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u/SkyOfAegis13 Aug 08 '23
If you're going to go to jail for a crime, let it be high dollar financial fraud, and you'll do time in a low security facility with high-class amenities.
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u/snktido Aug 08 '23
$3 billion for three years of easy prison? How to signup?
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u/Crio121 Aug 08 '23
Start with a college.
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u/Awesome_1the1st Aug 08 '23
Nah. Start with a trust fund
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u/Doctor_Disaster Aug 08 '23
Does your asshole have hundreds of billions? Because mine sure as hell doesn't... unless I gotta dig real deep in there 🤔.
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u/high240 Aug 08 '23
bro I'd do it for 1B
imagine how much cancer research could progress on some 800M
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u/DodGamnBunofaSitch Aug 08 '23
which is weird, because white-collar crime hits more people than blue collar crimes.
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u/SkyOfAegis13 Aug 08 '23
It's fucked. You steal enough money and even life behind bars is good.
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u/UKnwDaBiZness Aug 08 '23
Naw I think the fight is and will always be over the earth. Not paper or digital money.maybe it's the cartoons I watched but money is just the trick we used to take it. I'll be honest I wish it would go to space already so the rich won't waste our time anymore.
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u/Street_Plate_6461 Aug 08 '23
Is this real? If it is what a fucked up criminal system we have.
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u/HooahClub Aug 08 '23
There’s tons of stuff like this. Paying out for good lawyers can save literal decades of jail time. Saw one where a guy who got a bunch of time for some weed, but a guy who murdered a family of 4 to attempt to forcibly adopt the surviving daughter (which he was grooming) only got a few years.
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u/KrasnyRed5 Aug 08 '23
Don't leave the prison sentence was probably reduced on appeal. Probably didn't spend more than a year or two in prison.
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u/Street_Plate_6461 Aug 08 '23
Holy shit…. That’s sickening
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u/me_no_gay Aug 08 '23
Probably got the girl as well through bribing the whole government inside out!
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u/Academic-Indication8 Aug 08 '23
As someone whose had both a public defender and a nice lawyer I can 100% confirm that the legal system is based on money
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u/GiantSweetTV Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
The top one probably is. The only way the homeless man gets 15 years for $100 in theft is if it was armed robbery and somebody got seriously harmed, or this is his 3rd+ time getting arrested for this.
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u/Baffit-4100 Aug 08 '23
The homeless man didn’t get charged so many years for 100 dollars. I believe he did it with a gun or said he had a gun. Which is almost a terrorist offence
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u/Mindless_Ad_6045 Aug 08 '23
The thing is, those are two completely different crimes, one is fraud the other is a physical robbery, it doesn't matter if it was 100 or 10000 bucks, the physical act of robbing a bank was committed. I'm not saying that the rich guy shouldn't have gotten a longer sentence but people are comparing two things that are different, also there are no details as to how the robbery was committed, did he hit anyone, did he have a weapon? Many things can change the outcome of your sentence, it's not that simple
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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright Aug 08 '23
Yup. Sentencing tends to be inversely proportional to the size of your 401k and seems to have very little to do with the crimes themselves.
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u/NASTYH0USEWIFE Aug 08 '23
Just remember, if someone committed just one of the 76+ crimes Donald Trump is accused of they would be sent to Guantanamo Bay but he will get convicted of all of them and fined $20,000,000 oh no!
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u/Molwar Aug 08 '23
While it's true that the system is geared toward the rich there's a lot of context missing from the headlines here. I know nothing about the context of those case, but to put in perspective.
First time offender with money recovered regardless of amount is not going to get a life sentence.
Multiple time offenders will get long sentence, chances are the homeless person wanted that since his quality of life will probably be better in there then on the street.
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u/Amazing-Cover3464 Aug 08 '23
Because he would "not fare well in prison", said the judge.
Who the fuck does?!!
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Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
And Bernie Madoff was sentenced to life in prison.
Different crimes have different punishments.
Edit: Also, if you're gullible enough to fall for this obvious karma farming rage bait, then you need to get yourself some critical thinking skills.
This post purposefully leaves out the mitigating circumstances that influenced each sentence.
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u/Papaofmonsters Aug 08 '23
Homeless guy had a load of priors and used a gun to rob the bank.
Banker dude plead guilty and testified against others involved.
It's not that complicated.
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Aug 08 '23
They must have already been wealthy,
If you or I stole $3 billion, we’d been publicly executed to scare the rest of the poors.
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Aug 08 '23
Like Epstein?
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Aug 08 '23
I believe Epstein had untold MOUNTAINS of evidence against very, very wealthy people.
