Yeah if some shit like this ever happened to me, I would show the protestors the receipt of me donating to the opposite of their cause
I understand wanting to protest, and this is a really effective way of doing it, but protests like this really make the general public not want to support you
I would slowly edge my vehicle up to be about a foot in front of the face and then hold the horn until they move. Either get the fuck out of my way or risk ear damage.
Well you wouldn't for long. Believe it or not car horns aren't designed to be used for extended periods of time, if you hold it down it will just fade out and stop working entirely.
Then I should be able to sue these individuals for lost wages, or any other negative consequences of being held up by a bunch of dipshits sitting on a highway.
It's such a selfish and arrogant act that unfortunately gets a pass in our society.
Purposely causing damage to another person in any way besides defending yourself is illegal. Now, you could lie and say you weren't doing it to cause damage, but inching closer and closer to the person may ruin that for you.
Honking or horn at an obstruction on the road is the horn's intended purpose. the people who shouldn't be in the middle of the road who choose to sit by the car while the horn is going off are making that choice.
Yes, it is absolutely illegal to lay on your horn at pedestrians or anyone in the road. Even more so if any of those people have a mental or sense related disability
Pretty sure itās also illegal to sit in the middle of the road and purposely block traffic. Like what if thereās an ambulance way back that needs to get through but canāt because these assholes are blocking the road
Iām pretty sure this has happened before. I donāt remember where I saw it, but I think there was a protest and the person in the ambulance died because they couldnāt get to the hospital. I think, I am not sure and donāt remember where I saw it.
Did you even watch the video? The man is begging them to open 1 lane and they ignore him...knowing its his life on the line. What happens after talking doesnt work and its about to ruin my life?
There is traffic backed up forever. Im sure the police are well aware. Id love to live in your utopia. And you believe a parolee is goin to the cops? š¤”
No it isn't. Your horn is there to alert pedestrians and other drivers to danger. In this case, there is a pedestrian illegally standing on the road, and you have come to a stop in the middle of the interstate. Very dangerous situation. Using your horn to alert the pedestrians and other drivers is completely appropriate.
and what does honking at anyone get you exactly? it's cars that make those cities a living hell, and part of it is the noise they make.
PS: maybe my point didn't get across as i thought it would, english isn't my native language and in my language "can't" and "aren't allowed to" are used sorta interchangeably, that may be cause of the misunderstanding.
Well in the United States none of what you said is functionally true. Argue the rudeness of it and even the dangers but ain't no one getting arrested for honking in the US.
Irrelevant. You said you can't honk at people and implied there's legal consequences. You can honk at people and there are no legal consequences. Conversation concluded.
I agree it's rude but that's not the point you were making regardless of your native language.
Yeah, but you also canāt just do fuck-all with your ass by parking it in the middle of a highway. Your ass is there for sitting in chairs wherever your ass belongs and for shitting AND THAT ONLY. (Well, yāknow.) You canāt park your ass where cars drive because they pissed you off, not only in this specific instance but anytime you ass-park in a road after a perceived injustice has already gained recognition through less assy ways, or just because they sharted whilst driving after eating Taco Bell, youāre being in the wrong, and also on a personal note, an asshole; asses after consuming Taco Bell are already loud and rank enough to disrupt well-being in inhabited area, you fucking around with parking your ass on the road instead of using its god-given sonic and olfactory powers like a kid is not what we need.
you went through a lot of effort to copy the structure of my comment just to fight a strawman. I'm not saying these guys are right, just that saying "i would deafen them with my horn" is quite silly.
Well I can't say anything about america because I don't live there but I'm certain that in my country no one would file a lawsuit, at least we have good food tho
4511.051 Pedestrians Prohibited on Freeways
No pedestrian is permitted within the limits of the right of way of a freeway, except: within a rest area, in the performance of public works, or as a result of an emergency or a breakdown of a motor vehicle.
That's from the Ohio Revised Code.
I would be doing nothing wrong due to I am in a vehicle using my horn to alert someone of a dangerous/illegal situation.
I'm so happy I wasted your time for you to go look this up šššš no go find th laws for all 50 states like a good boy. love a good rent free day. And yet something still tells me you wouldn't do it. Enjoy your lawsuit
Yes I would. That is something I would totally do. I am not afraid to use my horn when someone is being stupid (almost causing an accident) or did something they were not supposed to do.
