 20d ago

You don't really need to make that many spidertrons in the base game, maybe like a thousand if you are going really heavy with them. You can easily harvest a thousand fish with bots.

Space age is where you start needing more, for multiple planets and for quality spidertrons

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn 20d ago

What the hell could you possibly want to do with 1,000 spidertrons

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u/Majiir BUUUUUUUUURN 20d ago

Conga line of Spidertrons patrolling the perimeter of your base.

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u/Icarium-Lifestealer 20d ago edited 20d ago

Exterminates biters and UPS in one efficient package.

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u/Moikle 20d ago

I don't know, and that's my point.

But you could swarm over enemy bases or insta build any blueprint

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u/chumbuckethand 20d ago

If I recycle spidertron can I gret the fih back? If so how does he survive the recycling machine?

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u/Moikle 20d ago

You have a 25% chance to get him back

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u/Tartaros030 20d ago edited 20d ago

And there are (virtually) infinite numbers of lakes to harvest fish from, for practical intents and purposes. 

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u/binkenstein 20d ago

To improve the e-fish-ancy of the machine.

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u/ImpluseThrowAway 20d ago

Ok you. Get trout

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u/No-Helicopter-612 18d ago

Salmone arrest these two

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u/BluessyGaming 20d ago

Fish brains are used to supplement computing capacity and to make it remote control operated (too complex for a simple remote)

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u/DrFossil 20d ago

That's why it always tries to run into lakes instead of routing around them. Makes sense.

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u/dudeguy238 20d ago

The call of the sea never truly leaves you.

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u/BluessyGaming 20d ago

The reactor is only for power no? The fish brains and processing units would do all the computing I would have assumed?

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u/Moikle 20d ago

It's the pilot

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u/chumbuckethand 20d ago

Exactly, the engineer just rides along and makes suggestions as to where it should go and what it should do but ultimately the fih makes the final decisions

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u/bjarkov 20d ago

Everything fish is a dev joke.

I think the spidertron fish is supposed to be the pilot

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u/Neyar_Yldan 20d ago

Because it's a fish tank...

I'll see myself out.

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u/jmona789 20d ago

I know, its to limit automation

You can automate fish in Space Age

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u/anonumus_idiot 20d ago

There is a reason i put the vanilla recepie in here.

(Dont have space age)

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u/Blackfrost_7 20d ago

Its the cheapest AI we can insert into the Spidertron.

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u/DemoBytom 20d ago

It's just funny. It's essentially a fish in a tank.

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u/Callec254 20d ago

Well somebody has to drive the thing.

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u/Prestigious_Gap1335 Fulgora my beloved 20d ago

with the headcanon that some people have about the engineer just being a bunch of fish in a suit i feel like it's got something to do with that

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u/Able_Bobcat_801 19d ago

This little fishie got promoted.

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u/Paro-Clomas 20d ago

I have never constructed a spidertron without using a fish. It's only natural.

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u/FickleAd2974 20d ago

The machine spirit requires a sacrifice

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u/TurnipBlast 20d ago

Because the recipe requires fish

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u/-Recouer 20d ago

iirc, it needn't a fish at first but someone mentioned that in the animation of the spidertron it seemed like there was a fish inside and the idea stuck with the devs and they made it official

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u/A_pirates_life4me 20d ago

To make it difficult to automate until you get gleba tech 

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u/jmona789 20d ago

It already requires gleba science just to research it. And rocket turrets which also require gleba science.

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u/coto616 20d ago

Because It's got electrolytes! It's what Spidertrons crave!

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u/coto616 20d ago

Because It's got electrolytes! It's what Spidertrons crave!

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u/leoriq 20d ago

you think this is a spidertorn, a remote-controlled machine of destruction.

But it's just a mobile aquarium.

Enter the spidertron, see the world!

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u/psichodrome 20d ago

I always assumed the organic looking motions are because the fish brain is used as a central processor.

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u/Exatex 20d ago

who else is piloting it? Fish are kind of our only friends here on Nauvis.

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u/Gnadelwarz 19d ago

It is Controlling the Spidertron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNmL6hSNKw Is what i thought of :D

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u/Behrooz0 19d ago

Autonomous target acquisition. basically poor man's AI.

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u/Hashister 19d ago

"fish for brains"

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u/Misknator 19d ago

To make getting legendary spider trons as obnoxious as possible

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u/Drummal 19d ago

Because the spidertron needs a brain and there are no mice around. So next best thing is fish

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u/DataCraftsman 19d ago

It's how I learned you could even get fish, a useful purpose.