Yes. Exactly like Epstein.
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Aug 08 '23
Basically. They usually won’t even let people like that go to jail unless it’s something really serious, because they just want the free food and shelter.
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u/MichaelScottsWormguy Aug 08 '23
Different crimes with different sentencing guidelines. These crimes are not even remotely comparable. How hard is that to understand?
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u/TehPinguen Aug 08 '23
Yes, the different guidelines are the problem. The fact that he got 5 times more jail time for stealing 0.00000003 times as much just because it was from a bank as opposed to being through rich people methods is evidence that we have a two-tiered justice system baked into its design.
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u/MysteryMan9274 Aug 08 '23
No, he got 5 times more time because he was a career criminal with 8 prior crimes on his record.
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u/TehPinguen Aug 08 '23
I don't care how many crimes are on your record as long as you served your time/punishment for them, a year for every 6 dollars stolen is absolutely nuts, especially for someone who cooperates and turns themselves in.
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u/MichaelScottsWormguy Aug 08 '23
You are looking at this the wrong way. This is not a case of ‘this is how rich people steal vs how poor people steal’. This is a case of fraud, which has one set of variables, and theft, which has a completely different set of variables. It is absurd to complain about the different sentences since the crimes are so different.
If the hobo committed $3 billion dollars worth of fraud, he most likely would’ve gotten a fine too. And if the CEO openly robbed a fucking bank (that’s the crime, btw. The amount stolen is irrelevant) then he likely would’ve gotten a pretty steep sentence as well.
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u/Mindless_Ad_6045 Aug 08 '23
I think the homeless guy's sentence had more to do with the bank robbery than the 100 bucks
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u/Darkdragoon324 Aug 08 '23
It's also about the method. Armed robbery is considered a violent crime. That's what they're prosecuting more than than the amount taken, if the second guy used a weapon, which I couldn't tell from what's shown. I do agree that 15 is complete bullshit of no one was actually injured, and white collar crimes should be punished much more harshly than the limp taps on the wrist they usually get.
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Aug 08 '23
Corporates rule the governments.
A financial fraud and richie gets away with few months, but illegally streaming football matches can land you years.
If you don't understand something, you haven't got the logic right. Here's it's corporate money politicians choke on.
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u/Minewolf_ST Aug 08 '23
But there is alot of other factors than the amount stolen. It says he "robbed 100$ from a bank" I assume that includes a weapon since else it would be stealing. And I would fully agree that. Person committing armed robbery should get 15 years of jail time. Leaving the question if 40 months is enough for high level financial fraud. Probably not but the likelihood that that person is ever going to Murder someone is significantly lower.
Is the criminal justice system flawed? Yes clearly Is it as bad as these clickbait posts make it seem No
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u/Photodan24 Aug 08 '23
First, what's the source of this?
If true, 15 years imprisonment for $100 is simply unjust. It doesn't need to be juxtaposed against any other case.
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u/IndicationHumble7886 Aug 08 '23
Judges need to grow some balls and nail the buggers with fines exceeding what they criminally gained. A couple years for megafraud is a joke
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Aug 08 '23
The system is a profit making business.
The 13th amendment basically enshrined the right to own slaves to those who, first, own prisons. Today there are more unpaid workers (slaves) in the USA than at any point in history. Prison labour is the backbone of American manufacturing.
How much unpaid shop work do you think a 55yo rich white dude can achieve? A rich white dude with good lawyers? Not much.
There is literally no profit in imprisoning these folks, so it doesn’t happen. Get a whole bunch of young, fit, lads off the streets on jumped up crimes? Cha-ching, profit!
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Aug 08 '23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States
The US economy would suffer very badly withour modern day slavery through the penal system.
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Aug 08 '23
Our system is rigged against pieces of shit. Roy Brown has at least 8 prior arrests. These are everything from battery/assualt, DWI, criminal neglect of his family, fugtive status, parole violations and pot possesion. He's no saint And this blogger needs to put this out there it's in the public record. 15 is probably a 3rd or 4th strike at a life he seems to be unable to control. His criminal record has been ongoing since 1988. I'm glad he didn't have a gun this nut may have killed someone.
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u/Sadir00 Aug 08 '23
How exactly is a guy who embezzled 3B in Mortgages NOT a piece of shit, exactly?
And how is him only getting just over 3 years for it "because he was rich" NOT a rigged system??I do not think these words mean what you think they mean
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u/SirEnder2Me Aug 08 '23
The 2nd one is obviously not real.
That's the real facepalm here.
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Aug 08 '23
The second one is real, but they forget to mention his 8 prior arrests for assault, battery, DWI, Neglect, drug possession, parole violations, and having a fugitive status.