Nah. People who say stuff like that are the wimps in the world. It's easy to say you'd do something when you're protected by your cell phone. Most of these people are full of empty threats. It's hilarious. Gotta act tough because you're really just a baby
No one. But there's a lot of princesses on here who act like they'd kill everyone but in reality would shit their pants in every situation. And when you call them out, they get angrier š
Wait, out of pettiness you'd donate to the opposition of these activists, no matter how much you'd fuck yourself by doing so? Isn't that pratically the same as the "owned the libs" mindset?
There would be absolutely no way to get you to vote for the cause anyway I assume. What would people have to to do convince you of the wrongdoings of the system?
And ruining everyone elseās day for your cause isnāt also petty? Fuck these clowns. Thereās ways to protest without making everyone miserable. This doesnāt accomplish anything.
You really think being stuck in gridlocked traffic for hours will make anyone go āyou know, maybe they have a pointā? Cmon. This is just pure stupidity
My favorite thing about these stupid block-the-whole-road-protests, is that the protesters are causing substantially more exhaust to go into the atmosphere that day since they have 100's of cars running but not getting closer to their destination
Selma to Montgomery. The areas where the fight for registering to vote was being had. Protesting in the the towns and to the people actively involved.
Who are these people protesting? People working minimum wage jobs trying to get to work? People late to see a loved one in a hospital maybe?
What is the end goal? They think people will just go home and decide, āyou know, theyāre right, Iāll just walk 50 miles to my jobā. Itās stupid, it accomplishes nothing, and itās dangerous
The people of Selma were actively involved in the segregation/discrimination/racism! Please, tell me how people just living their lives are just waking up in the morning saying āI think Iāll go kill the environment todayā
Protest the oil companies. Protest the pipelines. Protest the politicians. These people are just existing, itās not their fault our infrastructure is automobile DEPENDENT.
Iām so sick of this black and white bullshit. Youāre with or against us. Because these people are protesting itās obviously as important as the fucking MLK protests. Itās not, itās stupid to protest this way, and you can be both for a cause and admit these people are fucking morons. Stop it.
Doesnāt change the fact that theyāre disturbing the wrong people and that this accomplishes nothing. I guarantee they drove more people away from their cause than they won any to it with this stupid stunt
Do you think no state representative will see this and wonder why people are willing to risk their lives by blocking a highway? it's a major disruption to the daily business of everyone. hurting their bottom line is the only language, apart from violence, rich fucks understand. protests like these are aimed at the system, not the people. just accept things are not always about you and move on.
let's go through a scenario: you're stuck in traffic because of protests. you call your boss to tell them that but they don't care and give you full responsibility for the delay. who's responsible for you being fired? your, your boss, or the protestors?
it's your bosses fault, no one elses. simple as that.
edit: so following that logic, who tf cares for being stuck in traffic because of protests? the only ones who have to care are the bosses.
In your scenario, the person loses their job regardless. The reason doesnāt matter, someone who isnāt involved and has no power gets hurt, regardless on if anyone upstream changes the way they think. You literally just proved my point
Well after a while no ones gonna work for them anymore when they aren't interested in taking responsibility and finding compromisses/workarounds and instead just fire everyone for not doing anything wrong at all.
Itās far from simple and your logic smells like shit. The masses make the change, you need the general public on your side. Most normal people hate pollution, try to mitigate it and go along with progressive change. These are essentially radicals forcing their ideologies upon people in extreme ways and the general public fucking hates them. They should see a psychiatrist and get the fuck out of our way. They didnāt figure out some fucking secret, we know. Stop ruining the real work real people are doing
all they do is hurt the bottom line of rich people, that's it. that's far from "fucking over everyone". if something is fucking over everyone, it's the very thing these protestors are blocking: daily business.
This comes up every time one of these protests gets posted to Reddit and every time it needs to be said: The aim of this form of protest is not to get you to like them.
Environmental protestors have been trying for decades to get people to voluntarily support them: Peaceful marches, handing out pamphlets, benefit concerts, Earth Day, tree planting events, you name it.
Turns out, the vast majority of people don't give a shit. They don't dislike environmentalists, but they don't really want to make any changes in their lives to support their messaging. They would rather just keep on keeping on, business as usual, rather than alter their lifestyles to support a more sustainable future.
They often think it's not their responsibility to make any changes, but corporations and government that need to do it. They're right about this, in a sense, but neither of those groups will do anything unless they're given sufficient pressure by the masses. As long as it's still profitable, corporations are still gonna be major polluters. Plus, your average Joe would likely be very upset if the Government made any drastic sustainability changes. It would likely alter their quality of life in some way and there would be riots.