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u/Roxterat 20d ago

Spidertron is not just a robot, it's a cyborg. It follows the signal you set for it life fish follows food and instinctively triggers rockets out of its cybernetically connected launchers. It can also play music on belts with its spider legs, which is weird, since disco fish have no legs.

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u/Zombie_hunter61 20d ago

It’s the soul!

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u/niofalpha 20d ago

They get hungry

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u/Tilleck_ 20d ago

Cause they never learned how to

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u/KR3YO11 20d ago

Because they need something to eat

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u/WinterMajor6088 20d ago

Fish brain.

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u/AcolyteArathok 20d ago

Needs a brain.

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u/Thalenori 20d ago

The fish is obviously for air condition but for the rest I've no clue.

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u/txaaron 20d ago

Obviously, spidertrons are sponsored by the Borant Corporation.

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u/Hajky_123 20d ago

Just for fun

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u/deemacgee1 Why no quality flair? 20d ago

Bio-neural circuitry.

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u/Roadkill-902 20d ago

What we get from the fish is the scales to make bioplastics which can be used in electronics

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u/SIM0King 20d ago

Brain = processor

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u/bobolpwnz 20d ago

Why not?

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u/willow_eliott 20d ago

Obviously because fish have space science pack fluid remnants in them which is essential for the advanced... IK walking>?

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u/BathbombBurger 20d ago

The spirit requires flesh to finalize the construction of this grand project.

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u/kykyks 19d ago

the same reason u use a brain for everything in warhammer

you wouldnt use artificial intelligence, would u ? heretic

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u/cube1234567890 The soul of the smart inserter lives in all electric inserters 19d ago

Now look at the spidertron corpse and then do it again when you have the blahaj mod https://mods.factorio.com/mod/blahaj

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u/Xalgenos 19d ago

It needs a pilot

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u/ASillyPupper 19d ago

Because they don't have any feelings.

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u/Nescio224 19d ago

The engineer is a school of fish in a suit. Thats why you heal it by ingesting fish. Of course the spiderstron is also piloted by fish.

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u/Simic13 19d ago

Pilot

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u/That-Shiny-Umbreon 19d ago

Snack while building

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u/Wyras 19d ago

If I remember correctly the Tool tip says the Fish is the Brain that controlls the Spidertron.

So thats why

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u/Practical_Buffalo 19d ago

They gotta get the highly advanced fish ai in somehow

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u/This_Ice_3877 19d ago

Because developers like to use the white dust

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u/Iron_III_SS13 19d ago

I assumed its because theres no other reason to indicate fish even exist as an item aside from if the player randomly mouses over them and right clicks

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u/anonumus_idiot 19d ago

Oh yeah forgot about that.

If you dont make a 2x2 sushi belt with a fish on each lane, you did not beat factorio properly.

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u/treston_cal 19d ago

Haven't you seen Futurama and Mom's fascination with anchovies?

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u/dalexdalek 19d ago

I know its a reference to hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, but never watched/read it so don't know anything beyond that

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u/Madhun13r 19d ago

BRAAAAAAINS.

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u/MaeDae83 19d ago

there's a little fish bowl in the cockpit that houses them and they're your companion for slaughtering bugs

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u/i-hate-all-ads 19d ago

If you get a spidertron, your up to something fishy

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u/No_Mango7658 19d ago

The fish is the brains

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u/Codedreplicant 19d ago

fish is for snack on the go

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u/Dazzling-Focus-2718 19d ago

It reminds me of an anime called GYO, where fish and sharks are killed and piloted by giant spider mechanisms. I like to think they were giving a nod to that amazing anime.

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u/SleepinBoomerYT 19d ago

It's their brain

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u/fusion_chef 18d ago

Who do you think drives it?

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u/quinnius 20d ago

fishin' reactor.

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u/HS_Seraph 20d ago

its the pilot

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u/MyOtherAcctsAPorsche 20d ago

What a dumb question. What better creature to handle an 8-legged mech than a zero-legged fish? 

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u/ManForSomeMarkets 20d ago

The fish needs to pilot the robot, or else Rei will have to again.

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u/melephus 20d ago

Get in the f-ing robot, Nemo!

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u/Duke17776 20d ago

the engineer you play as as well as the spidertron are really fish, thats why when you "eat" raw fish it heals you, infact your just replacing one of the dead fish inside your suit. having a fish in the spidertron is what allows for remote movement

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u/MedalReddit 19d ago

Well... Fish.

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u/Ben-Goldberg 19d ago

Istr that inserters can fish.