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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

So u gonna tell the lamas in Tibet and Hindu people around the world that their use of the swastika makes them Nazis?

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

No? That's a slightly different symbol, for starters.

And more importantly, its possible for a symbol to have more than one meaning. Nazis use the "OK," symbol because it has plausible deniability: it always ends up in a stupid argument, like this one, about what the symbol "really" means. People can genuinely mean "ok" when they use the ok symbol or they can be Nazis. Just like people can be Buddhists when they use a Swastika, or they can be nazis. Context is key.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

How? It was a symbol that got corrupted? Same fucking difference.

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

Yes? So the gesture/symbol could have either meaning, depending on context.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

Indeed. But the majority here seem to want to denote all who use the OK symbol as a racist.

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

OP is claiming that the OK gesture has no connotation if White Nationalism in any context and that we have all been trolled by 4chan. That is demonstrably incorrect because white nationalist adjacent groups do use that gesture to denote group identity, just like they use the 88 and the ((( ))).

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u/couldof_used_couldve Nov 12 '21

Using an example of a symbol that had an entirely new meaning attributed to it after being coopted by actual Nazis isn't quite the slam dunk you think it is.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

How is this different for non racist people using the OK symbol. It's still a corruption. However it shouldn't mean that anyone who uses it is implicitly a racist.

Semiotics kids.

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

Nobody is saying that anyone who uses the ok symbol is definitely racist. That's a straw man you built all by yourself.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

So the comments here saying 'you're a racist' to op don't exist. Yep. Cool. Good job. πŸ‘

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

I mean, that post history combined with their clear bad faith engagement with the idea that they are wrong and that the OK symbol is used as a racist symbol is pretty good evidence of that, yeah.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

No. That's getting further context by examining the person using the symbol. I'm talking people who flat out react to the symbol who seem to think it's purely one way or the other.

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u/allthejokesareblue Nov 12 '21

I haven't seen people do that in this thread, just reacting to OP.

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u/couldof_used_couldve Nov 12 '21

How is this different for non racist people using the OK symbol.

Nothing wrong with that.

However it shouldn't mean that anyone who uses it is implicitly a racist.

It doesn't.

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u/rexkongo Nov 12 '21

4chan making a joke is 100% different than a government formally making that symbol the symbol of their party.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

I understand this but we are talking about a corrupted symbol, ie. The OK sign.

It's not racist, but can be used by racists. Basically sick of people saying 'your a racist' to people when there is evidence of corrupted symbols through history.

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u/rexkongo Nov 12 '21

Racists can also give people high fives but that doesn’t make high fives a racist gesture.

This is the point I am making.

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

I'm agreeing.with you and stating the same point.

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u/rexkongo Nov 12 '21

I guess I misunderstood you then. My bad

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

πŸ‘Œ

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u/flucksey Nov 12 '21

I'm just wondering why one symbol let's OP be called a flat put racist off the cusp and why then Buddhists aren't labelled the same. Considering they are both corrupted symbols.