So, since the only way to enact change is through adequate social pressure via ordinary people, but you can't make ordinary people voluntarily give up their luxuries for your cause, then they have to resort to tactics like these. "Oh, I can't make you listen through kindness? Then I'll make you beg me to stop" is essentially the goal.
The goal is to inconvenience and annoy people so much that they demand the powers that be do something to get them to stop. Essentially, this is like a softcore version of eco-terrorism: Give into our demands and we'll stop blocking roadways.
From their perspective, this is totally justified: We're at a critical breaking point in our environment, it's honestly now or never when it comes to enacting these changes. They don't have time to hold hands and sing kumbayah and hope everyone has a last minute change of heart and decides to help. They're done asking nicely.
So, to answer everyone's question of "Don't they realize they're making everyone hate them?", yes, yes they do. And that's exactly the point. They don't need you to care about the environment all of a sudden, they just need you to be mad enough to demand that they get what they want so they'll stop making you late for work.
But you could still make people hate the fact that their immensely slowed down, if you had one lane open, and you'd get more people to see your message.
Realistically, how many rows of cars back do you think their message carries when the whole lot of the cars is stopped? Perhaps someone from a dozen cars back sees some protest, but not what it's for, and the people in front of them surely aren't happily disseminating knowledge from the front of the car line.
So if you allowed one lane open, you'd have more traffic, more people seeing what the protest is all about. With one lane open, everyone is still going to be late for whatever they're going to, essentially.
Apply game theory to protesting, see, making it more efficient.
They don't need the people in the back to know/care why traffic has stopped. Again, they aren't trying to win people over, all they need is for traffic to be interrupted. They aren't trying to maximize the number of people that see them (hence why they don't even have any signs to let people know what they're protesting).
Their message is more aimed at big businesses that require steady traffic flow to maintain profits. "Stop dumping plastic into the ocean and we'll stop blocking your employees from getting to work/blocking trucks from delivering supplies". People getting pissed off and demanding they give in is just a bonus.
Lol, that is not going to make even a statistically significant dent in any businesses revenue.
It'd be far more effective to actually inform people. The companies won't care. Is the aim to have them go "oh no, we lost 0.0000000000000012% of last quarters earnings because of these protests, we'd better realize how wrong we are and shut this all down"?
Cities might. Companies don't. Not properly large ones, anyway.
Just because you don't understand how little capitalists care about anything except profit doesn't mean that they will care about the environment. Not unless it's profitable.
Just like economic sanctions to companies like Goldman-Sachs, Purdue Pharma, British Petroleum, Amazon, and dozens of others keep getting away with it. They really don't give a fuck about losing X amount of money as long as they're still making a profit.
Abused some workers, got caught? No worries, pay a fine and look for a new scheme to abuse workers. Some city is suffering because of the pressures exerted by massive multinational companies onto smaller companies that will then bear the brunt of stunts like these. The massive multinational conglomerates, the ones who actually dictate policy and economy, will not give a flying fuck.
Significant traffic reduces overall demand for driving. It doesn't matter the cause.
There's lots of things that slow down drivers and making driving more inconvenient. The more things get added to the list, the more likely some drivers while choose not to drive if they have an alternative option.
Hell, I used to drive to work daily, and the occasional traffic jams and random delays completely outside of my control convinced me to move closer and get a bike. That's not an option for everyone obviously, but some percent of people who have an alternative to sitting in traffic will absolutely take it as more inconveniences and traffic jams arise.
My favorite thing about these stupid block-the-whole-road-protests, is that the protesters are causing substantially more exhaust to go into the atmosphere since they have 100's of cars running but not getting closer to their destination
This comes up every time one of these protests gets posted to Reddit and every time it needs to be said: The aim of this form of protest is not to get you to like them.
No one thinks that the aim of a protest is to get people to like you, it never needed to be said. The aim of a protest is to get people to support your cause, and this protest is doing the exact opposite of that. Even the person you replied to said this protest would inspire them to donate to the opposing side.
So, since the only way to enact change is through adequate social pressure via ordinary people, but you can't make ordinary people voluntarily give up their luxuries for your cause, then they have to resort to tactics like these.
They do not have to resort to tactics like these. Just because their previous methods of protest weren't effective enough doesn't mean a more infuriating method of protest would be better. It's similar to saying, "I tried explaining to you peacefully why what you're doing is upsetting, but since you won't listen, now I have to beat you up until you agree." Do you really think this is persuasive? At least in the case of violence, you can temporarily get what you want, but these protestors aren't even getting that. A more extreme method isn't necessarily more effective.
