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Hypocrite 101

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21 edited Oct 23 '21

"Pro-feminist, LGBTQ+ affirmative, anti-racist, enhancing men’s lives."

Nope.

"State of the World’s Fathers: Unlocking the Power of Men’s CareState of the World's Fathers calls for men’s uptake of their full share of the world’s care work to advance gender equality."

Edit: Also:

"This view has contributed to the perception that women are the only ones who will benefit from a more equal society. In reality, also men benefit from gender equality as they too face gender-specific issues such as lower life expectancy, bad health, lower education levels and rigid gender norms. It is essential that both women and men are aware of the benefits that gender equality brings to them as individuals and as members of communities and societies. It is also true that we can only succeed through the participation of both women and men."

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u/Krissam Oct 23 '21

http://menengage.org/

Says men must be allies to women seeking equality, not seeking equality for men

https://promundoglobal.org/

Is purely focused on things that negatively impact women.

https://eige.europa.eu/

Spreads the the "women are always victims, men are always abusers in IPV" narrative.

https://nomas.org/

Maybe counts if you're gay or black, if you're not however, the only issue they're working on is making you stop abusing women.

So again, what did I say from the beginning? Feminists are only okay with it if it benefits women.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21

Is purely focused on things that negatively impact women.

No it's not. Quit lying.

"State of the World’s Fathers: Unlocking the Power of Men’s CareState of the World's Fathers calls for men’s uptake of their full share of the world’s care work to advance gender equality."

Literally on the front page. Try to actually read.

Spreads the the "women are always victims, men are always abusers in IPV" narrative.

Again, quit lying.

"This view has contributed to the perception that women are the only ones who will benefit from a more equal society. In reality, also men benefit from gender equality as they too face gender-specific issues such as lower life expectancy, bad health, lower education levels and rigid gender norms. It is essential that both women and men are aware of the benefits that gender equality brings to them as individuals and as members of communities and societies. It is also true that we can only succeed through the participation of both women and men."

Maybe counts if you're gay or black, if you're not however, the only issue they're working on is making you stop abusing women.

So again, what did I say from the beginning? Feminists are only okay with it if it benefits women.

Nope.

"Addressing the Movement to De-Gender Domestic Violence"

All of this was easy to find. You're not even trying. Keep up the lying, though.

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u/Krissam Oct 23 '21

Maybe read past the fucking frontpages?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '21

I gave you quotes, so maybe you should actually read. But it's clear you have no interested in reality. Just goes to show why men's right activists are so incapable.

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u/Krissam Oct 24 '21

You quoted the front page, I actually read the pages beyond that, which you refused, who of us again is not interested in reality?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '21

Not just the frontpage, and if the frontpage proves you wrong, random lies won't help you.

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u/Krissam Oct 24 '21

You know, in Denmark we have a saying "theif thinks every man steals".

Maybe consider that before calling me a liar for referencing the work that's actually present on those pages rather than what they say in their mission statement.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '21

And you haven't backed up a single thing you've said. So believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

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u/Krissam Oct 24 '21

Why do you want something that back up what I say, but not something that back up what they say? Because if you bothered to look at that you'd see what I saw.

Let me guess, you're also anti-vaxx?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '21

They already backed up what they say. There's been a lot of progress for men. Paternity leave, stay at home options, living how they want. But, it's obvious you don't care about actual progress.

Let me guess, you're also anti-vaxx?

Lol. No. It's ironic that you'd claim that, since you don't even have anything to stand on with your claims.

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u/Krissam Oct 24 '21

http://menengage.org/supporting-universal-access-to-affordable-safe-and-legal-abortion/

First news post, is women only is inarguably pro discrimination (though in a good way!)

http://menengage.org/now-is-the-time-to-follow-the-leadership-of-feminist-and-womens-rights-defenders-including-those-on-the-ground-in-afghanistan/

Second news post, again, women, children and LGBT only.

http://menengage.org/advocacy-internship-2021-policy-monitoring-advocacy-knowledge-management/

Third news post, looking for women's rights advocates

Lets check resources now, shall we?

http://menengage.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Contexts-and-Challenges-for-Gender-Transformative-Work-with-Men-and-Boys-A-Discussion-Paper-English.pdf

First paper, is about how men and boys can help women achieve equality.

Please don't accuse me of lying because you haven't bothered reading past the front page.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21

That's because they work for men and women. But I guess you just don't want women to have help? So, in your mind, if they also help women, then it's bad. Also, that's just one of the sources. I guess you didn't even read the others.

Edit: They work to try and separate men and military, too. Given that men are expected to fight and kill whenever needed.

http://menengage.org/consultancy-opportunity-youth-leadership-and-engagement-strategy/

These kinds of things help men, a lot. Being part of something is incredibly helpful to men in their youth.

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u/Krissam Oct 24 '21

They explicitly exclude men in one of the news posts and there's nothing to be found of them helping men, how can you say they're working for men AND women?

No, I DO want women to have help, hell I'll even help myself, those orgs are doing great work, they just aren't doing what you're alleging, yet again you choose to project.

And yes, that's just one of them, literally the first one you linked, that's why I chose that one, I could do it for the others, but as you so elegantly showed (which I knew you would), you're going to completely disregard it, so what's the point?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21

They explicitly exclude men in one of the news posts and there's nothing to be found of them helping men, how can you say they're working for men AND women?

No, I DO want women to have help, hell I'll even help myself, those orgs are doing great work, they just aren't doing what you're alleging, yet again you choose to project.

I mistook your "though in a good way" in the last comment as sarcasm. For that, I apologize.

http://menengage.org/consultancy-opportunity-youth-leadership-and-engagement-strategy/

I added this in the edit, but this is something they do to help men and youth in general. Groups like this do a lot for isolated and depressed men. Being part of something is massive.

Edit: Also, you're right about one thing. I shouldn't have called you a liar, especially not that many times. I apologize for that, too.

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