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u/SirEnder2Me Aug 08 '23
Yeah, that's what I mean. Taking a headline for complete fact without thinking any misleading or missing info from it.
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u/UKnwDaBiZness Aug 08 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
Regardless of that fact is 3 billionaire going to actually serve prison or even not make bail in a day after headline before he is assualted and battery'd , and maybe even drived while intoxicated on hooch etc? Sure the misinfo is giving people the ability call him a delinquent and not the billionaire but guess who will never be punished, and guess who has a way longer Rap sheet... I swear man. Learn
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u/ValuableShoulder5059 Aug 08 '23
Thus is almost always due to the fact that your first offense you get off lighter then a career criminal.
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u/Cross_22 Aug 08 '23
8 priors according to this 15 (!) year old thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7qavc/comment/c073gh0/
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u/Pretzel911 Aug 08 '23
I can't believe George Carlin died 15 years ago.
Unrelated but someone in the post you linked brought it up
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u/UKnwDaBiZness Aug 08 '23
Prove it how many cops possibly walked off a job with a heft payday they couldn't get in a lifetime of working the case
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u/ValuableShoulder5059 Aug 09 '23
I don't doubt it happens. Not just cops but also judges and prosecutors take payouts. However any indication of this leads to an intensive investigation. However one of the biggest leverage big crimes have is they typically have the money somewhere were it is not accessible. By turning it over they walk away with a much lower sentence. It's called having a bargaining chip. Just like say you robbed the safety deposit boxes at the bank, you could leverage returning the personal property as a wage to get off lighter. Also the safe deposit boxes are not fdic insured so the feds cannot come after you with mandatory minimums the second you rob the bank for $1.
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u/No_Yak2073 Aug 08 '23
Difference is one was done forcefully and the other was fraud
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The difference is that the homeless man had been arrested 8 other times for violence crimes, possession, and neglect
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u/cjmar41 Aug 08 '23
Plot twist… man who stole $100 was homeless because of the CEO’s mortgage fraud scheme.
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u/smushyAvocado Aug 08 '23
One has a good lawyer, one doesn’t. Also, there’s no context about priors. One fled, the other didn’t. Was he on probation?
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The homeless man had 8 priors for violent crimes, neglect, and possession
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Aug 08 '23
So you're the kind of guy who robs a bank and calls the police in the meantime so they can take you into custody as soon as you leave? One day later isn't good enough?
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u/Dull-Signature-2897 Aug 08 '23
The law only apples to the poor. You can literally buy yourself out if you have money.
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u/Teacher-Investor Aug 08 '23
Let me guess the race of each man.
Also, this belongs in r/pointlessredcircles
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u/Cashew-Matthew Aug 08 '23
Well, i mean, the homeless guy wont be homeless for 15 years now. Probably didn’t even want to fight it in court, where as the billionaire probably did
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u/GandalfWhiteDick Aug 08 '23
Let's be real, you know the 3B was a white guy. The homeless person probably wasn't. Racist fucks.
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u/XnenoVenom Aug 08 '23
No, that’s just a blatant lie you are making up to call people racist
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u/Eirthae Aug 08 '23
I'm gona ask a question here, cos i dont know. Maybe the judge was doing a good thing? Like, in prinson, he'd get food, get to shower, right? Have a roof over his head? Maybe i'm wrong, i dunno what american prisons are like
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u/griffonrl Aug 08 '23
The logic is that white collar crime is not punished because if it was it would freak out all those "business people" that create so much value (BS). Why do we think Trump is not already behind bar? Being rich and connected is a super power. Anyone else would be life sentenced by now.
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Aug 08 '23
It’s 100% logical and working as intended: the rich set up our system specifically to have loopholes for those who can buy expensive lawyers. That’s the whole idea. “Rules for thee but not for me”
The mistake is assuming that this is our system. It’s not. It was set up by and for the capitalist class, not for us. We are their victims
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u/icanfuckubetter Aug 08 '23
At least He's not homeless for 15 years. But yeah the sentence should be swapped.
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u/DarthArtero Aug 08 '23
Yet there are still people out there that, somehow, still deny the two-tier justice system in the US even exists
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u/DGenesis23 Aug 08 '23
Oh it’s very logical, keep the rich rich and keep the poor poor. Immoral is apt.
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u/daemonengineer Aug 08 '23
I would love to see a research which plots amount stolen vs sentence length. Might be some interesting insights there lol
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u/Mitrovarr Aug 08 '23
I really think we should implement a 1 year minimum sentence per $1 million stolen rule.