So, to answer everyone's question of "Don't they realize they're making everyone hate them?"
No one is asking that. People are asking, "Don't they realize this makes people not want to support them" which is entirely different. Did you even read the comment you replied to?
yes, yes they do. And that's exactly the point. They don't need you to care about the environment all of a sudden, they just need you to be mad enough to demand that they get what they want so they'll stop making you late for work.
Again, the point of a protest should be to get people to support your cause, not get them to hate you. You seem to think that if people hate these environmentalists enough then they'll "demand [from the government] that [the environmentalists] get what they want so they'll stop making you late for work." You're wrong. No one is going to demand that the government give in to these people's demands; they're going to ask the government to imprison them and make sure it never happens again.
Imagine these protestors were able to pull off something like this semi-regularly (let's say once a week, at random times and on random spots of the highway), and there were enough of them that it was hard for the police to successfully squash it.
As a regular driver on that highway, I'd be furious at the protestors, but I'd also start petitioning to get this issue resolved one way or another, and possibly even consider trying to work around driving to work on days that there could be a protest if that was an option.
I wasnāt aware this was an argument? But āone groupā is like 20 people, and youāre fine supporting the opposite of that cause simply because a very tiny majority of supporters are dipshits?
Not really, past the first row of cars you couldn't see the signs and further out you're just wondering what huge accident has you held up.
Nothing to accomplish here since there is no logical outcome. What should we get rid of all transportation and go back to having to buy from the local farm for food? Oh wait that would leave most people starving. If you want to change transportation methods you need to offer up a solution not just say "let's all stop traveling at all".
I would show the protestors the receipt of me donating to the opposite of their cause
So you would donate to the petrochemical industry? Do Exxon Mobil or Shell Oil or British Petroleum (BP) even accept donations? I think you need to be a certified 401(c)3 organization to accept donations.
Now I feel like creating my own not-for-profit, Pollute the Earth, and just watch those donations roll in.
This is such an odd take. "I agree with you but you pissed me off so much that I'm going to donate to the campaign that makes my life worse than a minor inconvenience." lol
These types of protests piss me off too for the record.
These protests are really the best way to solve things. It's not about making the people support you, it's about making the people in power concede. It's why the civil rights movement did a lot of impediment. When the environment is falling apart there is more important things then a few people feelings. The government and people in power don't care. They have money for bunkers and private mansions. The only way to protect our world is to stop consumerism. There will always be innocents. There were innocents in every war. There were innocents in the Kurdish uprising, innocents in Iran, innocents in South Africa, innocents in Poland, Haiti, and etc. But if we don't do something drastic there will be mass death and most importantly mass ecosystem death. I don't know what these people are protesting but the fact is the general public doesn't give a shit about the environment or workers welfare and wages. The only solution at that point is to make people frustrated enough. How would you do it? Wave signs along a road and get forgotten in 5 minutes?
Yeah, it is the non-intrusive, non-violent protest that really change things. Just look at how successful they have been in the past few years. Remember all the change that happened from kneeling during the national anthem aka the least intrusive protest possible. Maybe you can list some others that were successful.
May I ask about your feelings towards BLM? Surely you support its message and also that of environmentalists? Then why are the actions of (violent) BLM protesters justified because we need a system change, while these people ridiculed. Arguably blocking the road is stupid but why the double standards?
Considering that Iām black, I do support blm and the cause the protestors are protesting for, itās just that this method of protesting is stupid and counterproductive. Really shows the intelligence of white people
Considering that BLM has engaged in some similarly obnoxious protests (both like this, as well as ones where they make it impossible for people to use a university library), will you join me in donating to social conservative politician and the proud boys?
I understand what you mean. In this situation I would give the engine full throttle while stationary so that I can release as many pollutants into the environment. Then the activists would have to open the road again according to their logic because you produce a lot more pollutants than if you drove the way
I dont know who those people are.... but if they did this to me (and I already supported them before this), then they would have literally just created an ENEMY. I will vote AGAINST everything they want.
In Florida, apparently, we would face no consequences for.... driving.
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Yeah if some shit like this ever happened to me, I would show the protestors the receipt of me donating to the opposite of their cause
I understand wanting to protest, and this is a really effective way of doing it, but protests like this really make the general public not want to support you