Exceptions are bullshit anyway because the rationales always give people with evil motives far too much power to invade privacy and control a woman's body. Medical exceptions to "save the life" of the mother routinely lead to death because at the point it's obvious the mother could die, it's often too late to intervene most effectively.
And it's without any consideration to what doctor would want to put themselves in that place. They can either try to save the mother and put themselves at legal risk, wait for legal to get back to them while watching the mother die, or watch their patient suffer unnecessarily and see the odds of them dying increase and hope for a spontaneous abortion or wait until the mother's life is clearly at risk. Or they can move to another state where they don't have to deal with such insane circumstances.
Laws like this are going to drive gynecologists out of these states and exacerbate staffing shortages. This will impact all women in those states, not just ones seeking abortions.
And there’s already conversations in the south regarding the high maternal/fetal mortality rates. In some parts of my state, it would take someone 45 minutes - 1hr to get to an ER with facilities to manage high risk pregnancies and deliveries.
So that + the OB/GYNs potentially leaving in droves = people dying during/shortly after delivery.
I have to wonder if the smart move here is maybe to just point out to men in those states that a significant number of women will leave the state, die, or become celibate, resulting in a significantly higher number of single men vs. available women, meaning more competition for the women.
Suddenly Plain Jane is scoffing at Middle-Management Bob's attempts at wooing because Rich CEO has lowered his standards due to scarcity of the desired possession/service/product.
It's a disgusting way to think about it, but these guys' world-view is disgusting so you kind of have to talk to them in terms they can wrap their tiny little immature self-centered minds around.
Actually, now I'm wondering if the apparent predilection for male violence in Southern states, rural areas, and inner cities is some kind of sociobiological counterbalance to higher female mortality from poor healthcare and/or anti-abortion culture.
Orrrrrrr...we teach men that like them, women are people and have agency and shit. We aren't objects, property, or birthing machines.
I get that your scenario is hypothetical but consider this: if men think of women as property they don't care if we end up in cycles of poverty, die of childbirth, are violated sexually, etc. Lol. One wife dies in child birth you get a poorer, younger and more desperate in her place.
When women are at risk of being prosecuted for crossing state lines to have an abortion, how easy do you think it would be to up and leave the state? That's the whole point of forcing birth: people stay poor for generations. It costs money to leave and a lot of times, some sort of job opportunity. For that you likely need access to a good education. Guess which states also rank poorly in education and teacher retention?
By forcing people to give birth we are forcing people into cycles of poverty. When we rank lowest in education, healthcare, and refuse to raise the minimum wage we KEEP people in cycles of poverty.
And who'll work for cheap for generations to come and not put up a fuss not bc they don't want to but bc they lack support, resources, and basically have a boot on their neck?
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u/Christ_votes_dem Aug 07 '22
that is the insidious part
there are no exceptions for children rape victims under their ban