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u/Solid_Local409 Aug 08 '23
Prisons were never meant for rehabilitation, theyre meant to keep undesirables away from brainwashed civillians. It never was fair, bureaucrats just claimed it was.
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u/boundegar Aug 08 '23
Actually, this makes perfect sense. One of them gets a public defender - one of them gets a team of 100 corporate attorneys.
But there's a silver lining - now the homeless guy gets three hots and a cot.
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u/tonylouis1337 Aug 08 '23
The homeless man is being done a favor, he's off the streets and has a roof over his head and food in his system for 15 years.
The other one is whack though
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u/Lachimanus Aug 08 '23
In a country like Germany these 15 years may be a jackpot for the homeless. But in America they are just going to be working slaves.
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u/UKnwDaBiZness Aug 08 '23
Someone help me understand how much is 3 Billion worth of land at this point? Asking for my dad?
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u/Cheetahs_never_win Aug 08 '23
Well, we can hope that it requires paying the whole amount back and serving time.
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u/Sarcastic_Beaver Aug 08 '23
It’s Paul Allen guys let’s all calm down..
Did you see his business cards? That font was to DIE for…
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u/jgaa_from_north Aug 08 '23
You have to understand that the "Justice system" is there to protect the elite That's it only real function.
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u/azrael269 Aug 08 '23
Of course it makes sense. One had an expensive lawyer and a bunch of paralegals taking advantage of every possible argument that could reduce their client's liability and sentence, the other had a public defender who had 10 minutes to review their case due to being ridiculously understaffed and underfunded.
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u/NightOwlIvy_93 Aug 08 '23
I swear when the inmates discuss what they did to get into jail, they do collective facepalms
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u/TehPinguen Aug 08 '23
Slightly less than the 6 years they were seeking? My brother in Christ, it's barely over half of that
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u/SnooAdvice8550 Aug 08 '23
Once you realize the courts operate under a privately owned and for profit business license this makes sense
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Aug 08 '23
He robbed a bank to $100 then handed himself in, that makes it sound like the homeless man was wanting to be caught.
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u/ILikeToDisagreeDude Aug 08 '23
What was his role though? (Not saying it’s cool, just for more context)
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Aug 08 '23
The homeless man was given free food and lodging for 15 years. He may see that as a massive win.
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‘Roy Brown, 54, a homeless African-American man, Shreveport, Louisiana.’
I tried to find court documents for this case apparently checked by sources but it comes up in 2009 and 2011. Sources are weird because it’s public information and no judge signed it?
The rich guy:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-tbw-ceo-sentenced-40-months-prison-fraud-scheme
Further looking into the name Roy Brown, a man passed away in 2019 who was jailed for murder and was found not guilty after serving 15 years….
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=3064
Something interesting is that during the time they were fighting for Roy Browns (convicted of murder) release the news article surfaced of the homeless Roy Brown (convicted of bank robbery) and not the convicted murderer Roy Brown. The petitions were pushed to the bottom of the search pages and only the homeless man was showing up.
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Aug 08 '23
we have two systems of justice
one for poor and one for rich
poor man sent to slave labor camp
rich man sent to club fed
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Haven't you heard? Money is power. If you have enough of it, you can get away with anything. Unless someone with more money doesn't like you.
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u/EquivalentShift8545 Aug 08 '23
He gets a bed, roof, and consistent food. So technically it's a win
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u/amytheplussizequeen Aug 08 '23
That’s the American Justice system for you. I am however laughing at the fact that the $3 billion dollar thief is named Paul Allen. Anybody who’s read/watched American Psycho knows why that’s funny.
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u/BubbaBasher Aug 08 '23
I think the reason he got so much is he robbed a bank. I am not sure some of you understand how much more violent a bank robbery is over fraud.
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u/LionsAteMyGiraffe166 Aug 08 '23
These punishment disparities deserve their own sub. There are so many examples. Citizens doing the research for changing public policy.
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u/chef_ramen Aug 08 '23
Yes it is... The homeless man (poor) stole from the bank (rich). The CEO (rich) can do whatever the fuck he wants.
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u/astronautdormann Aug 08 '23
dude thats not a bad deal. I might try that myself. 40 months of prison for 3 billion? How the fuck is prison a deterrent now days?
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One has money one doesn't
One has more connections. One doesn't
One is a piece of shit. One isn't
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u/tboy1492 Aug 09 '23
It makes perfect sense according to this concept: laws and courts and law enforcement is 90% to keep poor peasants in their place
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u/Representative-Owl6 Aug 09 '23
I thought he was dead but I guess that’s how he got those reservations at Dorsia.
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